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What happens to the readings when I ask repeatdly about one subject? 36.1.3.4.5

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Hi all!
Happy Tuesday!
I have the feeling that the readings that I get fron Yi change somehow when I ask too much about something. I know that it’s totally a wrong idea to do so, but sometimes I euther fet confused or I guess I can’t stop myself :/.

So today I asked Yi: What happens to the readings when I ask repeatdly about ine subject? Yi’s answer: Hexagram 36.1.3.4.5 changing to 45.

I understand at first glance that Yi is telling me that he goes ‘off’ on me when I act like that. I don’t get why all the lines guves me the related Hexagram of 45... Any ideas?

Thank you so much for your kind help!!
 

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You get confused - like repeatedly asking the Tarot or similar.
 

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Yes, I so get confused. Thank you becalm!
Even with this hexagram I’m confused. I don’t know what to make of so many changing lines.
The related hexagram, maybe is sayin to gather myself?
 

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This reading could probably be pored over for ages...

At first glance, 36 - what happens to the readings when you ask repeatedly? They hide their brightness. The trigrams are earth (upper) and fire (lower) - literally earth covering light. In the story behind 36, Prince Ji, a sane and sensible fellow...I'll just quote from Hilary's book:

In the last days of the Shang dynasty as it fell into corruption, Prince Ji was one of the very few virtuous men remaining at court. Remonstrating with the ruler would invite brutal retributions; to flee would be a shameful desertion. The story goes that once, the king and his entourage were so drunk they literally didn’t know what day it was. Messengers were sent to ask Ji. Rather than reveal himself as the only one who knew, he feigned drunkenness and madness. In this way he was able to survive through the last days of Shang without compromising his principles by cooperating with the regime. [...] [Y]ou stay true to the light and keep it burning in these hard times by hiding it away.
45 - it's certainly a gathering or collection of readings, isn't it? I know from personal experience, and it sounds like you've found out, that some of those end up with Yi saying things that have nothing to do with your question directly. Have you seen 33 come up? I have. Yi's trying to say withdraw from this for now, take a break, this isn't accomplishing anything, come back later. More readings will only get us deeper in a hole, not teach us something.

Also about 45 - you are "using great sacrificial animals" (from 45's oracle text), making a big investment in the subject - repeated questions aren't a good idea but they do prove you care, this is important to you. But (adding this after typing the last paragraph down below), quantity isn't quality. 45 calls for your best sacrifice, your greatest sacrificial animals - not bunches of whatever's easiest to spare.

Maybe also think about it from the point of view of what might be describing or talking to you, and what might be Yi describing or talking about itself. Your question includes both. As I said 45 could be the collection of readings but also you making a big investment. 36 could be the light of Yi's message perhaps being hidden (but still there), and maybe you're being described as - sorry, but from personal experience :eek: - one of the slightly less-than-sane court people? I know I feel unmoored in situations where I end up casting many readings.

I don't have ideas about the lines (or time now to think about them) - one quick and very guess-y thing for line 1 is the rather dour determination it describes. The first line position can describe the beginnings of something. How do these multiple reading situations start? Probably when you cast a reading about an important subject and don't understand it right away (and maybe you feel you have to, because it's important). So what do you do then? You're wounded, your wings droop in exhausted futility, you fly away - but then you don't eat for three days (not literally I hope) - you cast more readings instead, because you have "a direction to go" (a question that needs answering), and you know Yi has an answer if only you can find it ("those in authority have something to say")?

The beginning of line 1 (maybe the whole thing, but the beginning sticks out to me) might also be Yi describing itself? You haven't understood your first reading, so now you've cast a second one...Yi can see where this is headed, so its wings droop in resignation, it flies away, hides its brightness, maybe to encourage you to take more time to think?

Here's something else Hilary says in her commentary:
‘Brightness Hidden’ also means ‘Brightness Wounded’. Since others do not share your standards or insight, it would be dangerous to let the light of your character shine out freely. Perhaps you have been injured; perhaps you fear injury. Yet you cannot, or will not, leave the situation in search of a stronger position. Instead, you stay true to the light and keep it burning in these hard times by hiding it away.
I'm definitely not sure about this, but I wonder if that describes "what happens to the readings," how Yi reacts? It knows it's given you its best answer. It's not going to compromise its standards just in order to give you something you understand right away - what kind of oracle would that be? It could be the reason you don't understand is because Yi's telling you something you wouldn't have thought of yourself - which is exactly when you need it most, but it's also the hardest to grasp.

Which makes me think of something else for 45 - a shared investment, where everyone brings their best. Yi's giving you its best, but you might have to make a similar investment and sacrifice, not of more questions but of time, thought, etc.
 

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I would journal the results down. This is what I do. I am a tarot reader and I read monthly, depending on the question. I remember I was obsessed over a situation and I casted the I ching a bunch of times in a months time or so. But the first time I casted it, I feel is the one that counts, unless the situation changes or a lot of time has passed.
 

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Wow! I’m absolutely amazed by your words, Liselle! Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart!

You are so right! Your interpretation feels so on point. More than that, I will take your interpretation with me in my everyday life. It can so apply to everithing we do. Wow, I don’t even have words to thank you for taking your time to answer, I feel very thankful and humbled.

I do feel that when I don’t understand a reading, I have to recast again to see if I can get a better grasp of the answer. And it does seem that the more important, or more feelings are involved in the question, the less I understand the answer.

I have had castings that were so exact (I need to write those here on clarity, not sure where), that it’s mind blowing. The questions were about simple everyday life happening, nothing big or that would involve feelings, but nonetheless, had a certain grade of importance for me. Ir’s very interesting that in those cases, my feelings were not involved, so I could actually think clearly, and I could understand easily the answers.
But when my feelings are involved, some of my answers confuse me so much, to the point of not understanding one thing, and that is when I start casting and casting, to see if I can get an answer that I can understand.

Your interpretation has given me light, I really have to stop and really meditate in Yi’s answer when I don’t understand, Take it easy, instead of going all desperated!

Thank you so much again, Liselle!!!
 

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Thank you, Hellomoon!
I really have to do that, it would be easier for me to understand something, if I write it down, to see the difference, and specially to learn.

Thank you for your advise!!
 

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Thank you, Hellomoon!
I really have to do that, it would be easier for me to understand something, if I write it down, to see the difference, and specially to learn.

Thank you for your advise!!
 

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Thanks HappyHeart. Inspired by your question, I also asked. How do you answer to me, Yi, when I ask the way I do (quite many times)? The answer was: 8.5 to 2. I can't force anything, that's what I understood for me.
So it's quite personal.
 

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I am not a big fan of either the ask-many-questions-at-the-same-time or the ask-the-same-thing-over-and-over approaches.

First, and most importantly, when people do this I think they are not taking the time to understand or explore what the Yi is really saying or advising. If you really believe that the Yi is capable of giving you good advice, then I think it's worth giving it the respect, time and attention it deserves to actually understand and listen to its advice - which might mean spending more than a few moments (or seconds!) with a reading before moving on to the next stimulating thing.

I believe too that when people take a rapid-fire approach to inquiring, they are often fishing for an answer: so, question 1 doesn't give you a response you like, so on to question 2, ... and then on to questions 3, 4, 5 ... and finally you get to question 12, and 'ah yes, the Yi has given me the advice I was seeking!'

Similarly, people also might be looking for an excuse to not do what the Yi is advising. So, "should I leave my violent, abusive mate? The first 12 answers say, "yes dummy, what part of 'abuse' and 'get out of there' don't you understand? But on this 13th answer, you get 'perseverance furthers' and you say, 'see, I knew all along that we are destined to be together!'

And similarly, if you do a dozen readings on basically the same question or topic, you can then pick from a third of the hexagrams in the Yi and craft an answer that is similar in meaning and depth to an all-you-can-eat-buffet, so: Line 4.5 plus a bit of hex. 56 (as interpreted by Smith) for the entree, then lines 14.5 (interpreted by Jones) and 15.7 for the soup and salad, and finally hex. 56 and line 4.6 (interpreted by Miller) for dessert! And wasn't that a fine meal we just gulped down - but why can't I remember what I actually ate or how it tasted, or why we came here in the first place?

So, my general advice - and there are always exceptions to the rule - is to ask a well-crafted question and then take some time - say a day or two, or three, or a week or two (or, gasp! more?) - to understand what the response is saying to you.

Best, David.
 

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I believe too that when people take a rapid-fire approach to inquiring, they are often fishing for an answer: so, question 1 doesn't give you a response you like, so on to question 2, ... and then on to questions 3, 4, 5 ... and finally you get to question 12, and 'ah yes, the Yi has given me the advice I was seeking!'

Similarly, people also might be looking for an excuse to not do what the Yi is advising. So, "should I leave my violent, abusive mate? The first 12 answers say, "yes dummy, what part of 'abuse' and 'get out of there' don't you understand? But on this 13th answer, you get 'perseverance furthers' and you say, 'see, I knew all along that we are destined to be together!'

And similarly, if you do a dozen readings on basically the same question or topic, you can then pick from a third of the hexagrams in the Yi and craft an answer that is similar in meaning and depth to an all-you-can-eat-buffet, so: Line 4.5 plus a bit of hex. 56 (as interpreted by Smith) for the entree, then lines 14.5 (interpreted by Jones) and 15.7 for the soup and salad, and finally hex. 56 and line 4.6 (interpreted by Miller) for dessert! And wasn't that a fine meal we just gulped down - but why can't I remember what I actually ate or how it tasted, or why we came here in the first place?

So, my general advice - and there are always exceptions to the rule - is to ask a well-crafted question and then take some time - say a day or two, or three, or a week or two (or, gasp! more?) - to understand what the response is saying to you.

Best, David.
David, thank you so very much for your wonderful insight!

I found it to be so truthful and amazing.

I really like the way you explained it, I love the analogy of the ‘all you can eat buffet’!
It’s really easy to craft a reading from several casts that suits, choosing only the ‘nice ones’, instead of seeing things objectively, and reading/interpreting correctly Yi’s answers.

Thank you so much for sharing your time and wisdom, I really appreciatte it!!
 

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This is quite true, - to me it often takes quite a Long time really to understand what the Yi is telling me. On the other hand, I can be rather quick - ask a lot of questions at one, look at a Situation from many different sides, then it is a language game - getting different answers when slightly changing the text of the question, or going a way with the Yi. Then a reading can be quite playful. Sometimes enlightening, - more often, though, rather confusing, just as you described it. I think I should take more time, in general. There is one aspect: asking, questionning, reading, this might as well be doubting. I never ever ask about my partner, and I haven't ever. When I love, when I feel allright, I don't ask, I wouldn't. There are some - quite few - People I don't ask about either, some Close friends and relatives. I wouldn't either ask about job interviews or other Business meetings - not before, first I have to be open to meet and greet People, and not as long no offer has been made. Then I'd ask (and, hopefully, understand the answers I get). I do ask relationship questions - the more insecure I get, the more often. It seems to me that the Yi is a Connection, and so I ask, when I feel disconnected. When I'm disconnected, things won't go that well, obviously, whatever a reading turns out, probably whatever I do or don't do after a reading. For me, it is a big difference just to contact someone, or first to ask the Yi, wait for a positive Response, and then contact someone. For example. So I wish the Yi will teach me something about being connected (and about authority as well, about freedom, about trust). Well, this might be my door, and it might well be all about Hexagram 8 issues.Brightness Hiding, a different story. But it is always interesting to think about your favorite questions - the ones you tend to repeat.
 

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