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what if I go to the vaccine tomorrow ? corruption changed with 6th line into pushing upward: 18,6 -> 46

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HI, i just asked that question because I am hesitating.
Made myself an appointment for first vaccination.
But I talked to a friend, another meditator and he asked me why I do it.
ups.
Well, I did not say that I consider myself on the rational side and thinking there is no way to avoid it and the more get it the better. what health organisation dictate.
He said he does not think there is a need for vaccination, it could be worse for the body if one does it.
Would I do it for others or for myself? So, would I do it for expectations and in order to visit those people who would not welcome me otherwise and which I maybe dont really need?
Or would I do it because I am in fear?

Hm, I thought I would do it because I was responsible in my attitude.

But he really made me think. Its as well about his influence on me.

I have this month available, later I will go work on farms where I wont need the vaccination and I will be alone, not in danger.

Later on I wont be in between masses as well.

But anyway...

what did ching mean?
read other questions with this result, but mh?

thanks for an support friends
 

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what if I go to the vaccine tomorrow ? corruption changed 18.6 -> 46

Its ... about his influence on me ....

18's upper trigram (three line figure) is Mountain. Here, it represents your friend - he is closed off to the idea of a vaccine; for him all considerations about this have stopped.

The lower trigram is Wind. It is about you. Wind explores and looks at many possibilites - that will help you arrive at a decsion. But here you are undecided.

With the upper moving line, 18 changes to 46, and the upper trigam is Earth: it is about you being caring and being 'down-to-Earth' about your decision. Up until now, your thinking has been in sync with this: being rational, getting vaccinated because that helps all of us, and wanting to be responsible.

Line 18.6 reads 'Serving neither king nor lord' - it suggests that you do not have to do what your friend wants, that you can do what you want; you don't have to explain yourself to him - he is not your king and you are not his servant.

And what I think (outside of the Yi): Personally, I encourage you to get vaccinated. There is a lot of fear and disinformation out there. But myself and many other people I know have gotten vaccinated and no bad stuff has happended to any of us because of it!

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hi there! I did some vaccine readings for myself at well. not a bad idea at all, a number of people here have actually.

the line you received is very positive in this context I think. I read this line as being about taking charge and doing what needs to be done, doubts and all. It also asks you to think about who you’re serving, so to speak. I think if you’re doing something for a good purpose or from your heart or instinct, this is a very good line. 46 has tended to be a message of moving forward. It’s not the last step and you might not know all the future steps but this is at least a step forward. As mentioned in the post above, line 6 definitely says not to be bossed around or swayed too much, but really I think it just means you want to serve your higher self.

in many ways, vaccination is this type of decision right now. no matter what you choose, there will be people who disagree. what does your intuition tells you? to what/whom are you responsible? that is what the line is sharing with you I think.

will be interested to hear what others say!

(on a personal note, I have a very sensitive body and I received two shots of Moderna with no side effects really at all. I still mask and distance because it’s possible to get COVID but knowing that the vaccines do prevent death and hospitalization is honestly comforting given how virulent Delta is. Vermont is the state with the highest vaccination rate here in the U.S. - over 80% - and this week, as cases and deaths soar, Vermont has had zero deaths. In these wild times, that might be the most we can hope for. Good luck with your decision!)
 

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Hi redoleander!

at the moment I was writing a friend in canada how stupid I think those anti vaccine videos are he got and sent me over.
ahhh, 6 doctors in a zoom meeting and one suggesting his vaccinated patients will die in 3 years and have to mourn a loss of health since


argh. I really did not want to get between the chairs.


thanks for the other response and the introduction, which states that you will argue for something.

I did not ask for that, therefore I wont read the whole thing because I only wanted responses to the ching.

this is not about opinions
 

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i my german ching book the text sound different for me.
18 is "making it whole again"... so wonder how I came into such a bad state?

there mst have been desinterest in the past and thats why I am where I am. But I could get over it. its a good time to change to the better.

well, actually I did not sleep a lot.

I dont like to argue.

if I postpone then because I fel bad in m general health at the moment.

And I will be caring for my self the upcoming month and not be with many people, just nearly alone. So I wont be in danger and as well not be a danger to others.

then I might rethink.

if so.

I had thought about it as just another appointment like going to repair my bike.
But maybe I need some time.

greetings
 

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thanks for the other response and the introduction, which states that you will argue for something. I did not ask for that,
I hope you understand, I did respond to your reading, And, I added a paragraph at end of what I thought, but you can keep those separate, if you don't want to read my short opinion.
 
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Strictly from an I Ching point of view:

what if I go to the vaccine tomorrow? 18.6 > 46
Line 18.6 retires from public life and doesn't engange in worldly affairs.
So either don't go tomorrow (specifically tomorrow).
Or, if you go, you'll need to retire from public life (unwell because of side effects?).
 

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Line 18.6 retires from public life and doesn't engange in worldly affairs.

Not serving sovereign or noble. Of higher worth is one’s service - reads one translation; another says:

Serving neither king nor lord. High reward for service.

Neither says anything about retiring. It says that we should no longer serve a king. We can make our own choices and select our own 'higher' path.

I stayed home for one day after getting vaccinated and watched videos and ate Chinese take-out. I'd hardly call that 'retiring'.
 
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The 'king' signifies authorities, government.
18.6 clearly advises to not serve or follow what authorities say.
(At least not 'tomorrow'.)
 

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Oh My Goodness.

I was about to say to Deva that no one here is going to say don't go for the vaccine whatever they thought as that would be irresponsible and potentially cost many lives.

But someone just has. I'm concerned about that.


Strictly from an I Ching point of view:

what if I go to the vaccine tomorrow? 18.6 > 46
Line 18.6 retires from public life and doesn't engange in worldly affairs.
So either don't go tomorrow (specifically tomorrow).
Or, if you go, you'll need to retire from public life (unwell because of side effects?).



Hmmm that interpretation isn't strictly from an I Ching POV since we do not know who the kings and lords are here. You don't know if that's the government (which you are assuming) or the friends and their info. Both are authorities for Deva.

I'd also say Deva no one can actually tell you as they don't know and that this or any other answer doesn't categorically tell you what to do. If you are sure what it's saying that's another matter. Here, as with any I Ching interpretation you will only get a person's subjective interpretation because we are humans not robots.




I only wanted responses to the ching.

That doesn't happen, it isn't ever possible to give only what the I Ching says since all answers are interpreted through human being not robots. So if you imagine you can get an answer that involves no human processing or no human input or indeed no human responsibility (since how we answer carries some responsibility) then this is not the forum for you and probably the I Ching is not for you.



18.6 is handing the question back to you. Look at what the I Ching says if you want to know what it says. That is look at the translation. Here is Hilary's from wiki

'No business with kings and lords,
Honouring what is highest is your business.'

There, that is what the I Ching says. If you don't want any opinion it's your job to read those words and interpret then.

The answer seems to tell you you don't need to follow other's views or examples here. So there's zero basis for saying it means 'don't get the vaccine' because the king is the government since you'd not get it because of following your friend or the false information/ propaganda on the internet where the Dr says we will all die in 3 years all of which you have recently appointed as 'authoritiies' . I mean come on. Are you going to believe the extensive research from all the world's leading scientists OR are you going to believe some random videos of so called drs.


at the moment I was writing a friend in canada how stupid I think those anti vaccine videos are he got and sent me over.
ahhh, 6 doctors in a zoom meeting and one suggesting his vaccinated patients will die in 3 years and have to mourn a loss of health since

Better start writing my will. (Had both vaccines, little side effects and don't believe the day it's done on has any effect whatsoever unless you are highly superstitious)

Back to 18.6 it also doesn't tell you to go ahead and follow government's advice either because it's telling you to hold to your own counsel. To be clear, this line is very clear isn't it ? I don't think it gets much clearer than this in telling you to make your own mind up without worrying about other authorities. You will have to make a choice here, either to have it or not to have it and either way there will be authorities with advice. It seems to me you were set to go ahead with your own plan till your interfering friend butted in.

Also I do think to vaccinate or not has some connection to one's own relationship to death. I think older people find the choice easier because they have less time left anyway and if they have to die there are better ways than Covid which I understand is a dreadful way to die. I do understand that the younger you are the less one might be inclined vaccinate because of long term effects/fertility/ that you are less likely to be severely ill if you do get it.

18 does remind me of that relationship to our own death. So what's yours ?


The 'king' signifies authorities, government.
18.6 clearly advises to not serve or follow what authorities say.
(At least not 'tomorrow'.)

Well the day of the vaccine has nothing to do with anything does it.

And 'the king' actually can refer to any authority one has appointed, it doesn't have to be the government. The authority here could well be the friend since deva was going ahead using her own judgment until the friend started using persuasion.

All we can do is leave it up to the individual and that is precisely what the I Ching says, it says 'you decide'.



I'd personally think the 'kings and lords' were the friends since you were about to do your own thing until they decided to offer you bad advice.
 
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well thanks for all the comments.
I like the controversity and prefer it to be open.

I mean thanks.

I have another appointment in monday morning for a doctor because of my shoulderproblem and fasziitis.
I cannot wait another 3 weeks for another one in case I wold feel sick tomorrow.
So I cannot take the risk to get vaccine this evening.
Maybe next weekend.
But this will be decided later.
Now I did not only cast another reading

"what if..." to the contrary and found it fitting.

but I will make the recommended call if I cannot come. Because the vaccine is expensive. The sooner the better. so 4 hours to find another person filling the gap.
 

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I now cancelled the appointment.
Its mostly because of my shoulderproblem.
I have been waiting for the appointment tommorrow mornig siince weeks and hope he will be able to help me. As well with my plantarfasziitis.
This is much more a hurry than the vaccine.
because I wont safe lifes at the moment with that. I would only risk my own health.


Ifs funny how quick people jump to assumptions:
which people or goverment is whatever for me.
Maybe you should look in the mirror before judging about people you dont know in any way.

Being nice with one friend who reveals his opinion to me
and writing another a harshjudgement because he tries to brainwash me into antivaccine...
ah, maybe I jumped to fast.

In his life those antivaccine are the most best people. In my contry for my thinking its the opposite, but as well a lot ofthose which I liked before and valued embarrassed me with this point of view.
But well.
I have been antivaccine before. Before the virus.

well, my family is protected, except my children, bt as soon as its recommended I guess they will get the vaccine.

For me... well I still can wait. I am not high risk and stuff.

I am just ill with my shoulder and tomorrow I hope I canget help with that.
 

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Ifs funny how quick people jump to assumptions:
which people or goverment is whatever for me.
Maybe you should look in the mirror before judging about people you dont know in any way.


Is English your second language ? It's just you don't seem to understand what has been written

You wrote

'which people or government is whatever for me'

The whole point of this answer is we don't know it's up to you to decide. And after all you did ask us for our view on the reading so don't complain when you get views on the answer.




What do you think it means ? You seem very critical of respondents here but offer nothing yourself. Your task is to decide who is the authority Yi is saying to disregard ? Is it one, is it both ? No one can do that for you they can only explain their view of the line. The answer is not to go running off not having understood this thread to post another thread. Especially since Yi told you here to make your own choice how is starting another thread on it going to help. No one can tell you what to do.

For continuity here is the next thread on the topic






There's always the option of a refund if responses don't suit you
 
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