What's behind the Harvest Festival shooting? 43.2.3.5>51

[thisismybody]

Line 2
'Alarmed, calling out.
Evening and night, bearing arms
Do not fear.'

Line 3
'Vigour in the cheekbones means a pitfall.
Noble one decides, decides.
Goes on alone, meets the rain,
And is indignant as if she were soaked through.
Not a mistake.'

Line 5
'Amaranth on high ground.
Decide, decide.
Move to the centre, no mistake.'

Deciding [due to] Shock. Shocking event causes fear and panic. Yet, the lines of 43 offer "do not fear."

I believe we're at a critical transition point in which humanity is set to leap into the next phase of our spiritual evolution. Ascension. Some really have become conscious of our oneness with all creation. I'm now reading the Law of One, material gained through channeling with Ra in the early 80s. Ra terms this leap we are poised to make to the 4th density "harvest." I've been deep into these books over these past few days, so when I heard of this event last night, I was struck in a bit of awe, but also paradoxically not surprised by the festival name and that the shooting started during the final act and the final song. In the same frame and tempo as what I've been reading states. I believe we're on the verge of a great transition, and it's imperative we make a choice.

Saturday, when I first really dug into the material, I noted something that was said about this choice--that we all must choose, but it's not like saying out loud, "I choose this." It's deeper, reflected in truth in our actions and way of moving through the world. All 3 lines of 43 seem to me to be about choice.

Such as... alarmed...but do not fear. Choose love. "Noble one decides, decides. Goes alone. Meets the rain." Noble one chooses and the path is one of release. Maybe this is about being in harmony with our deepest Tao, whatever that is and whomever we are. Finally, "decide, decide. Move to the center"...

I'm remind of something in Jean Shinoda Bolen's book on Tao and Synchronicity in which she uses some of Castaneda's material about Tao and the million paths. Interestingly, I thought about this most of yesterday night before the event. That there are a "million paths..." but that one must choose one with heart. From Castaneda:

"Anything is one of a million paths. Therefore you must always keep in mind that a path is only a path; if you feel you should not follow it, you must not stay with it under any conditions. To have such clarity you must lead a disciplined life. Only then will you know that any path is only a path and there is no affront, to oneself or to others, in dropping it if that is what your heart tells you to do. But your decision to keep on the path or to leave it must be free of fear or ambition. I warn you. Look at every path closely and deliberately. Try it as many times as you think necessary.

This question is one that only a very old man asks. Does this path have a heart? All paths are the same: they lead nowhere. They are paths going through the bush, or into the bush. In my own life I could say I have traversed long long paths, but I am not anywhere. Does this path have a heart? If it does, the path is good; if it doesn't, it is of no use. Both paths lead nowhere; but one has a heart, the other doesn't. One makes for a joyful journey; as long as you follow it, you are one with it. The other will make you curse your life. One makes you strong; the other weakens you.

Before you embark on any path ask the question: Does this path have a heart? If the answer is no, you will know it, and then you must choose another path. The trouble is nobody asks the question; and when a man finally realizes that he has taken a path without a heart, the path is ready to kill him. At that point very few men can stop to deliberate, and leave the path. A path without a heart is never enjoyable. You have to work hard even to take it. On the other hand, a path with heart is easy; it does not make you work at liking it."

43.2 corresponds with his statement about deciding whether or not to leave the path, being "free of fear or ambition." It also reflects our reaction to such events. We can remain fearful, bearing arms, due to such shock. Or, we can remember that we have a choice. That there's no need to fear--there's no death. There is only One. 43.3 and "vigor in the cheekbones" makes me think of quitting our judgments, as they're mental constructs and not truth or from the heart. The decision of "going alone, meets the rain" again reflects following our deepest Tao and intent, even when no one else agrees. Because there are a million paths and our choice is to walk one with heart. And maybe it's easy to denounce another or his choices, but there is a pitfall in this. We are not superior to any part of creation, but we can decide what's right for ourselves and ourselves alone. (This also connects to the idea in the Ra material and Buddhist beliefs that the goal is to greet everything, even attacks, with love, with the balance engendered in our knowing that there is nothing personal because there is only One.) 43.5 and the "amaranth on high ground": perhaps what we need most is on high ground, which requires a trek into our higher centers, heart, throat and 3rd eye chakras. From these centers we discern what nourishes us and is aligned with who we are and are becoming and which path is right for us. Moving to the center sounds like the Middle Way, which also reflects the idea of the sushumna or central energy channel through all of our energy centers.

All in all, Yi seems to be responding to me personally in light of the event and what I'm contemplating, while deliberating the exact issue of which path to choose in my physical and philosophical life. But I believe everything reflects this choice to us. This event is another reflection of us and what we might choose.

 

[thisismybody]

I also see that this could read about the responsible person/s... 43.2 - do not fear those who take up arms. 43.3 - the indignant find release, but finds misfortune through judgment of others. Still no mistake? 43.5 - this person must decide the fruits of this action and bear its weight. Also no mistake.

 

[Trojina]

What's behind the Harvest Festival shooting? 43.2.3.5>51



Line 2
'Alarmed, calling out.
Evening and night, bearing arms
Do not fear.'

Line 3
'Vigour in the cheekbones means a pitfall.
Noble one decides, decides.
Goes on alone, meets the rain,
And is indignant as if she were soaked through.
Not a mistake.'

Line 5
'Amaranth on high ground.
Decide, decide.
Move to the centre, no mistake.'

When you say 'what is behind the shooting ?' I assume, well you do say, you think it all has to do with some wider spiritual progression or not of the planet ? I don't see the answer that way but it is your answer so how you read it is paramount of course

43.2.3.5>51 says to me what is behind it is a person desperate to make a mark on the world. I mean he's made sure his name, his identity goes down in history. 43 to do with declaring the self, 51 obviously the explosive nature of that in this instance.

Of course line 2 is so literal how can we not take it literally. I have the feeling it almost didn't happen.

I mean look how literal this is, bearing arms, at night then 'do not fear' ???


Line 2
'Alarmed, calling out.
Evening and night, bearing arms
Do not fear.'

Could be a message to you I guess but if you asked for a picture of what happened it looks literal.

Then the other lines look to me like mounting pressure but all the time he could have not done this. That's my impression. We all have bonkers ideas, weird ideas 'I wonder what would happen if I...'. Not that weird of 'I think I may go and gun down a lot of innocent people' but what I mean is the cast gives me the impression this almost didn't happen.



Re the ascension theories, speaking very broadly they can give cause for concern in their implications.

Take that Tsunami some years back...or any huge natural disaster....then go on Ascension type websites and they will say dubious things such along the lines of 'the planet is ridding itself of outworn consciousness' and ghastly things like that as if the deaths of thousands were some kind of cleansing operation. For that reason I view the whole Ascension of the planet thing with a wary eye.

Yes consciousness may be evolving but that can never mean deaths of many people are either justifiable or okay or anything like that. Not that you are saying that of course. To be frank I'm not really at all sure what you are saying BUT the fact is this was a horrific incident that need never had happened especially if America had some responsibility with it's gun laws ! I don't think I can philosophise it away but more to the point I don't think Yi is. My sense is that Yi is talking about particular man on that particular day. To me that looks very clear.

I don't see it as an occasion to philosophise about meanings behind it at all. People have died, been injured, that's real and all that matters really.

I believe we're at a critical transition point in which humanity is set to leap into the next phase of our spiritual evolution. Ascension. Some really have become conscious of our oneness with all creation. I'm now reading the Law of One, material gained through channeling with Ra in the early 80s. Ra terms this leap we are poised to make to the 4th density "harvest." I've been deep into these books over these past few days, so when I heard of this event last night, I was struck in a bit of awe, but also paradoxically not surprised by the festival name and that the shooting started during the final act and the final song. In the same frame and tempo as what I've been reading states. I believe we're on the verge of a great transition, and it's imperative we make a choice.

Saturday, when I first really dug into the material, I noted something that was said about this choice--that we all must choose, but it's not like saying out loud, "I choose this." It's deeper, reflected in truth in our actions and way of moving through the world. All 3 lines of 43 seem to me to be about choice

What happened was a disturbed man who lived in a country with inadequate gun control laws went and ruined many lives for no good reason. I don't think it is imperative that we now all must choose anything because this happened.

 

[thisismybody]

Yes, I agree and can see 43.2 being a very literal thing. Interesting thought that you think it "almost didn't happen."

I still think the "do not fear" is important. I do believe there are powers in the world that gain due to increased climates of fear. Look at 9/11 and the amount of rights and freedoms of privacy we have away in reaction to the terror--51--inspired. 43.2 still says to me to maintain our composure in the face of lunatics and/or perhaps those committing ritualistic acts behind the scenes. I'm not sure if it's true or just a theory, but I do believe in energetic systems and paradigmatic resonance and that these events affect the psyche of our entire globe...

If it indeed was just this one man and not something more, I see how the lines spells out what you seem to be saying about making himself heard. All of it seems pretty literal. I guess I just tend to see what it reflects back in my own consciousness. So i disagree with not needing to make a choice. I think we all face the choice to drop the sacred ladle or to keep the balance. I respect and appreciate your input. Good food for thought. It really might have been just one dude hell-bent on fulfilling the tenets of 43.

 

[thisismybody]

Yes, I agree and can see 43.2 being a very literal thing. Interesting thought that you think it "almost didn't happen." I'll think in this more.

I still think the "do not fear" is important. I do believe there are powers in the world that gain due to increased climates of fear. Look at 9/11 and the amount of rights and freedoms of privacy we have away in reaction to the terror--51--inspired. 43.2 still says to me to maintain our composure in the face of lunatics and/or perhaps those committing ritualistic acts behind the scenes. I'm not sure if it's true or just a theory, but I do believe in energetic systems and paradigmatic resonance and that these events affect the psyche of our entire globe...

If it indeed was just this one man and not something more, I see how the lines spells out what you seem to be saying about making himself heard. All of it seems pretty literal. I guess I just tend to see what it reflects back in my own consciousness. So i disagree with not needing to make a choice. I think we all face the choice to drop the sacred ladle or to keep the balance. I respect and appreciate your input. Good food for thought. It really might have been just one dude hell-bent on fulfilling the tenets of 43.

 

[Liselle]

As you're both saying the two hexagrams could be seen as "declaring oneself through fear and shocks" which is a pretty good definition of terrorism.

It is interesting to think maybe the reading's saying it almost didn't happen. From what I've read, which isn't much, this took a lot of planning. He had to buy guns, modify guns, decide where/when/how, rent the hotel room, etc. It didn't seem like someone in a horrible momentary state of mind who picked up whatever weapon he had at hand, went out, and found the nearest group of people to shoot. Maybe still, even after all that preparation, he almost didn't go through with it...interesting.

I wonder if any of that had to do with him knowing/thinking it had to end with him killing himself? I could see that being a hard thing to come to grips with, and requiring a different kind of courage. Not to say that anything he did was courageous in a good way, but you'd need some twisted form of bravery to kill others and then yourself, I'd think. And courage is the opposite of fear, or being able to act in spite of fear, and as you said the reading is full of references to that (43.2 and 51).

It's interesting that as far as anyone knows so far, this person gave no clue he'd do such a thing. I was reading a bit last night, and he seems to have had no criminal record, no history of mental problems, no involvement in radical religion or politics that anyone's found, etc. etc.

And yet - I mean, I usually have no idea what 43.3's about, but - in the context of a terrorist act - could it be something like, "Words aren't enough, something has to be done" and so he went and did it. I don't know, could 43.3 mean that? No idea about the indignation and being soaked through It will help if they ever find evidence of a motive. Then we can revisit this reading.

43.5 - I've always had trouble understanding this one, too. Some interpretations say amaranth is something worth having that's in a place where it's hard to get, and you have to decide if it's worth the fuss ("I think it's important to kill people, but it's actually a lot of work for me, is it worth it, do I want to make that kind of commitment?") I suppose 43.5 could be a drug reference, but again this doesn't seem to be something done spontaneously while high on something, and they haven't found a history of mental health treatment.

In the kind of bigger picture Thisismybody's referring to, I don't know, there have been a lot of such incidents in recent times. Astrologically, there's a fair amount of Scorpio and Sagittarius influence around now (people with outer planets in those signs, generational things), and I read somewhere that thank goodness Pluto spends less-than-average time in those two signs (thus fewer-than-average people born then) or we'd tear ourselves apart.

 

[rosada]

What is behind the shooting? It's mentioned that hex 43 speaks of having choices. Maybe Hexagram 51 describes the choices - crying, laughing or being in a state of calm. Maybe we are being told the motivation behind this all was some sort of huge cosmic test geared towards forcing us to choose where we stand on gun control?
43.2.3.5 Describes the choices or how these choices can be made?
43.2 The belief that one has the right to own a gun to protect themselves. (Laughing at the idea of gun control)
43.3 Vigor in the cheekbones means pitfall - so no one speaks out against automatic weapons but then they're upset when bullets start raining down. (Crying that comes from no gun control)
43.5 Move to the center - some sort of compromise. (Not letting the ladle fall, having a calm discussion)

 

[Liselle]

What is behind the shooting? Hexagram 51 describes crying, laughing and being in a state of calm, hexagram 43.2.3.5 describes being confronted with choices. Maybe we are being told the motivation behind this all was some sort of huge cosmic test geared towards forcing us to decide where we stand, which side are we on?

I can see how you're getting that from the reading, but cosmic test / decide which side we're on of what? Gun control? As in, one of these incidents will be a tipping point on that?

 

[rosada]

Yes, it's time to wake up about gun control.
51. Shock is the context, the situation, the wake up call.
"The shock that comes from the manifestation of God within the depths." - Wilhelm
So the incident is a wake up call, a realization that this what our current belief systems and laws have led to.
The image for 51. says that because of this wake up call now the superior man must examine himself, as in now that we know we are here what are we going to do about it?
43. Breakthrough.
This hexagram seems to refer to the tension that has built up over time about how society is run.
"One must resolutely make the matter known in the court of the king" So the importance of having discussions about gun control.
"It must be announced truthfully. Danger." The reality of the dangers of people having guns must be faced and the 2nd amendment not twisted by nuts claiming the constitution says they have the right to own assault weapons.
"It is necessary to notify one's own city." One's own contributions to the problem must also not be ignored.
"It does not further one to resort to arms." Guns are not the answer.
"It furthers one to undertake something." A lot of politicians have said now is not the time to get in a big gun control debate. It seems the I Ching is saying now is most definitely the time.

Also interesting the image states, "The superior man dispenses riches downward and refrains from resting on his virtue." Perhaps this is saying the horribly disproportionate distribution of assets on the planet also needs to be addressed - why would anyone need guns if they weren't trying to fight off robbers and why would there be robbers if there weren't the perception that the country's wealth is unfairly distributed?
"And refrains from resting on his virtue." Could this be a reference to people who do nothing to earn their fortune but have only inherited it?

Could hexagram 51. Shock being the second hexagram suggest that if we don't have the discussion and change things now we will, as you say, continue to have these sort of incidents until we eventually do all get that we've reached the tipping point.

Saturn, the planet of rules and limits, is at the last degrees of Sagittarius - the sign of philosophy - this fall. This suggests we are at the end of our chance to learn things from a philosophical point of view. when Saturn goes into Capricorn, the sign of harsh reality, the end of December it will be mark the end of times where we can just discuss possibilities and will have to live with realities. It's happening already but end of December is the official date.

 

[Liselle]

Oh, okay. That's what I thought you meant, and thank you for the detailed explanation.

The reality of the dangers of people having guns must be faced and the 2nd amendment not twisted by nuts claiming the constitution says they have the right to own assault weapons.

Agreed.

 

[hilary]

I had a less optimistic view of the reading. Taking it literally as an answer to what's behind the latest shooting, I read it as the Decision America has already made - that the right to own weapons designed to kill is the most important thing, and killings are just a necessary price to be paid.

I like Rosada's version better.

 

[thisismybody]

Thank you all for the Great Insights. I tried to be brief but just couldn’t do this any justice!

Liselle, the shooter definitely had a choice. In the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus wept tears of blood. He had a difficult choice to make. The choice to be a martyr, as it was his mission, or to remain simply Yehoshuah. Maybe the shooter had a mission.

God is both creator and destroyer. There must be meaning in the shock, even if only a mirror to reflect that we're about to burst at the seems with fear and thoughts of separation. Despite the reality that all is one and there's only love. No matter his "crime," in the end, we all return the the Source. "Good" and "bad." We live in a holographic universe, with the very smallest particle being a total reflection of the whole, the original imprint. This is science. As fragments, we don’t remember our oneness and so we're separated. Remembering who we are, we return to wholeness and thus love.

Rosada, your last post gets closer to the depth I was talking about. The Choice. Our laws and culture reflect our choices and the spirit and energy that creates our reality. It isn't just that mass shootings and death reflect terrible gun laws. It's the mentality and spirituality that has created such deficits, imbalances, and suffering. It's energetic, paradigmatic. Most of our societies revolve around systems built on beliefs/ideas/desires of an "elite" and the "enslaved" and institutions that kill, control, and manipulate.

So our choice is deeper, not some vote to overturn gun laws. Just as we know free forms of energy exist but are kept from us, we know we can't solve problems with the same mentality that created them. Choosing love and to be of service to humanity/others is the only choice, if we want to solve problems that are created by the mentality that only seeks to serve self, to devise and to destroy. If we want to live in a different world, we have to give up being self-serving at the expense of others, treating others as a means to an end, in order to make ourselves feel superior or better or look good or have more. And even if we ban guns and nothing else changes, the mentality that creates the need and desire for them will still exist. It's the root that needs to be plucked. And we are the gardeners that chooses the difference between a weed and flower. "Amaranth on high ground."

I'll add, I don't own a gun and just can't inhabit the mental/spiritual space that believes in the need to have one. But, I don't judge others. I believe in free will. That we all have a choice. I don't believe guns are bad. Guns are tools that reflect the creator and our reality. Current tensions and insanity reflect that we're fundamentally at odds with each other and in disharmony with creation. In a world of my choosing, we'd wake up and there'd be no monetary/enslavement system. No control or manipulation. We'd be free. Energy would be free. We wouldn't have to "work" most of our lives to one day find respite from the drudgery and noise. No one would be fed on. We'd remember that we're souls, not the physical bodies we inhabit. The societies we've constructed make no sense to me. We live in a vast universe of endless possibilities and unending abundance. The amount of power available in a single atom is beyond astounding. Yet, we choose to use it to blow each other to smithereens. We have a Creator and are creators and reflections of the creator. We are the Creator experiencing itself. Yet, we are polarized.

I don't blame people for the world we live in. I look for meaning and wisdom in it and hope for the transformation that's like the promise of a new world in the "second coming." Only, I don't think Jesus is returning. I think it's a matter of time that the cream will rise to the top and things will shift, because we made a choice that reflects a deeper shift and awakening within. And because we've reached that threshold, we are forced to choose. Wake up or die to the same cycle of suffering. It gets even more airy-fairy from here.

From Rosada: "Could hexagrams 51. Shock being the second hexagram suggest that if we don't have the discussion and change things now we will, as you say, continue to have these sort of incidents until we eventually do all get that we've reached the tipping point."

I feel we're at the tipping point and that's it's more than a discussion. It's spiritual, metaphysical, and a remembering of who we are. And then a choice to use our powers in whatever way we choose. And as you said, we're "at the end of our chance to learn things from a philosophical point of view". I agree we're transitioning into a different state, like water to ice. Or a baby being born. Whatever we've created or chosen, we get to experience as the fruits of our labors.

"Cosmic test" is fitting. The astrological implications are interesting. In the books I'm reading, the Council of Nine (guides of our souls) exist in the density of Saturn. And in Manly P. Hall's book “The Secret Teachings of All Ages,” the 3 murderers of the Sun are Libra, Scorpio, and Sagittarius. Capricorn is Father Time, Saturn.

"...authors consider Libra, Scorpio, and Sagittarius as the three murderers of the sun, inasmuch as Osiris was murdered by Typhon, to whom were assigned the thirty degrees of the constellation of Scorpio. In the Christian Mysteries also Judas signifies the Scorpion, and the thirty pieces of silver for which he betrayed His Lord represent the number of degrees in that sign. Having been struck by Libra (the state), Scorpio (the church), and Sagittarius (the mob), the sun (CHiram) is secretly borne through the darkness by the signs of Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces and buried over the brow of a hill (the vernal equinox). Capricorn has for its symbol an old man with a scythe in his hand. This is Father Time--a wayfarer--who is symbolized in Masonry as straightening out the ringlets of a young girl's hair. If the Weeping Virgin be considered a symbol of Virgo, and Father Time with his scythe a symbol of Capricorn, then the interval of ninety degrees between these two signs will be found to correspond to that occupied by the three murderers. Esoterically, the urn containing the ashes of CHiram represents the human heart. Saturn, the old man who lives at the north pole, and brings with him to the children of men a sprig of evergreen (the Christmas tree), is familiar to the little folks under the name of Santa Claus, for he brings each winter the gift of a new year."

Father Time with his scythe returning home right around Christmas. Archetypically, this is significant! Nice addition of this Rosada. Thank you.

“After the sun leaves[...]the days begin to grow unequivocally shorter as the sun declines towards the autumnal equinox, to be again slain by the three autumnal months, lie dead through the three winter ones, and be raised again by the three vernal ones.”

You can find the excerpts in chapter “The Hiramic Legend,” p.243-244. The book itself is a great source of inspiration and a great read.

What I find curious, since y’all brought up astrology, is this myth of the murdered sun and how the recent astrological omens have felt more powerful, starting with the Total Solar Eclipse across America, the Fall Equinox that was the perfect image of the woman that gives birth in the Book of Revelations, and Saturn returning home for harvest. I imagine there’s an immense amount of knowledge to be gained from discerning the archetypes, their meaning as coinciding with the times and seasons. On the equinox, Virgo—the weeping virgin—gave birth to Jupiter, which has been linked to the birth of Christ. If anyone is interested, check out the site The Star of Bethlehem. Jupiter is the sun of Saturn also and the king planet.

I used an app called Sky Guide to try to understand Saturn’s movements. What I found was that it is traveling mostly on the edge and through the Milky Way. At the time of the Las Vegas shooting, Saturn was located in Ophiuchus on his right foot. Ophiuchus is also known as Asclepius. The entire area of sky here is concerned with death and resurrection. Thoth and Maat are said to have traveled with Ra in his boat in the constellation of Libra. Libra, the scales, depicts judgment. Scorpio, death, and the Milky Way, the river or door into another world.