What's the final score?

[klann]

-What's my relationship to him?

30 changing to 19

-What's his relationship to me?

28 changing to 37


What comes out of this?

Thank you for your help.

 

[dobro p]

-What's my relationship to him?

30 changing to 19.

Radiance approaches and undertakes things in a big way.

What's his relationship to me?

28 changing to 37

It goes beyond what's normal or usual in a way that gets both of you intimately connected.

 

[willowfox]

-What's my relationship to him?

30.2,3,4,6 changing to 19 It looks like you are not very happy with him, it has all been a bit of a mistake.

-What's his relationship to me?

28.1,2,4,6 changing to 37 It would seem that he fancies you but he has taken on a task that he cannot fulfill as he is not up to it.

 

[klann]

Thank you dobro and willowfox for your interpretations but...

While your comments regarding reading 28 > 37 seem similar (in a way that I could apply to developing interpretation regarding my knowledge of the situation), your comments about reading 30>19 seem completely opposite. How can it be that "approaching radiance overtaking things" and "my dissatisfaction" define the same reading?

I would appreciate if you could say a bit more about your comments so I could combine them and try to reach some valid conclusion.

This whole situation is very important to me and I would be deeply grateful for your insights.
Thank you.

 

[dobro p]

WF tends to concentrate on the meanings of the individual lines in her readings, and I tend to concentrate more on the big picture of the main hex and how it relates to the relating hex. A third and more comprehensive reading (which you don't have here) would look at both the big picture, the different aspects of the situation down on the street so to speak, and how the small aspects fit into the big picture. Sometimes I offer that third approach, but in a case like yours with four changing lines in the primary hex, I usually ignore them cuz it tends to get confusing looking at all those different mini-aspects of the situation, and just concentrate on the big picture. My personal style of reading puts the emphasis more on the second, relating hex when there are four or more changing lines (as in your case). So for the first one, I'd finetune what I said to this: "Radiantly undertaking things in a big way: the situation is radiantly headed in a strong Hex 19 direction." And for the second consultation: "Going well beyond the present situation and strongly headed in the direction of becoming a participating member of an inner group, with all the intimacy, support, and mutual connection that entails."

As for why WF said what she said, you'll have to ask her to elaborate. She's pretty coherent though.

 

[klann]

My personal style of reading puts the emphasis more on the second, relating hex when there are four or more changing lines (as in your case).

Dobro, thank you very much for your clarification.

As for the above quoted part: I have already heard/read that in case of four or more changing lines, the second hex should be given priority. One question, though: do I take the second hex as a whole or the first unchanged line in it in particular (as I think I have heard)? What's your personal approach?

Thank you.

 

[doingnotdoing]

-What's my relationship to him?

30 changing to 19

-What's his relationship to me?

28 changing to 37

What comes out of this? Thank you for your help.

Hi klann – I can really feel for you here - the emotional turmoil really comes through, and God knows I’ve been there.

I’ve been quietly paying attention to the various readings you’ve submitted, and I’ve hesitated to share my thoughts, because I’m quite sure what I’m seeing will not be consistent with what you hope to hear.

I think the Yi is confirming what the initial reading of 13 > 22 was pointing to. Although there’s a genuine and powerful connection between you, the resulting Hex of 22, as pleasant and pretty as it seems on the surface, it is not the real thing, not that which endures and has permanence.

You earlier submitted Hex 2 with all lines changing - once again indicating a powerful dynamic, but Wilhelm’s interpretation for all six lines changing says, “There is indeed no advance, but neither is there retrogression.” To me, this means a standstill. Standstill was suggested in the second reading of your initial post by 12 > 24.

As far as this reading, I tend to agree with Willowfox.

Once again, both readings are riddled with multiple moving lines, which I think again speaks to the powerful dynamics you’re experiencing. With this many lines moving, emphasis has shifted to the second Hex; Steve Marshall has suggested that in these cases additional insight can be found in the lower of the lines that didn’t move. Wilhelm says of line two of Hex 19 that, “we must not let ourselves be carried away by the current of the time”, while line three of 37 speaks to the occasional necessity of severity to ultimate success, which in this case I’d interpret as the Yi suggesting you move on despite the pain involved.

I know this isn’t what you want to hear, but I would read this as suggesting that it is time to move forward, and to reflect on the other aspect of the earlier reading of 2 > 1, which I see as the Yi counseling you to be receptive to the potential for new and different relationships which will become available if you allow yourself to open to the potential of the creative.

I can really relate to what you’re going through – I’m dealing with kind of an opposite situation right now, in that I’m moving away from a connection that does have permanence, though it’s not to manifest further on this plane apparently, despite the degree I’d like it to.

I think throughout all of this, the Yi has been trying to tell you to have faith that the right relationship, one truly fulfilling, will come to you if you allow yourself to see other possibilities. It’s just a guess, but I think you’ll discover that when that relationship does arrive, it will have a feeling of serenity and certainty to it, not a sense of upset and urgency. I think that's what the second hex in the earlier reading of 12 > 24 is pointing to.

Good luck, and I do hope that I haven’t only added to your turmoil by suggesting this.

 

[klann]

Doingnotdoing, thank you so much for such a systematised answer.

I'm not even sure what I wanted to hear or if something "what I wanted to hear" really exists. I just feel tired and confused because... the whole situation seemed right and it turned out to be so confusing and unclear and painful. I'm tired of waiting and of hoping, I'm tired of the feeling that I'm the only one who's actually trying.
I suppose I was hoping to hear that this is just a period, a trial, that we will overcome it and reach harmony. That's why 24 seemed promissing to me. I know it could mean "the third person" but, as things now are, I do not see other people. I'm still very much into us...

2>1 came out as answer to question what might happen if I spoke openly, which I still haven't done. Why? Because I didn't have an opportunity and I relied on my feeling that I should remain passive (12 offered a nice support in that inclination).

I still feel the hope and I still feel that, somehow, this is not over yet. I'm not sure in which way but... Maybe I should really stop asking questions, stop thinking and rethinking and see what happens. Opening myself to life would, probably, be the healthiest thing to do.

You most certainly haven't added to the turmoil but helped me with the nice overview of the whole situation. Thank you for that.

 

[dobro p]

One question, though: do I take the second hex as a whole or the first unchanged line in it in particular (as I think I have heard)? What's your personal approach?

I take the relating hexagram as a whole. But here's the deal: the Yi works best for you when you know your own 'rules' of interpretation, cuz then the Yi knows how you're going to read the results, and so do you, so everything's clearer in a field where sometimes things don't always seem very clear. So my advice to you is to decide how you're going to interpret results, and if you ask for help with an interpretation, be cognizant of how the readers you're working with are reading 'your' toss. Which is exactly what you're doing here. Good work.

 

[klann]

So my advice to you is to decide how you're going to interpret results, and if you ask for help with an interpretation, be cognizant of how the readers you're working with are reading 'your' toss. Which is exactly what you're doing here. Good work.

Thanks for your support, Dobro.
I have been... well, "dealing" with I Ching for quite a while now relying mostly on my intuition in interpretation. Being positive and optimistic by nature (not always a good thing to be, I guess) I have always kind of managed to see things from a upbeat point of view, managing to find encouragement in every reading.

Being in a really exhausting and emotionally painful situation now, I have asked for some help for the first time and I truly appreciate all of you who take some time to read and give your responses. I feel like in a tunnel hoping to see the light.

I have always been confused regarding multi-changing lines and here's the first time I'm actually getting some explanation re how to deal with them. It did seem to me that shifting should apply to the second hex as a whole but I just wanted to hear opinion/arguments from more experienced people. Thanks for sharing your views.

 

[doingnotdoing]

Being positive and optimistic by nature (not always a good thing to be, I guess) I have always kind of managed to see things from a upbeat point of view, managing to find encouragement in every reading.

Being positive and optimistic is always a good thing. Cherish and nurture that - those who don't are those who succumb to bitterness.

The hard part is remaining optimistic without being gullible. I still haven't figured that part out yet, but I've only been at this life thing for a half-century or so! (This time).

 

[martin]

Not wanting to sound pessimistic, but I think that takes at least a full century.

 

[doingnotdoing]

Well, Martin, then I guess I've another interesting half-century to look forward to . . .