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Hi dears!
My last post was about a love relationship that,even if i don't want,i guess is finish(i asked to IC if he would like to come back with me and the answer 8,6> 20 is clear enough).
Now i asked to IC when i'll be emotionally better about this, and the answer 53,5 talking about 3years scared me. do u think that is going to take 3years(actually,our unproductive relation was 3 years long!!i lost my opportunity and i know that is going to be hard to learn about this experience,but is the only way to don't destroy another relation again)
John Blofeld is his book is telling that this line corresponds with the 5th week of january and hex 52 corresponde with 3months period(Februar,March,April).
Instead,other info is talking about hex 52 like a cicle that goes August to August(405days)
The other option is just that IC is telling me to go on, no be worried about future because will be success,and i'll be calm(or maybe the success arrive when i'll be calm,hard job!)

what do u think about? :bows::bows:
 

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I asked to IC if he would like to come back with me and the answer 8,6> 20 is clear enough).

That is clear? I think it says he's waiting for you to take the lead. He has decided to just observe how things go ...

Now i asked to IC when i'll be emotionally better about this, and the answer 53,5

Hexagram 53 is the progression of a relationship that takes a long time to develop. I wouldn't be surprised if one day the two of you are together again and your relationship will be experienced as a good match by both of you.

In other words, you will get what you really want. Do you really want this relationship? It's better if you asked your questions from your own point of view, you know. The thing is, I think, that you two are really different types of people. Yet, at the same time, since you are opposites, you attract each other strongly. This is powerful stuff, kativa. To win his heart ... or to get him out of your hair ... either way, it will take time. :)
 

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Line 8.6 indicates the guy in question doesn't want to know, so he's gone to look at some girl elsewhere.

Line 53.5 just indicates that it will take a bit of time to cool yourself off, but life will go on and soon or later you will meet another. These things happen but later you will be up and running again.
 

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hi!
such differents points of view!

Ginnie you are right when you say that we are two different types of people!I'd like that you are right,but i don't think so.WiIlowfox is closer to my vision and to reality:now he is traveling with a girlfriend, and it's no crazy to think that their friendship become love,because they got the understanding that we never have.
Yesterday i sent to him a sms.He's not answering.Iasked to IC Why he did not answer?
I had 36,1-6>52 I dont really know what that this mean...but today i care no more.

About the timing...is going to take time to be fit again...ohlalá!!
Maybe 3 years,maybe one....i have to remember to keep my way,and dont lose again my head,my heart ,my feet going after him...i hope that i dont need to tied me to a chair in my room!!
i want to do it well when they are coming back.... trust myself and be strong,remember the past and go step by step forward. Something like this IC told me when i asked about the best attitud: 1,4>9

Thanks a lot for your time :bows:
 

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Why he did not answer? 36,1-6>52

****He's in hiding because I suppose that he would not like his new gf to know about you.

when i asked about the best attitude: 1,4>9

Blow this a**hole off and go out and enjoy yourself as he's not worth getting upset about.
 

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oh ,****!
i think i care.....this is going to take long.....i want to scream and free my mind, :rant:

he answered my sms saying : i love you! :eek:

oh! i just have to be calm and stop to asking me about tomorrow because i'm losing the time of today:duh:

any tip to be relax??
 

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oK..i asked which is what I really wish our relationship? 47,4>29..mmmmmm.

This what Lise's I Ching says:
When the mind is not free from fears, wishes, fixed ideas or other obstructions, then thinking is dragging. A free mind finds the right choice, decision or action without much effort. So make it free, hand all your ideas over to the gods, and start living. But if you cannot, then do your best - you will also reach your goal, with hard work and later, but an honest effort will get its reward too.

interesting.....
 

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If a relationship causes you fear and always makes you miserable, why would you want to continue with it?

Why don't you just turn around and walk away from this misery?

Call upon God to help you, if you believe in God, kativa. Everybody believes in something larger than their boyfriend!
 

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can i call me masochistic??

I just think you're having trouble turning off your thoughts.

Is there something else you could put your thoughts on?

You need to take your mind off him -- and off of all people completely. Be careful not to let your love life run away with your entire life.

If you have an I Ching book there, read what it says under hexagram 52.
 

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ginnie....:hug:
this that u say "Be careful not to let your love life run away with your entire life"made cry(i'm really emotional:blush:)just because i'm afraid of it. the point is that i feel guilty about what happened between us. when u are not ok whit yourself,is difficult to love another person.if u can't see the light inside you,everything around looks dangerous.and in this case, one become selffish, because can see only the own pain and the sweet fruits that love's giving look poisoned.i was always in fear of being hurt,not trusting him,always a bit paranoic.he tried to help me,but nothing worked out.
Sometimes i think that he is not the right person for someone like me, sometimes that i need to change to be ready to love someone,sometimes that is just a mix between both things.
now ,it's true,i'm feeling better that one year ago,stronger,but,yeah, looks that i'm not strong enough to have a realtionship.i still not knowing what to do with my life,and feeeling that i'm loosing my time making always the same stupid mistakes!:cloud:aya!
but yeah, i'm sure that i 'll be stronger, that there's something that i can do,that i'm going to find my path or just realise that i'm already in it :)
i will read the hex 52 to come down.

thanks a lot for your tips:bows::bows:

as benedetti wrote: there are many futures,many pasts, but only one present:rolleyes:
 

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the point is that i feel guilty about what happened between us.

It's not your fault. You're only hurting yourself by blaming yourself. In fact, don't blame anybody.

Is he the right man for you in the first place, kativa?To clarify whether or not he is the right man for you, you might sometime ask the I Ching to tell you what you need to know about this man ...

It could be helpful to know that, before expending any more of your precious time and emotional energy.

P.S.: I love the way you're using the emoticons! You have found a few I've never seen before.
 

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Hello Ginnie!! i'm glad that u like the emoticons:cool: As i'm not used to English, emoticons make it much easier to express myself: a picture is worth a thousand words. Thus the IC works giving images which can help to better understand situations from a more objective point of view (sometimes ... other times I fail to see anything clearly, especially with the topic with which I started these thread, i just freak out :freak:,but i've got the feeling that more i'm using it, more clear is the language that IC uses,isn't iT? )

It's not your fault. You're only hurting yourself by blaming yourself. In fact, don't blame anybody.
but why i have to do this?!?!?!:hissy:I mean,for long time i didn't know if was me, him, or our connection the problem because, as i can see anything clear because i know that i use to hurt myself burning out everything around:bag:,the fear of losing a very special person was frozen me .... I'm so stupid human!:duh:!
at least,at the end, i understood, and i hope that i have learnt it well.
Now i started to read the Bushido Shoshinshu.The first chapter discusses the awareness of death as a tool to keep the right behaviour by feeling every moment as the last,avoiding the distraction and the arrogance of those who believed that his life will be eternal, we can enjoy a full life, full respect for who surrounds us and to ourselves, keeping attention to detail and keeping the right way and that just being aware that life is fragile as the dew of the morning you can enjoy and honor life.oh How wise!(mmmm...this looks like a mental note)(i need one emoticon with an strong arm to say keep it strong,or rock it :p)

So,coming back to the main aim of my Thread,I've followed your advice
Is he the right man for you in the first place, kativa?To clarify whether or not he is the right man for you, you might sometime ask the I Ching to tell you what you need to know about this man ... .
and I've asked to IC.
First answer to if he's right for me i had 48 2,6>53. changing lines are in opposition,one saying no,other saying yes?but i think that is not so bad,no? :confused:
TO what i need to know about him? i had 21 2,3,6>34..mmmm, i understood that there is a punishment,and is easy that he wants to teach me that is no possible to treat people as i did with him(i have to hide:hide:),so he's attitude is his punishment and,as he's really stubborn, will not change his attitude towards me.
what do u see?

Anyway, coming back to yesterday when i asked about what i want about our relation and i had 47,4>29 i understood as i had all the problems i told already about trusting me trusting others and a character like a rollercoaster(funny but dangerous:demon:) i want to learn about my limits to overcoming them.
what do you think??

bufff..i wrotte a lot!! i hope that is not anoying:blush:,otherwise noone will read it,no one will answer me and i will cry and cray and cry:weep:(joking)

before to finish just say that this virtual talking, sharing the IC passion is really helpfull.it's like a virtual hug:hugs: so hugs for all.

thanks for being there,anywhere u are

blessings :bows::bows:
 

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ah!Ginnie, hex 52 was really helpfull,but
put in practise what is saying is the complicated step...
but, is not impossible ;)
:bows::bows:
 

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I mean,for long time i didn't know if was me, him, or our connection the problem ...I'm so stupid human!:duh:!

Oh, we're all the same. Is it him? Is it me? Is it the two of us together? Is it the place we live? And so forth... I advise you to stop blaming yourself, because we're all stupid. Nothing to be ashamed of. Don't blame anybody.

Bushido Shoshinshu.The first chapter discusses the awareness of death as a tool to keep the right behaviour by feeling every moment as the last

I'm glad you posted this. It will help me with something I have to deal with personally ...

what i need to know about him? i had 21 2,3,6>34

He does not appreciate you right now. Or you don't appreciate him right now. He's hiding; or, as you said, you're hiding. I don't know what lines apply to him and what lines apply to you. However, it takes two to tango! You may be sure that you both share some of the same faults, even though it doesn't appear that way on the surface.

In hex 21 there is an obstruction to harmony. People are making mountains out of molehills. They are exaggerating things. Don't exaggerate anything just for the emotional drama. In other words, keep everything in perspective. Also, people are too lenient to say anything about what's bothering them.

Anyway, coming back to yesterday when i asked about what i want about our relation and i had 47,4>29... what do you think??

He offered you assistance, but there has been a long delay. Isn't it so? You are angry, because where is the help he promised you?

You must be brave and as patient as you can, Kativa, because he will come through eventually and everything will be better as a result! This situation is a test of your patience. Believe that he will come through for you -- because this is true.

Sometimes we are afraid that what happened to us in the past is going to happen all over again and cause us tremendous suffering. I have a secret to tell you: The past never repeats itself. The present time is always new.

There is nothing to fear, Kativa. All you have to do is calm down (52) and be patient! And that means to be steady! Ha! I know that is not so easy for you ... (not for me, either). You might buy a meditation CD with a soothing voice or soft music, and you can listen to it while in a comfortable position ... If you have never had a meditation practice, now is the time to start one -- seriously! :):)
 

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He offered you assistance, but there has been a long delay. Isn't it so? You are angry, because where is the help he promised you?
actually,i'm a bit,not angry,deluded with him because he is not the same as when we started,like he was kidding me.
at the start,everything nice,he made me feel like the queen of hearts and then, when i was completely in love, all this special details were gone,no more nice words,no more romantic situations.... and i started to became paranoic :mad: are all the men like this?? grgrgrgr :deadhorse:

actually, i dont know what is going to happen between us, but is weeks that i'm nervous because of this,i didn't study and i've got my exams in one week.terrible!!worse than when i was 15(and this was almost 15years ago:blush:) i'm thinking to give up for this year!!i asked to IC(of course)about this topic(again) and was telling me: 49 2,6>1
mmmmm,i should post another thread....but always asking and never answering is embarrasing,but i dont have the feeling(at the moment) to give advise to anyone.

i never tried to do meditation,even if deep inside of me i know that it will help me...i`ve always said tomorrow,tomorrow and i never let this tomorrow arrive.i have to do it TODAY,because tomorrow is too late(remember Bushido Shoshinsu --i'm so happy that i could help you(yepa!) posting about it:bows:)
:hug:
blessings,:bows::bows:
 

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deluded with him... are all the men like this?? grgrgrgr :deadhorse:
:rofl:
Well, yes, that can happen ... It's not unusual.

is weeks that i'm nervous because of this,i didn't study and i've got my exams in one week.terrible!!worse than when i was 15

Get your mind back to your books ... See if you can catch up with your studies. Can you re-direct your thoughts away from your frustrations with him? It's like switching the channel on the television set. Stop watching the show 'He's Far Away' and start watching the show in which you manage to catch up with your studies.


Today and tomorrow you will see no revolution, Kativa. Certain things have to happen first, before your good fortune arrives. And if the I Ching says so, then good luck will be yours. I think you don't want to believe this. Nevertheless, it is true.

The hardest thing for a lot of people who begin studying the I Ching is learning how to wait.

Do not do anything else with regard to this matter right now. That is the message of Yi to you, Kativa.
 

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Do not do anything else with regard to this matter right now.

.....anything is what i'm doing, this is the problem!and now:no time enough, even not enough money to pay matriculation.....I'm l'enfant terrible!

The hardest thing for a lot of people who begin studying the I Ching is learning how to wait
We start to studying IC because we want to know,and IC teach us that each day we build up what is going to happen and that we know what we want to know:rolleyes:
ah! i tried meditation....10 minutes of mental storm!!!but nice to try to be only in the breathing, an action that we do automatically,unconsciously and wihtout it will be no life.tomorrow again:)

love :bows::bows:
 

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Kativa, sure hope you've started to heed Ginnie's sound advice. Your bf projected another image
whilst wooing you ... now you're 'in his pocket' (French expression) he's showing his true colours -
it's not unusual.

You know that was insincere and now you're disappointed, dismayed, disillusioned, etc. Tell yourself
that he didn't live up to your expectations, hence he's not worth it ! Gradually you'll reduce energy from this issue and focus your attention on matters of greater consequence ... your studies.

If and when he resurfaces, take your time to assess the situation and decide whether or not his presence in your life would be beneficial. I assume this is the same chap who left on holiday with his
friend and with whom you were having some trouble. Hold yourself together and think of your future.
You're still sooo young, many opportunities lie ahead including decent and sincere potential partners.
Unrequited love can be so destructive ... don't fall into that trap. One of the saddest cases is that
of Adèle H - daughter of the famous author (late) Victor Hugo. She outlived all her siblings ... but at what price !
 

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You're still sooo young, many opportunities lie ahead including decent and sincere potential partners.

Kativa, I agree with themis that you are still young and this situation you're in right now is definitely not the end of the world --although I'm sure it feels like it is the end of the world.

Where you live, is there a lake or a river? Is there a forest or a nice park? Sometimes when people cannot find any peace in sitting still meditation, they can find a lot of peace in nature. If the weather is okay where you live, maybe a nice walk near a large river or a day in a park -- or even in a zoo! -- could be just what the doctor ordered for an over-active mind.

Sometimes even small parks have a playground for children. When we watch children playing, so free and spontaneous, this can lift our spirits and remind us that our happiness is not tied to any one particular human being. Our happiness comes from deep within us -- if we weren't so locked into trying to find it outside us in the shape of a man. Too bad we humans are so stupid! Do something, anything, to lift up your own spirits, Kativa.

And now I need to leave this thread .... so many things I have to take care of. The issue is the ancient one of how to achieve a quiet heart.
 

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Unrequited love can be so destructive
i always thought that this kind of love is not possible that is really love because there's not a exchange of feelings...so ,if he doens't love me,i will say "bye,bye".it will hurt, but can u immagine how am i when he have already split up with me 2 times in this 3years? my inner true is telling me to understand what are my feelings to him because,it's true, i'm angry with him!before to leave in his holidays he was a piece of ice and now when he is far he is telling me"i love you", wicked,ain't it? he loves me when he's far,such a bastard! :mad:

this chating is helping me to understand ,as all my friends are telling me,that i have to learn to look more for me, and then i 'll be ready to love without fear.

anyway,now i have to make a miracle with my exams:eek:(other point:he have sending me some money to pay the taxes,sweet bastard!) so, there's only one week left and i've got a lot to study.

thanks for yours feedbacks.it's a pleasure

love,
:bows::bows:
 

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Glad you're beginning to see the light. Yes, I do understand how you feel. This has been going
on for too long and it's wearing and tearing away at you emotionally ... eating you up !

If he's helping you out financially that's kind and considerate. However, it doesn't mean he can
manipulate you emotionally. As soon as you can sort out your finances and do without his
assistance do so.

Meanwhile, revise the subject matter and do your best during the exams - good luck !

Remember you're a child of the universe - as we all are - you have a right to be here, to be
treated decently, with respect, to be loved and to love. It's a fundamental human right.

Take care.
 

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