which language Yi is speaking of? 7.2,3,6

[dragona]

Hello,I am quite lost with this one, but thought I ask and now am stuck.
Which language should I apply to learn that would come useful in practical ways in the future?
Hex. 7.2,3,6<52 ??
I was considering Spanish (seems easy enough, caught a bit of it), Swedish and Finnish.
Am i The Mountain? Immobile with my head in the clouds?
Hex 7 would imply organizing (of the knowledge) and perseverance, good start but then troubles and just rewards...Not very enlightening but interesting how The Army of words needs the discipline and right command and leadership hopefully towards Union with people if I got the reference right.
Would be good to get clearer ideas on this, thank you:bows:

Would it be too wild an assumption to think that each line would refer itself to each language as written here? I was not thinking in that order, just came out that way.

 

[pocossin]

7, Army: German

 

[dragona]

I did not want to prejudice anything, but I dislike German a lot. No offense.
Something really tangible would have to happen to make me learn.

 

[pocossin]

I did not want to prejudice anything, but I dislike German a lot. No offense.
Something really tangible would have to happen to make me learn.

Maybe some German tourists showing up with euros to buy the products you are going to make would change your mind?

 

[dragona]

optimism you have!!!
if you are decisive upon it, ok...but you should see how majority looks and acts while on holidays here...
was dwelling between Swedish and Finnish and since you are very informative, do you by any chance know where one could learn sign language easily on the net?
Thanks a lot:bows:

 

[pocossin]

..but you should see how majority looks and acts while on holidays here...

Perhaps they go wild when they escape the discipline imposed on them in Germany.

was dwelling between Swedish and Finnish and since you are very informative, do you by any chance know where one could learn sign language easily on the net?

How would you use sign language? Not too many speak Swedish and Finnish My impractical language is Esperanto. In my wasted youth I learned it, and it is the only non-English language in which I have read books. There is much poor work in Esperanto, but the Japanese used it with great skill, and it was my introduction to Japanese literature. For that I am grateful.

 

[dragona]

I think it is an universal language, sign language .... in perfect world, we should all know the basics + one language as universal, to communicate all. It is easier to decide when you have a goal and its good for the brain...Finnish is so hard, but I find Finns very interesting and they have Swedish as official language as well, but they dislike Swedes, in general...Swedish has quite a lot similarities with German, btw...

 

[pocossin]

I think it is an universal language, sign language ...

Wikipedia suggests that there are a multitude of sign languages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_language

 

[hopex]

i agree with Pocosssin - I immediately saw german
- or a germanic hard gutteral structural language

certainly not romance languages ie french spanish italian

 

[hopex]

or chinese japanese - t'zun zu art of war
etc
isnt finnish germanic ?

 

[dragona]

Thanx Tom, I know it`s not totally universal...just wondered of a really good starting point on the net
Hopex, it is the group of Hungarian - Finnish languages (we call them ugro-finnish, not sure of the proper translation) and they put words together to form a new one..up to 30 letters in one word )))

So I understand that the image of army gives you the idea of a strong, commanding language..but what of changing lines? I could have gotten unchanged hex then...and the reading all together...are there any more specific geographical references that would help determent the answer stronger?

 

[ginnie]

No, Finnish is not Germanic but is in a language group with Hungarian, unless I'm forgetting everything I once knew.

By the way, I think your reading is making reference to the fact that we learn best as children and any language learned as an adult requires tremendous DISCIPLINE. Yet 7.3 points out that there are corpses in the wagons, which usually points to serious and weighty problems that will be extremely difficult to overcome.

 

[bradford]

The modern "standing" army that people think of when we see this word is not the kind of thing that the Yijing describes. The term Militia, specifically a defensive militia, comes much closer to the kind of organization the Yi is describing.

 

[dragona]

The modern "standing" army that people think of when we see this word is not the kind of thing that the Yijing describes. The term Militia, specifically a defensive militia, comes much closer to the kind of organization the Yi is describing.

Oh yes,remembered of your explanation for hex 7 as The Militia and then Switzerland came to mind which only complicates things...
Defensive militia...hmm...where to go with this image?
As I find Yi is so much about ones current state of mind and affairs or do I go with associations in geographical/political sense?
What would be your interpretation if asking this question?

 

[bradford]

What would be your interpretation if asking this question?

I would look for a language that had the broadest range of applications in your life, or allowed you travel to the broadest range of places, something that performed multiple duties, or something that equipped you with versatility. In my own case those languages happened to be Latin, Mathematics and the Hermetic symbolic languages.But that's looking at the idea of language from outside the box.

 

[answeredquestions]

The languages Bradford mentioned seem to have a beautiful way of organizing life.. which seems to be one of the central themes in hexagram 7. Something like, organization of what you already possess, like the Swiss army, strengthening their defenses (strengthening themselves, organizing themselves) rather than moving into other countries... hope this helps.

 

[meng]

Hello,I am quite lost with this one, but thought I ask and now am stuck.
Which language should I apply to learn that would come useful in practical ways in the future?
Hex. 7.2,3,6<52 ??
I was considering Spanish (seems easy enough, caught a bit of it), Swedish and Finnish.
Am i The Mountain? Immobile with my head in the clouds?
Hex 7 would imply organizing (of the knowledge) and perseverance, good start but then troubles and just rewards...Not very enlightening but interesting how The Army of words needs the discipline and right command and leadership hopefully towards Union with people if I got the reference right.
Would be good to get clearer ideas on this, thank you:bows:

Would it be too wild an assumption to think that each line would refer itself to each language as written here? I was not thinking in that order, just came out that way.

I regard 7 as the prepared defensive mechanism. While I agree with Brad's generalization (no pun intended), strict military precision requires ongoing training and updating. So the militia is more than some back hills group of shoot-em-ups, but have at their disposal such things as advanced reconnaissance and intelligence, as well as current technology. So in that regard, maintaining a standing army is one way to accomplish that level of readiness. I don't know of any other way, other than actually being combat engaged over a period of time, which is what one hopes to avoid.

Based on this, I can agree with Tom's Germanic answer. Seems to have worked well for Nietzsche. To put a less aggressive spin on it, Dutch would likely make some sense. But so does English.

I think it must be organizable and powerful. At the same time, romance languages can offer some needed poetic passion, and allow the listener's mind to possibly open beyond its previous dimension.

In the end, I don't think language matters. There are Chinese who don't get it, and Mexicans who do. I see Yi as its own language, and I'm happy to interact with it as such. I know it speaks my language even if I don't fluently speak its.

 

[ginnie]

What about improving your English? English is one of the most widespread languages in the world.

 

[dragona]

Thanks everyone, don`t know how to quote from each so just to say that improving English also came to mind as possible advice Yi was giving ( seems I am a mountain, answeredquestions) but then again, it goes without saying...
The question was which language to learn for future benefit...German can`t hurt at all but it is very difficult to pick up something you`re not really keen on without any preceding incentive...and so far, only English with those I mentioned.

 

[answeredquestions]

Thanks everyone, don`t know how to quote from each so just to say that improving English also came to mind as possible advice Yi was giving ( seems I am a mountain, answeredquestions) but then again, it goes without saying...

Dear Dragona -

Why do you say you are a mountain? Maybe at the moment you are feeling a bit stuck, or in a less energetic place that you would like or have been before.

I think Ginnie's suggestion about improving your English does seem to fit well into the reading. And because of the organization aspects of 7, maybe it is even pointing to sentence structure, and learning new English words. Also, things like grammar and pronunciation can help you to better utilize the language for getting ideas across, to express yourself and also just connect in general.

Line 2 - 'Positioned at the center of the Army' (Wikiwing)
--Choosing a language central to you. Suggestions: English or maybe something from a part of your heritage, or like Meng suggested, the language of the Yi. That is an awesome idea!

Line 3 - 'Perhaps the army carts corpses' (Wikiwing)
--A pretty emotional line . Maybe it is talking about what you were saying above, that it is difficult to pick up something you aren't really keen on, without preceding incentive. Almost like in school when you are learning a subject that you don't really care for (or one you are not good at). It is much harder, and learning can then be like caring around dead weight. I think this line is just suggesting to pick something that is going to carry a spark of life with it, something meaningful and alive, not something that is for no good reason. For example if you had a group of people you'd like to connect with in another country, or if you are moving somewhere with a different language, or if you'd like to understand a culture or your heritage - these could all be useful.

Line 6 - 'The great leader has a mandate
To found a state and receive the households.
Don't use small people' (Wikiwing)
--Whenever the word 'mandate' comes up in a reading, it always tends to force my eyes open (still a little confused about it's meaning, but overall I think I get it). And here the leader is blessed with the mandate. The second sentence, about state and households, seems fitting for picking a language. To me it is saying resonate with those around you, in your state, in your family.

Hexagram 52
-- Back to the mountain, for this reading, I think it is a reflection of not feeling a lot of movement and Hexagram 7 is a way to sort of bust throw that stillness.

The trigram changes
-- I tend to look more at the second hexagram being a backdrop and even possibly where you are coming from, so I am sort of reversing the process....


☶ to ☷
The upper trigram goes from Mountain to Earth. I see this as your interaction with the outside world. In Mountain you are still, and when it changes to Earth you become receptive. Being receptive is not being still but instead being open to moving along with the flow that is coming towards you. Sort of like the universe being the director of a film and you are the actor (just one silly example).

☶ to ☵
The lower trigram goes from Mountain to Water. I see this as your inner self and the processes that are going on inside of you. In Mountain you are still, and when it changes to Water you start moving to the line of least resistance. The water is there beneath you, and is your inner energy that you can tap into. It is your source for life.

I thought this was interesting from Wikiwing on the Trigram Water:

"It manifests itself in the ear"
Water resonates with influences and vibrations and stores them. Water which has been disturbed at a certain moment will long afterwards carry the influences of that particular moment.
Sound, or vibration, is the beginning of the world.

Listening to things, even just ourselves can change things drastically. Our inner thoughts are very strong and send out the vibrations that manifest the actual things in our lives.

Best Regards,
Courtney

 

[dragona]

Thank you very much C. for this effort...but it is quite bad, the inertia, it is different from that one calm meditative moments when we are content in our silence..that is a productive state as this is a dead rock feeling one. And this is not a silly example, just like yours wasn`t.
Agreed and will read again, when the headache is gone.
Was not going to mention, but had another dream with a casting in it. It`s almost fun now.