Why did Cat have seizures? 50.1>14

[Fortuny1889]

Dear all,
I went back to ask for your help to understand Yi's answer on the question I asked about the health of my beloved male cat.

His health worries me a lot.

A few days ago he had a terrible seizure. It happened while I was making him play, he was very excited by the game which consisted of chasing a pack of feathers tied to a rope quickly.
At some point the cat stopped and started to move the upper paw in a strange way, bringing it behind the head. Then he began to wriggle in his hind legs too. After a few seconds he tried to walk towards his refuge, but his walk was totally uncoordinated, he seemed to make too wide and lateral strides, until he collapsed on the ground. Since then he hasn't moved his hind legs for a couple of minutes and was crawling clinging to the floor with his front legs. He certainly had a fever, very fast breathing and his state of consciousness was partial. I made him a video and showed it to the vet the next day.

The video was also shown to the animal neurologist who did not give an exhaustive answer, only very strange behavior. We have already planned many tests (blood, heart and magnetic resonance imaging) to establish a diagnosis.

The cat completely recovered from his acute crisis and after a few minutes and immediately returned to being the usual sweet, loving, playful and a bit lazy cat ever (he is 10 years old!)

But I who can't make out what my friend has, I tried to ask Yi:
Why did Cat have seizures, what was the cause?
answer: 50.1> 14

I read in a discussion here on 50 that the ancient symbol of Ding was a cat

50. Ting / The Caldron

... fornication (from www.etymonline.com) c.1300, from O.Fr. fornication, from L.L. fornicationem (nom. fornicatio), from fornicari "fornicate," from L. fornix (gen. fornicis) "brothel," originally "arch, vaulted chamber" (Roman prostitutes commonly solicited from under the arches of certain...

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Then the line 1: the legs upside down to release the lumps .. it makes me think that there may be a brain tumor (it is a chance appointed by the vet) ... but I feel too conditioned and too anxious to have lucidity to read the answer.

I'm in pain for my cat .. help, thanks ..

Fortuny

 

[marybluesky]

Hello!

50.1:
"But there will be advantage in getting rid of what was bad in it " [Legge]
"The cauldron tips over and conveniently spills its stale food" [Wu ]

I'm not an expert- maybe there have been parasites/ food poisoning?

 

[Fortuny1889]

Hello!

50.1:
"But there will be advantage in getting rid of what was bad in it " [Legge]
"The cauldron tips over and conveniently spills its stale food" [Wu ]

I'm not an expert- maybe there have been parasites/ food poisoning?

Hi Marybluesky,
I don't think it is food poisoning because the malaise, similar to a minor seizure, resolved immediately.
In addition, the cat does not leave the house and follows a specific diet for older people with the onset of kidney problems.

The Ding has always made me think of the shape of a human body, or a skull, that's why I thought of brain cancer.
It is true, however, that in the Ding they put food, which can also be considered a symbol, even referred to a cat.

Thanks for the tip, I will report it to the vet.

Fortuny

 

[Liselle]

I don't have any idea what the reading means, but I certainly hope the doctors will figure it out and can treat him for it. And I'm glad your cat recovered from the incident so fast and well.

(I suppose there's some chance the answer is something only a neurologist could understand. You asked for the cause, and you may have gotten it, at a biochemical level or something... neurons detecting something they consider "bad" and getting rid of it? Or something?)

 

[Freedda]

I have no idea either, but it made me wonder, was this a one-time thing, or is it reoccuing? If one time, I might guess is was something that was bothering him for just that time: a bug bite, or some allergic reaction to the feathers, or ...? (With my cat often catnip was involved!)

I also wonder ... thought it's just a guess ... how much does he usualy exert himself, and was the activity with the feathers maybe too much for his old cat self - especially if he's got kidney problems?

If it is ongoing, then .... well, maybe .... I don't know ... a vet visit, or tests ...?

 

[Fortuny1889]

The cat is already followed by the vet and the first clinical tests will begin in a few hours.
For more information we have to wait a week, then it will be subjected to magnetic resonance imaging.

unfortunately this was not the first crisis, something similar and a milder one had it 4 months ago ... This suggests that there is an ongoing cause that activates these symptoms.



Thinking about the Ding, the fire and wood / wind trogram makes me think of an inflammation that has been stimulated. The lumps of the Ding make me think of tumors. The Ding a bambe in su seems to me to be the image of my cat as he writhed with his hind legs raised upwards.

Does anyone have any insight on the mutation hexagram, 14?

My heart is broken.

Thanks for your interest, it helps a lot.

Fortuny

 

[Liselle]

I think Hilary has said about 14.1 (50.1's corresponding line or fan yao) that the first step towards "Great Possession" is keeping bad stuff away. 'No interaction with what is harmful, In no way at fault, So that hardship is not a mistake.'

It does say 'In no way at fault,' which could be reassuring, that it's nothing you did wrong.

 

[Fortuny1889]

thanks Liselle,
I hadn't thought of reading the fanyao.
This meaning reassures me that I am doing the right things, without fault. As if to say that I'm not making mistakes. It would be even better if the meaning lies in the faultlessness of the vet, because I completely entrusted myself to them. We are in his hands, the cat and I.

Overcome with anxiety, I asked another question:
is my cat going to die?
answer: 33.5> 56

I interpret it as being able to save him from the evil that advances, provided he intervenes with serenity and in the right times. Or maybe it means that we are still in time to save him.

Let's hope.

F.

 

[Liselle]

You're doing all you can, Fortuny, and after that it's out of your hands. Hopefully the doctors can help him. There are plenty of humans with epilepsy (if that's even what this is) who control it with medicine. I don't know what's available for cats.

We're all hoping for the best.

 

[Freedda]

Overcome with anxiety, I asked another question:
is my cat going to die?

Fortune, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the mortality rate for cats - just like for people and all the other beings - is 100%. And most all of us have been where you are, with our families, friends, and ... pets. I had to put my cat down, and in deciding to do so, I had to consider her quality of life and her suffering above my own.

Looking again at your original reading, one later commentary for 50.1 is:
'Worthwhile to expel the stagnating: In order to attend to what is valued.'

The word stagnation reminds me of the kidney's function of expelling waste and toxins, that which we might think of as 'stagnation.' The related hexagram has a flame up in heaven .... And the fan yao might be describing our own struggles with the inevitability of death - we don't want to accept it, but in not accepting it are we creating more hardship?

Best, D

 

[rosada]

I used to have seizures from time to time. I've been checked out by all the experts and nothing was found to account for them. The only common thread is that the seizures seemed to happen when I was overly stimulated and my attention was distracted by multiple demands. To much information coming in and not enough time to process one plan before having to drop it and create another. Get dressed to go out but - wait! - get ready for guests coming here, no, go upstairs, etc. etc. Perhaps 50.1 is referring to that frantic feeling when old plans need to be dumped when at the same time new ones are pouring in and you have to decide what to ignore and what to pursue (14).
So I'm thinking the game of trying to focus on the fast moving feather may have sent the old cat into a literal tail spin!

Anyway, from my own experience I would reassure you these occasional seizures don't hurt although there can be a headache for several hours afterwards. But other than that, no brain damage..although some of my family may argue with me on that.

 

[Fortuny1889]

I used to have seizures from time to time. I've been checked out by all the experts and nothing was found to account for them. The only common thread is that the seizures seemed to happen when I was overly stimulated and my attention was distracted by multiple demands. To much information coming in and not enough time to process one plan before having to drop it and create another. Get dressed to go out but - wait! - get ready for guests coming here, no, go upstairs, etc. etc. Perhaps 50.1 is referring to that frantic feeling when old plans need to be dumped when at the same time new ones are pouring in and you have to decide what to ignore and what to pursue (14).
So I'm thinking the game of trying to focus on the fast moving feather may have sent the old cat into a literal tail spin!

Anyway, from my own experience I would reassure you these occasional seizures don't hurt although there can be a headache for several hours afterwards. But other than that, no brain damage..although some of my family may argue with me on that.

Dear Rosada,
thank you for your story. Although cats and humans are different species, it is true that some states of existence share us as disease and pain can be.
From what you tell of your episodes, the following headache may be that my cat also had it, which seemed to me quite lazy and stoned for a few hours after the attack.

Now, some details to understand the diagnosis:
I took this cat last year from an abandoned animal shelter. He had been rescued by a compulsive animal accumulator lady who kept him locked up with other cats in a dark, damp cellar. The cat was already 8/9 years old last year .. nothing is known of his childhood story.

Epilepsy without causes (idiopathic) can mostly occur in young subjects (human children and cat puppies). When instead the subjects are adults / elderly there is almost always a cause in the brain: a virus such as dry FIP, toxoplasmosis (for example) or tumors in the brain, the problem rarely lies in the heart.
This is also to answer those who tell me that epilepsy could be without a cause ... Unfortunately this is not the case.

But there is only one hope that it is an idiopathic epilepsy: we do not know the story of my cat's childhood. Who knows, maybe he already suffered from it when he was young? maybe now that he is old he is reporting some new extemporaneous episode exacerbated by the excitement of the feathers?

This was the purpose of my first question, where the book answered me with 50.1> 14

Let's hope ...
Fortuny

 

[moss elk]

Just to add a thought,
Trauma based non-epilectic siezures are a part of the healing process,
It's much more common in humans than it is in other animals. because they shake it off more quickly. Our big brains cause us to hold on to things longer.

The deer that escapes a tiger will, once safely away from the tiger, have intense brief seizures or shaking. Shaking it off...
expelling what is no longer needed....

 

[rosada]

Like the cat, I also experienced exhaustion after the seizure. LIke every fiber had been exercised to the max.

 

[marybluesky]

Just to add a thought,
Trauma based non-epilectic siezures are a part of the healing process,
It's much more common in humans than it is in other animals. because they shake it off more quickly. Our big brains cause us to hold on to things longer.

The deer that escapes a tiger will, once safely away from the tiger, have intense brief seizures or shaking. Shaking it off...
expelling what is no longer needed....

I had seizures once in early 2013. Its reason was (appearantly) unknown and the doctor I visited in less than one hour had nothing to say: everything was normal again.
Now I can see the reason: I experienced some extremely stressful months in late 2012. I was going through emotional/lifestyle transitions quickly without being able to properly manage the anxiety. It then led to a depressive period where the seizures occurred. Yes, it was the accumulated tension that needed to exit.

 

[Fortuny1889]

UPDATE!

The cat had several other seizures in the weeks after. They were becoming more and more frequent.

Following the vet's instructions, we performed a complete check-up: all the organs, even the heart, were in place. Perfect. So we investigated the nervous system: magnetic resonance imaging with contrast and withdrawal of brain fluid. All right. The cat has nothing, it is very healthy.

Eventually the doctors said that he is a cat that suffers from epileptic seizures without a cause. The seizures are atypical and mild, he has probably always had them since he was a puppy and I can't know, because I took him from a rescue cat when he was already 8 years old.

The incredible thing is that after the outcome of the tests, the cat never had epileptic seizures again. This is inexplicable with rationality ... but this is: my friend is much better now and we are all more serene.

Returning to the answer to the book of this discussion (50.1> 14), now I think that Marybluesky, Rosada and Moss Elk were right.
If this situation was caused by stress, the cat may be. He has been living with us for a year, his past life has certainly been tormented and the insertion into our home, however lucky, was a struggle with the other house cat, on which he had to impose himself to establish their dynamics feline. Now he is the boss there.
Furthermore, we had to undergo a decisive but very demanding dental intervention for him.
All these things are clear to me now in these words of Wilhelm:

You are at the beginning means:

A crucible with upturned legs.
Auspicious to eliminate lumps.
He takes a concubine for the sake of his son.
No stain.

If you turn the crucible over before using it, you don't want to say anything; on the contrary, the filth comes out in this way. A concubine is in itself a low being, but goes up in honor because she has a son. These two parables express the thought that in times of high culture, as they are hinted by the sign, anyone of good will can find a place to settle. However low you are, as long as you are ready to purify yourself, you are accepted. A condition is reached in which one can prove fruitful in the work, thus obtaining recognition.

Maybe my cat was expressing all his past stress and was eliminating it, maybe the recognition got it thanks to our attention for his malaise. When everything was clear .... he no longer needed to eliminate.

Thank you all for participating in the discussion!
Fortuny

 

[Liselle]

after the outcome of the tests, the cat never had epileptic seizures again.

He figures if this is what happens to him, he'd better not be sick.

Seriously, though, I'm very, very happy he's better.

Is he the cat in your avatar? Whoever that is is a very beautiful cat.

I wonder in some weird way if the MRI fixed it? Epilepsy is an electrical type of problem in the brain (I think) - maybe the magnetic forces had an effect somehow?

Your question was why, not how to fix it, but I suppose the MRI machine could be a vessel. I've had an MRI - it seems like a vessel when you're laying in it. "Taking a concubine for her child" - an unconventional solution, making use of something in an unconventional way?

 

[Surfergirl]

Dear all,
I went back to ask for your help to understand Yi's answer on the question I asked about the health of my beloved male cat.

His health worries me a lot.

A few days ago he had a terrible seizure. It happened while I was making him play, he was very excited by the game which consisted of chasing a pack of feathers tied to a rope quickly.
At some point the cat stopped and started to move the upper paw in a strange way, bringing it behind the head. Then he began to wriggle in his hind legs too. After a few seconds he tried to walk towards his refuge, but his walk was totally uncoordinated, he seemed to make too wide and lateral strides, until he collapsed on the ground. Since then he hasn't moved his hind legs for a couple of minutes and was crawling clinging to the floor with his front legs. He certainly had a fever, very fast breathing and his state of consciousness was partial. I made him a video and showed it to the vet the next day.

The video was also shown to the animal neurologist who did not give an exhaustive answer, only very strange behavior. We have already planned many tests (blood, heart and magnetic resonance imaging) to establish a diagnosis.

The cat completely recovered from his acute crisis and after a few minutes and immediately returned to being the usual sweet, loving, playful and a bit lazy cat ever (he is 10 years old!)

But I who can't make out what my friend has, I tried to ask Yi:
Why did Cat have seizures, what was the cause?
answer: 50.1> 14

I read in a discussion here on 50 that the ancient symbol of Ding was a cat

50. Ting / The Caldron

... fornication (from www.etymonline.com) c.1300, from O.Fr. fornication, from L.L. fornicationem (nom. fornicatio), from fornicari "fornicate," from L. fornix (gen. fornicis) "brothel," originally "arch, vaulted chamber" (Roman prostitutes commonly solicited from under the arches of certain...

www.onlineclarity.co.uk

Then the line 1: the legs upside down to release the lumps .. it makes me think that there may be a brain tumor (it is a chance appointed by the vet) ... but I feel too conditioned and too anxious to have lucidity to read the answer.

I'm in pain for my cat .. help, thanks ..

Fortuny

I honestly couldn’t say for certain but my first thought was something in his food. So something he ate/something he’s being fed basically something he invested had an adverse affect.