why does my cat eat dry food only if I put it in his mouth? 38.2.5 to 25

[Fortuny1889]

A bit of history: my male cat recently underwent a very serious dental operation, but now he is very well. The analyzes prior to admission showed a beginning of renal failure so we switched to specific medical food for older cats with these problems.
He eats "kidney" wet and dry food. Wet ok. He eats it but with the dry makes the whims and eats it only if I hand it to him on my fingers.

You understand that doing this in the morning when you have to run into the office is not really comfortable for me. But I have to do it while the female cat eats her normal food, otherwise the male cat takes away the food and the female goes to eat the renal wet food. It looks like a comedy.

I asked Yi why the cat eats only from my hands: 38.1.3> 25
What??? It seems like an answer to my love life, not for the cat's food and mouth.

No come on ... I take a joke right?

Thanks to those who intervene, I hope you find it fun too!

a hug,
F.

 

[Liselle]

Cats and their eating eccentricities are a very sore subject with me at the moment.

38 to 25 - you got 38 again in a cat reading! Here's part of what Hilary says in her book:

'Opposing' describes irreducible differences – desires, motivations and especially ways of seeing that diverge from one another.

25, Without Entanglement, means something that has nothing to do with you.

Combining the two - not really sure, but maybe this is an opposition you don't have to entangle yourself in?

The lines might support that. Copying from Hilary's book:

38.1
'Regrets vanish.
Lost horse: don’t pursue it, it returns of itself.
See hateful people,
No mistake.'

This is all guessing; I can't read cats' minds (if I could, I'd have a lot less stress). I wonder if this line means if you stop hand-feeding him, eventually he'll eat on his own? And if he doesn't, maybe he just doesn't like the food, which could also be 38, and if so there's nothing you can do about that except maybe ask the vet if there's a different flavor or brand you could try.

He might eat food from your hand that he doesn't like because he does like the attention that comes with it. But I'm sure he gets plenty of attention otherwise. There's no need to go through this in the morning, or ever, in my opinion. Maybe sometimes with treats - I could see how hand-feeding might be fun, if it's once in a while and not something you feel forced to do at every meal.

38.3
'Seeing the cart dragged back,
The oxen stopped
Your men branded and their noses cut off.
With no beginning, there is an end.'

Even less sure about this one...I made notes recently about this line that "seeing" these bad things might sometimes mean foreseeing them - and if so, then don't even start the thing in question. ("With no beginning, there is an end" - it's easier to end bad things if you don't do anything to start them - maybe?)

That might pertain, if Yi's being crabby and snippy with you. "Well if you hadn't started this, you wouldn't have a problem now." Yes, Yi, thanks...

Otherwise I don't know.


As for this -

But I have to do it while the female cat eats her normal food, otherwise the male cat takes away the food and the female goes to eat the renal wet food. It looks like a comedy.

- that seems like a different question, to me. It's a related issue, but it wasn't what you actually did the reading about.

 

[Fortuny1889]

Thank you, Liselle!
Your answer is so celar..!

it is possible that he doesn’t like the food, and he keep pleasure when I feed him.

But I have an hilarious update: this afternoon I put his boul for dry food on the top of the kitchen. Well, the cat jumped over there to eat exactly those food.
I love him soooo much!
And he loves me too. I know!

 

[GreenHazel]

Hi Fortuny,

I think he's taking the dry food just out of your hand because he loves you, and wouldn't otherwise eat it.
I have the strong perception he's doing it just to please you.

My cat was urinating blood, risking a blockage by crystals and was very very ill, but water and wet food saved him. I have since stopped all dry food. If you think about it what a cat would eat if free in nature would be "wet" food only (mice, birds etc). Also, dry food, even premium one, is extremely dodgy from the ingredients point of view; you really don't know what you are feeding your cat with. Possibly, lots of grains and starch, which is poison for cats. I only take the liberty to tell you this as I did the same mistake, and today I think it wasn't a coincidence my cat became ill.

I have actually asked the IC very recently what was the real cause of his terrible cystitis and got Hex 21.
I was pretty amazed reading line 4: "Biting dry preserved meat".

Your 38.3 line could actually mean " If you don't begin (to hand feed him yourself,) he would naturally stop". Just an interpretation, of course... but 38 talks about having different views anyway, perhaps see things from his point of view?

I offer here below something that changed my cat's life, for the better. I really hope it can help you two.

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Plus, my emergency tip: if the cat gets bad, urinates blood, he's dehydrated of course take him to the vet straight away but a syringe of mineral water (120 ml) directly in his mouth daily can really, really help.


With our warmest wishes (also from my cat )

 

[Liselle]

I have actually asked the IC very recently what was the real cause of his terrible cystitis and got Hex 21.

I often think of 21 as the nutcracker from The Nutcracker - teeth and jaws cracking a nut. Which is exactly what cats do when they chew their kibble.

I feed mine a combination of wet and dry, but fortunately they drink water from a dish pretty well. Some cats won't, from what I understand.

Water in a syringe is a good idea, too. I'd had cats for years before our current vet said to give 3ml (or a bit more if they'll take it) from a syringe after pills, so the pill doesn't get stuck and cause esophagus erosion. Why hadn't I thought of that years ago / why hadn't any other vet suggested it to me!? Poor cats.

Of course there's a way to do it and a way not to, but it's pretty easy, at least with my cats (bless them).

 

[GreenHazel]

Thoughts on Hexagram 25:

Legge:

Of the two Chinese characters which symbolize Innocence, one is the symbol of being reckless, and often of being insincere; these two characters in combination describe a state of entire freedom from such a condition. The subject of the hexagram therefore, is one who is simple and sincere

The Image ​

Legge: Thunder rolls under heaven, and everything manifests its original nature, free from all insincerity. The ancient kings, in accordance with this, made their regulations in complete accordance with the seasons, thereby nourishing all things.

NOTES AND PARAPHRASES​

The ancient kings in the Image are mentioned by name in seven hexagrams
Here, the Image shows them synchronizing their laws with the "laws of nature" -- an archetypal concept which is found in many mystical traditions.

Perhaps the need for food that is less sophisticated? And the advice to synchronize yourself with something more natural, both as in the type of food and perhaps also in not "forcing" him to eat it?


Then, reading through all lines, just to understand possible developments, also this caught my attention:

Legge:

The fifth line, dynamic, shows one who is free from insincerity, and yet has fallen ill. Let him not use medicine, and he will have occasion for joy in his recovery.

One of the articles in the links that I gave you in the previous post, talks about how prescription diets are often very low quality, perhaps they are not "simple and sincere".


Hope this can help, again is just my interpretation.

 

[Liselle]

prescription diets are often very low quality

Oh marvelous. You'd certainly never know it from the price of them.

My cat seems to be doing well on his, though. He's shown improvements each time he's had blood tests since his kidney diagnosis earlier this year, and his results a few weeks ago were nearly perfect. The only thing that's being done is prescription food (no medicine yet, nor any subcutaneous fluid supplementation).

I think it's possible to find sources on every side of everything, though. I've read things which say cat food branded as "natural" isn't good either, because while it may indeed be natural, it doesn't contain things cats need. Other food is supplemented because it has to be, because no one's figured out how to feed mice to indoor cats (er, in a way humans could possibly live with).

I have no idea. I just go by what our vet says and hope for the best, I guess.


On a lighter note. There are things I don't get about T. Swift, but I appreciate her cat motherhood.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1189252505026387968

 

[Fortuny1889]

Dear cat friends,
I adored your every intervention.

As for the food of my cats, I try to give them the best. I fed them with moist natural supplementing with complete nutrient kibbles they need. Now that the male has specific needs, I administer both dry and moist but all kidney food. The other cat eats normal and the problems starts here.
I tried to make food for them but they didn't eat it. For example, turkey and vegetables jars cooked by me, but they did not look at that jelly.
So, despite myself, I continued to give the industrial one. I choose the best I can find and spend more and this is the best I can do.

I like to think that my cat eats from my fingers to exchange affection with me, I hope he doesn't feel forced into this.

38.2 and 38.5 make me think of this: someone forced to meet his intended lord (me or him, is the same) and then make his way with his teeth through the casing .... the cat has few teeth now, perhaps the crunchy Is it tiring to collect from the bowl for him?

On the 25th, it makes me think of the innocence of animals. As if to say that they do not have intentions designed, they are pure instinct and strategic behaviors aimed at survival: therefore his instinct leads him to trust me, that's why he takes the dry food from my hands.

please understand ...

on the 21st: I too had gone out with a reading on my other cat. She had bitten me and in reading, in fact she sank her teeth into soft flesh (mine!). My love, I also loved her while she bit me ferociously to save herself from some kind of fear.

what to say?
Cats are wonderful people.

 

[GreenHazel]

I know. Cat food is a pickle. As it probably is keeping a cat indoor, and many other things about cats, whom we love just because they are still a bit wild and it's difficult to put them into boxes.

And no, we can't feed them mice. And I, too, gave him just super premium, natural kibble.
Still, he got ill. He's been on a long prescription diet, lots of antibiotics, anti- inflammatory and what not.
I'm not saying these are not useful in case of emergency, but in my personal experience, lots of water, wet grain free and vegetables free food, no stress and huge efforts in enriching his environment were the best cure for him.

Yes. Cats AND cats people are wonderful people