Will Coronavirus Return in the Fall? 16 UC

[marybluesky]

Although the scientists say that the coronavirus isn't sensitive to the warm temperature, they warn about the epidemic return during the autumn. I wonder how a return is logically possible without a leaving in first place; in other words, if the virus doesn't fade with the summer's hotness then it won't go anywhere to return later.

Anyway I asked the I Ching: Will the coronavirus return during the fall? and got hexagram 16 uc.

Sounds like the idea is more of an illusion.

Any thoughts?

 

[Olga Super Star]

I bet it won’t!

 

[marybluesky]

I bet it won’t!

I wish so. On the other thread we guessed that September will mark the end of crisis (I hope this September). Let's see.

 

[marybluesky]

Hang on it hasn't even gone anywhere it's still here. Are you on another planet ?

???
Have you read the entire post? I'm talking about the scientists' prediction. They have used the word "return".

‘Strike again’: US scientist predicts coronavirus return in fall

But Dr Anthony Fauci says if the virus does re-emerge, it would not be a repeat of the major crisis the US faces now.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Trojina]

I misread your post so deleted that.

I thought you meant you thought it had gone and it hasn't, not on this planet anyway. Rereading you weren't exactly saying that though I'm not that clear what you were saying ?

Maybe as I heard on the news today there's no guarantee having had the virus will give immunity, they don't know whether it does or doesn't. Because of this 'second waves' can occur. I don't know what you mean by 'come back' as you say it hasn't gone anywhere.

If restrictions are lifted then there will be a surge in cases, that's to be expected, so here at least in the UK it looks like restrictions will be lifted then applied again, back and forth. it won't be a case of just going back to normal virus gone

I don't understand what you mean by 'return in the fall', it won't have left by the fall not unless you believe the lunatic you have as a president ?

 

[Lavalamp]

The viable survival time of flu viruses is generally longer at low temperatures with low humidity, and shorter with high temperatures and high humidity. At 90° and high humidity, a flu virus will last about an hour, at 43° with low humidity they will remain viable more than 23 hours.
But there is a contradiction in warm climates that do not expereince winter. In thoses areas, the month following high humidity and a lot of rain is when the flu hits. They don't know why. They can't find a difference in the immuno response of the hamsters they use as test subjects that is weather related.
I think the better weather will diminsh the virus and it may not return. Because the previous coronavirus SARS disappeared with the better weather and there have been no new cases since 2004. And because in the State of California - a very warm state generally - they have an infection rate just looking at the current stats of 23,338 out of 40,000,000 people. That's an infection rate of 0.05834%. Given the highly contagious nature of Covid-19, it is possible the better weather in California is suppressing the virus.
And of course, I do believe Mother Nature loves us and this stupid virus they removed from bats and then let escape a Wuhan Bio lab is man's fault - not Mother Nature's.
- LL

 

[marybluesky]

Trojina I don't think the coronavirus is gone, and Trump isn't my president. In fact I'm not western neither I live in the western part of the world.

The health experts- and not only in the US- talk about the return of coronavirus, which implies the number of patients decreasing during summer, then picking during autumn. I know that the lift of social distancing will raise the infection rate, and that we have little information about the virus, so can't say what will happen in the future.

I doubted the return because according to WHO, exposing yourself to the sun or high temperature doesn't protect you from catching the disease. Then why should the numbers decrease by the summer and re-pick with the colder temperature in the fall?

So I asked the I Ching if there will be any "return".

P.S: English isn't my mother tongue, so maybe I haven't explained my idea clearly.

 

[marybluesky]

And because in the State of California - a very warm state generally - they have an infection rate just looking at the current stats of 23,338 out of 40,000,000 people. That's an infection rate of 0.05834%. Given the highly contagious nature of Covid-19, it is possible the better weather in California is suppressing the virus

I have thought about the fact that the infection rates are considerably lower in the countries of southern hemisphere, where the epidemic stared in the warm temperature of late summer. Scientists haven't approved any meaningful relation between the temperature and the virus survival, but who knows? If the good temperature indeed lowers the risk of catching coronavirus, then the possibility of another pick in the autumn makes more sense.

 

[Olga Super Star]

I don’t think risks just depends on the temperature, activity and trade relations play a fundamental role too. The virus burst out where there is more physical contact and trading relations, where people live close to each other: New York, Milan.. not Oslo nor Edinburgh but active and crammed cities. Not beachy and relaxed Barcelone but active Madrid.
It can reach the countryside too but it won't be likely to spread anywhere if people live far from each other.
Then certainly the kissing habit in Italy/Spain/France hastened the spreading too compared to Germany and England where people don’t kiss unless they have met at least once.
It’s very easy to catch and little depends on government measures now. We are all locked down but not as they were in China.. a lot of people keep working and walking their dog, so figures are slowing down much slower than expected.

 

[Lavalamp]

Again if the flu virus is any example, it is NOT just temperature, in studies it is in combination with humidity. Humidity may impede the viruses ability to remain airborn, for example.
Except in warm climates where there is no winter, as I detailed previously, humidity and rain bring on the virus.
Yes the cornovirus is not the flu, but it does suggest the behavior of seasonal viruses vs non-seasonal ones.
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2014/the-reason-for-the-season-why-flu-strikes-in-winter/

- LL

 

[rosada]

Are people’s immune systems more vulnerable at certain times of the year?

 

[Virupaksha]

I wish so. On the other thread we guessed that September will mark the end of crisis (I hope this September). Let's see.

I've been using Huang's book and he provides calendar months for some of the readings. I can't find in my journal the exact hexagrams but I distinctly remember two different times I asked about "when will this end" and the hexagram's relevant month both times was September.

 

[rosada]

We usually frown on "yes-or-no" questions but the oracle for 16 sounds like the battle continues:
"Fruitful to set up feudal lords and mobilize the armies."

 

[Lavalamp]

Are people’s immune systems more vulnerable at certain times of the year?

They have no proof of this, they tried studying hamster's immune response and could find no difference (hanster are good test subjects because the flu is transmissable to them.) Anyway the contradiction with how viruses behave in warm climates and in climates thant have winter is yet to be explained.
If I were a researcher I would wonder if human respiratory mucous membranes, rather than the entire immune system, are significantly different depending on the season.

- LL

 

[marybluesky]

Well, we are going through the second big wave which seems to be more dangerous than the first- so yeah, the illness somehow returned with more vigor.
So the hexagram 16 meant "yes" here- it didn't refer to an illusion, but to rallying the forces perhaps?

 

[Olga Super Star]

I lost my bet

 

[moss elk]

Hi Mary,
16 isn't really about Illusions.
That notion is like a barnacle on the body of knowledge: it somehow got attached, but doesn't really belong there.
I know you didn't make it up.

The Image, Oracle, and 5 lines contain no such references.
Only one line has anything that falls into that realm of such meaning (line 3)
22 is much more about illusions than 16.

Out of the people:


Roars Thunder:

Enthusiasm, Enthusiastically.

The virus may proliferate with gusto in the fall.

The Scientists have said that since the outset. We have cold and flu seasons,
and covid is in the 'cold' family, although it is more lethal.

 

[Viru10]

I lost my bet too lol. Really thought October would be the endpoint of the pandemic.

The Scientists have said that since the outset. We have cold and flu seasons,
and covid is in the 'cold' family, although it is more lethal.

To be fair the virus spread just fine in the summer, especially in the south and southwest US where it was even warmer than the north. Humidity and temperature didn't affect it much. I mean it survived Florida. Florida.

Agree 16 seems to bode well for the virus.

 

[GreenBird]

Hex 16 in personal readings: Something enthusiastically spreading, knowing no boundaries...

 

[Trojina]

Here in the UK it was always predicted it would return in the autumn especially as it never went away. I mean no one surely expected there wouldn't be a second wave.

16 can very much be to do with foreseeing hence imagining and making ready. Envisioning.

There was so much of that here. Special hospitals in cities erected in a short space of time but not used in my city for example. So there's the forward envisioning, imagining and then the making ready. 16uc by itself does not say whether or not something will or won't happen. So Yi didn't give a direct answer IMO. If hospitals were made ready it meant people were acting according to a vision of Covid really getting a grip, they envisaged that before it hit really hard. Some of their planning they didn't turn out to need fortunately but I think some are planning to reopen now for the autumn. So much of this is about what is envisaged but has not yet happened. It does depend on a lot of factors afterall.

And of course it makes sense to always think in terms of the pair, here 15, dealing with what is as it is. Doing what is necessary. 15 and 16 are 2 sides of the same coin.

 

[diamanda]

@marybluesky in my readings, in yes/no questions, 16 unchanging plays out as 'yes'.

 

[rosada]

When I get 16. Enthusiasm I think of the song We Will Rock You - a simple steady rhythm that one modest man (15) could make walking alone but if a group joins together it becomes a powerful vibration like elephants marching. A vibration not easily silenced.

 

[Lavalamp]

Enthusiasm is marching out to war with trumpets or fifes and drums, or a boxer trash talking his opponent, or a lover singing, wooing the object of their affection. You could in reality win, lose or draw, be lucky or unlucky, but you don't go out into a contest saying "oh man this guy is so big, he's gonna kick my ass! or "Oh man she is so out of my league!"
So the "illusion" part of the reading is kind of a translation thing I think, sometimes no, you cannot back up all the talk you are putting out about being the baddest MF on the planet with your skill set, or that you are really capable of loving her more than any man ever loved a woman ever.
But when you go out to do battle in love and war, you do it with all the sound and fury and passion you can muster.
That's "enthusiasm." Like plumage on a beautiful bird. A bit like "Grace" which shines a flattering light on things, although not necessarily on inferior qualities as in the case of "grace."
Enthusiasm doesn't really say if you can back it up, or not. But hey - be positive. That's a big part of life.

- LL