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Will Jeremy Corbyn resign??! 41.2.3.4.6 > 55

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I asked this today, after so many of his cabinet have resigned and he has faced vote of no confidence. I wondered would he resign, or go through with second leadership contest, even without parliamentary support?

41.2.3.4.6 > 55


Line 2, Wing: When aiding others, be certain to maintain your sense of dignity. If the nature of your task diminishes your strength or compromises your principles, or if you sacrifice your personality to please your superior, you are acting shamefully. Only efforts that do not diminish your Self are worthwhile.
Line 2, Wu: It is advantageous to be firm and correct, but foreboding to go ahead. His decision of not taking a loss will benefit the other.
Line 3, Liu: Three people walking together will lose one. When one walks alone, he will meet a friend.
Line 4, Liu: If he decreases his sickness (or faults) quickly, he will be happy. No blame.
Line 6, Liu: If one increases (gains) without anyone decreasing (losing), no blame. To continue brings good fortune. It is beneficial to go somewhere else; one will find a helper after leaving home.

My interpretation - he will resign and in doing so will find helpers and good fortune. To continue in the current fashion will only bring him unhappiness, but he will give way and be correct in doing so.

What does anyone else think?
 
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41 Decrease > 55 Abundance - by losing something he stands to gain more?
 

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I wondered would he resign, or go through with second leadership contest, even without parliamentary support?
41.2.3.4.6 > 55
55 as a resulting hexagram usually plays out as a continuation of the current situation.
So I think it means that despite any initial losses (41), he will be increased (see lines) and will continue (55).

41.2 - Labour recently got 60,000 new members, it was increased.
41.3 - A lot of his former supporters / solid partners are going to leave Labour.
41.4 - Corbyn will correct his faults (become more specific and more vocal..?), more people will join.
41.6 - The new members of Labour will be 'servants' (opportunists). Corbyn won't be harmed.
 

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Well, that's a possible rendering but the whole line set could be taken any number of ways....

I hope you're right though, not because I'm a supporter of either right/left politics but because I think he's a principled man, which is pretty rare in politics. He knows exactly why he's getting so much flak (anti-semitism accusations in the party and carefully encouraged revolt) and this is why he's determined not to get ousted. But although he's quite famous for his tenacity I'm not hopeful since the Establishment dogs are very keen for him to go during these brexit negotiations since he is very critical of the EU structure, even though he was in the remain camp. He is also against EU war mongering and corporatism which means he isn't flavour of the month on that score either.

Yesterday I asked: Can you give me a picture - at this moment in time - of Corbyn's prospects for staying on as leader?

29.3>48

He's in a pit - best stop struggling and wait it out. Sometimes not acting is the best defence otherwise you just sink lower. Hexagram 48 as the background might refer to how he uses his energy within the "village" i.e. the Labour Party; how he can re-distribute this energy to his members' advantage, and by extension, those that support him in the wider sphere, if he treads carefully. This also complements the "less is more" theme of 41.

That may not be enough however.
 

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Thanks both. It's complicated because he can't continue without the support of the PLP and the new members are not necessary joining to support him,, so we can't assume that gains and losses are as they appear. The party might break down as a result of his continued leadership meaning chaos for millions of constituents and their MPs even if he has member support.

29.3 doesn't look good for his prospects.
 

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This is truly stunning...

I read that the UK Labour party members have began voting, to decide if their next leader is going to be Jeremy Corbyn, or Owen Smith. I asked:

Is Jeremy Corbyn going to be the next leader? 41.2.3.4.6 > 55
Is Owen Smith going to be the next leader? 59.3.5 > 18


Then I remembered there was a sort of recent thread about Corbyn, and I searched for it to see what the previous predictions about him were saying. I just can't believe the double 41.2.3.4.6 > 55 answer! Even after endless years the I Ching just never ceases to amaze me.

Reading the news, it sounds like Owen Smith is a much stronger candidate. However I think that these readings point to Corbyn winning this duel. The initial question was "will he resign" and he didn't, he stayed on. So now the question is "is he going to be the next leader" - I'm assuming that again it means he will again stay on, as unlikely as it sounds.

What do you all think?
 

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when I read the start of this post I though the lines meant that he would stay on. I am not a very experienced reader but that is what the lines said to me. Also, although I know little about Jeremy He must have a good backbone to resist his enemies that way so I wish him well.
 

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Update / outcome

Results were out earlier on today: Jeremey Corbyn has won, he remains the leader of the Labour Party.
 

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This is a fantastic thread.

Diamanda, do you have any interpretations of 59.3.5 in light of what happened with the election and Smith?
 

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59.3 - he dissolves himself
59.5 - loud cries, the king abides without blame
18 - a can of worms

I think 59.3 refers to the fact that OS wasn't acting on behalf of 'himself' - he represents the Blairites.
59.5, maybe this means he overdid it with his rhetorics? I take the 'king' in this case to refer to Corbyn.
And with 18 as the resulting hexagram he just didn't look to me as heading for leadership.
 
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There was a poll at a Primary School, where I was teaching. Years 5 and 6 (ages 9-11).
The pupils had to make a comment about the different two leaders - based on their visual performance and also their stances on key issues. Since most of the class had no real outside influence on this (most had not heard of either of them). It was interesting that Corbyn won 92 per cent of the votes -
The main reason was that he looked like a nice (or similar) man....
 

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