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Id like some input on 28.5, a withered poplar puts forth flowers, an older woman takes a husband. Some of the interpretations Ive read see this as a symbol of new growth, but others, such as Wilhelm, appear to see it as exhausting ones energies and causing an already deteriorating situation to deteriorate faster. Id like comments on which interpretation you follow and why you see it that way.
why the double standards between 28.2 and 28.5 ?
if we receive those lines and its not for a relationship , how else we could read old and young. I read it as incompatibility , not correct or proper, but according to whom ? the mores of the era the book was written? ( especially in 28.5) Common sense ?
well, i still think the cougars and the codgers belong together. but the codgers gotta be in good shape!
That's sorta the point as I see 28. 2 or 5. Line 2 is up to it. It makes sense, there can easily be seen compatibility of needs and wants. Line 5 seems mostly to be going through the motions, when perhaps by that stage of life, one might set their sights on other, less earth shattering things.
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why the double standards between 28.2 and 28.5 ?
The difference between 28.2 and 28.5 is fertile vs futile then?
****, I should be a millionaire star, if only I was younger. I'll make up for it, lease a Bentley and head to Vegas. is a line 5 attitude. or - Oh, what's the use. I'll put it away or sell it. also a line 5 attitude. Doing a good thing for the wrong reason, or unwilling to do it at all. Too much compensation garbage going on to simply play for the joy of playing.
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The fertility angle seems most logical. An old man in relative good health can spawn offspring; an old woman cannot. This is not a gender bias, it's a fact of life. On the other hand, like most gender references in the IC, it's important not to take it literally. 28.2 indicates tangible results; 28.5 may be amusing and even blameless, but indicates little of consequence as a result.
The resultant hexes are informative. 28.2 > 31 Sensing, promising marriage and all that entails (with many cautions of falling into sensuality and wanting). 28.5 > 32 Constancy: excruciatingly slow advance with many setbacks.
28 Wilhelm PREPONDERANCE OF THE GREAT.
The ridgepole sags to the breaking point.
It furthers one to have somewhere to go.
Success.
The lake rises above the trees:
The image of PREPONDERANCE OF THE GREAT.
Thus the superior man, when he stands alone,
Is unconcerned,
And if he has to renounce the world,
He is undaunted.
31 (Wilhelm) Influence. Success.
Perseverance furthers.
To take a maiden to wife brings good fortune.
A lake on the mountain:
The image of influence.
Thus the superior man encourages people to approach him
By his readiness to receive them.
32( Wilhelm)
DURATION. Success. No blame.
Perseverance furthers.
It furthers one to have somewhere to go.
Thunder and wind: the image of DURATION.
Thus the superior man stands firm
And does not change has direction.
lowly might be the young girl ?28.2 From the point of view of politics, the meaning is that in exceptional times
one does well to join with the lowly, for this affords a possibility of renewal.
28.5 Applied to politics, the metaphor means that if in times of insecurity we
give up alliance with those below us and keep up only the relationships we
have with people of higher rank, an unstable situation is created.
Giving duration to one's character through perseverance.
This is good fortune for a woman, misfortune for a man.
twilightshadow:
I could also see it as being how we approach the situation. Maybe we exhaust our energies if we expect too much out of it?
that there is not as much potential in the situation as we had hoped.
Hi, María:looking at Wilhelm's comments ...
32.5 ( fan yao) supports that , i think. ...
Giving duration to one's character through perseverance.
This is good fortune for a woman, misfortune for a man.
Id like some input on 28.5, a withered poplar puts forth flowers, an older woman takes a husband. Some of the interpretations Ive read see this as a symbol of new growth, but others, such as Wilhelm, appear to see it as exhausting ones energies and causing an already deteriorating situation to deteriorate faster. Id like comments on which interpretation you follow and why you see it that way.
I see 28.5 as not necessarily about age and reproduction, but as a matter of maturity, emotional maturity. An emotionally mature woman with an immature man. A "parent-child" relationship. Where one partner is in "child mode", in some way not able to engage as an equal, as an adult in the relationship, not able to take responsibility for his contribution to a situation. Could be unable to engage in problem solving, to listen respectfully, and express feelings in a non-threatening, constructive way, or to share financial costs etc... Sometimes its not just immaturity, but there can be an underlying condition, eg mood swings, or some kind of disability, alcoholism... It takes a lot of endurance, a lot of giving. And the parenting partner never gets all their needs met... Hence the "infertility". That said, the joy we get out of a relationship is a very personal matter. If other essential needs are met, for a a deep connection, companionship, fondness, sex whatever...,if it fills a void, a need to be needed... Who is to say what is right or wrong? 28.5 says: this is what it would look like, is that what you want? Its a choice, there is no blame,no praise. Anyway, this is another take on it! I
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