Yi and antidepressants

[cris]

Doc got me on some new prescription. I am not convinced.

Taking the antidepressants? 12.0

No brainer: clear no. Thoughts?

 

[Hans_K]

My advice would be to never experiment with this kind of medicine yourself regardless of what the Yi says. You cannot just stop taking antidepressants, you have to phase this out.
So go to your doctor and tell him/her you want to stop and make a plan together with him/her to phase it out.

 

[cris]

It’s a new prescription - not been on antidepressants before. I’m wondering if I should start taking the medications.

 

[Hans_K]

The text of the Image of H12 says:

Thus the superior person restrains himself and preserves his
inner virtue
In order to escape difficulties and hardships.
He does not allow himself to be honored with rank or salary.

The question is, is this about not taking the medication, or about your intention not to take medication?
In the latter case, I would see this as advice not to follow the intention.
Personally, I would go back to that doctor and discuss your doubts about the medication with him/her

 

[cris]

I plain told them I was not keen. They ignored my statement.

It's not about the doctor, however. It's about medications that induce dependence, and that I as a patient do not consider necessary.

 

[Hans_K]

I understand that it is not about the doctor but about the medication, but this kind of medication and the reason why it is prescribed are serious things, it is not just a pill for a headache .
When a doctor does not take you seriously then I think it is time to look for another one. An equal relationship seems crucial to me in your situation
H12 also refers to that, it is about there being no communication between Heaven ( the authority) and Earth ( the receiving party).

 

[Trojina]

In the UK doctors hand out antidepressants for anything, I don't think they do take it that seriously. They don't just give antidepressants to very depressed people they give them to people with chronic pain or anxiety or lack of sleep, they really are very ready to hand them out. And with the NHS you can't really shop doctors most of the time you can't even get through to make an appointment. It's likely different according to where you live but in the UK it's no big deal it seems to be almost their first line of treatment if they can't figure out what's wrong with a person. They hand them out to anybody and everybody quite frankly and so one often has to make a choice by oneself and one's own research.

I do agree generally people need their doctors advice over Yi's with medication I'm just saying often it comes down to one's choice. If you are suffering with something and their idea is you change your brain chemistry to deal with it well sometimes it's a very good idea and other times I reckon it can be a sledgehammer to crack a nut, ie overkill.

I don't think Cris is in UK, I don't know, it's just I don't think these days doctors see antidepressants as a big deal possibly because they aren't so problematic/addictive as they were.

 

[Trojina]

Re the reading 12 is a bit of a dead end - and often/sometimes we are seen as units rather than actual people by others in the 12 experiences. 12 favours the small person not the great one. It's not always bad being a small person because sometimes it's in our interests to submit to other's regulations and so on or we may not have a choice.

I think 12 here is saying this is a lesser option, it's less than you are or to put it bluntly it's a solution that's beneath you in that it's aimed at the lowest/least fluid or creative outcome. But, and it's a big but, in this instance we don't know how you are, we aren't Drs and I ought not really to suggest you don't take them.
Also it's possible to interpret 12 here as you need to be the small person for a while and accept you can't make headway at a 12 time of not being well? That wouldn't be my first impression here though. I guess level of suffering for you is the crucial factor. I always worry with questions like these that a very distressed/suffering person might not take meds they need because of readings, that would be awful. But I trust you'd go in the end by weighing up suffering versus impact of meds etc etc


I think if you connected to the thought 'Oh actually I'm not well, I'm in a 12 place, I need to be the smaller person and follow this medication advice' if that idea rang true to you it might be worth considering. I think you'll know by how that feels whether it is a true possibility or not.

 

[cris]

Thanks Hans and Trojina. You both brought up a few interesting elements I had not considered. I'll get back to you after some pondering.

 

[millionsoftrees]

My knowledge of Yi is comparatively limited, so my response will be more as a fellow person who’s had experience with depression (my last thread was a casting regarding it, actually).

It’s nigh impossible to know what your circumstances are, but if don’t want to take psychiatric meds, and are looking for more root methods to support emotional and mental wellness, I have to say that what I’ve been learning about how gut health and environmental factors like lighting and EMF affect us is mindblowing. I’ve been slowly learning from some of Barbara O’Neills video lectures. Really amazing stuff.

I understand why, but some folks are very hesitant to support stances that go against the status quo, so I’ll share my dissenting voice. It’s easy to say “we should take our doctor’s advice” but doctors are fallible. Especially in this niche. People are starting to wake up to how we’ve been collectively bamboozled by white coats. Mainstream big pharma doctors these days are giving out brain altering Rx like candy. Do people “need” them at all is a good question to ask… we’ve been programmed for generations that we “need” all sorts of things. It only takes a quick search to find support groups for people whose brain chemistries and neurologies have been permanently damaged from them! I really want to avoid soapboxing here, so I’ll just say, regardless of the Yi, if the doctor who you’ve consulted didn’t want to listen and respond fairly to your complaint and vision for your treatment, that’s a pretty negative energy to begin a medication course with. Are you receiving other therapy, whether talk, somatic, spiritual, homeopathic, coaching, whatever? I don’t need to know, I’m only asking to point out that that taking antidepressants without being integrated into a holistic treatment plan is a red flag. I think you should trust your intuition, Seems to me 12 is reflecting what you’ve already sort of decided: “Thus the superior man falls back upon his inner worth in order to escape the difficulties.”

 

[my_key]

Hi cris

People have already alluded to the broken relationships that can develop between medical practitioners and their patients. Depression is a serious affliction in this current day and age and it probably impacts about 90% of people at some point in their life. The mantra that was sung loud and clear and has grown in the last 40 odd years about antidepressants and depression is now being challenged, although it still has a strong hold in the way many medical practitioners think about dispensing antidepressants at the drop of a hat.

If you have come away from your doctor feeling unheard or not fully informed about the effectiveness and consequences of starting antidepressants and perhaps more importantly the best way to stop taking antidepressants when the time feels right, then you have not been fully informed. The most important thing for you when agreeing to start a new medication is that you feel informed enough to confidently give your consent: this allows you to retain your power in the decision making process. Informed consent, as it is called, is a keystone in starting any medical treatment. The benefits of taking / having the treatment, you sincerely believe, will outweigh the downside of not taking it.

This You Tube Video is one of the best I have seen and heard on this subject. It relates to recent (last 2/3 years) peer reviewed scientific papers and articles and contains material that is directed to helping you, and others, to become better informed. From that lofty place you can make your own decisions or perhaps go back to your doctor to have further discussions about what is right for you.

With regards to the reading " Taking the anti depressants?" Hex 12

Hex 12 is named by Alfred Huang as 'Hinderance' and advocates in the Image to 'restrain himself with virtue to avoid calamities.' Hardships have arrived (great going / small arriving) and are best addressed through nurturing and nourishing of self and adapting to what manifests in your inner and outer world. It's in your interest to reverse the way you would normally address matters and do not allow yourself to become the victim in all this - retain your power.

Remember, that the driving force behind Hex 12 is the nuclear Hex 53 - ' Developing Gradually' which again calls for a focus on being steadfast and upright and to 'live a life of virtue'. This will ensure the hinderance will fade as your virtue increases.

... or you may prefer other interpretations.

Good Luck

 

[cris]

Hello All,
4 months down the line - I never took the antidepressants, neither did I go back to the MD who prescribed them. In hindsight, I believe Yi was merely mirroring / confirming my own feeling.
Thanks again for your help - @millionsoftrees I appreciated your alternative views, and @my_key I loved both the video and the channel!
Happy Holidays everyone