Yi Jing For The Spiritual Traveler - free download until 31 dec.

[Jian Lee]

Hello dear Yi Jing lovers!

This is my first post in this forum, although I have been roaming around here for many years.

It is my pleasure to present to you a new Yi Jing work, which took more than 2 decades to complete (working off and on).

This forum has proven to be a wonderful resource of questions to study, and some comments of knowledgeable members have proven most useful for exploring certain angles, ideas, or information.

I apologize for not having participated sooner in the exchanges here, but I found it inappropriate to do so before publishing my book.

As a "thank you" to all those who have been contributing to this forum, and as a winter solstice present, I'm giving away my book (more than 900 pages) for free, until dec. 31, 2019!

The direct download link for the full PDF is
[available from Jian Lee on request]

After this date, the book will go on sale. How, where, and at what price is still under consideration, so an update will be posted here.

I created a small website for the book, at the following (temporary) URL:
[redacted]

It also offers an archive of a selection of questions with my interpretations. I lifted a number of questions from this forum. If you like to check if a question of yours is there, then search the page using your forum name, it should come up.

It seemed inappropriate to post these interpretations here, as generally they are from very old topics. But if you feel some should be copy+pasted here, then feel free to do that.

You can find the archive (of presently 83 questions + answers) at
[redacted]

If you have questions about any of these, it will be a pleasure to answer them.

The main goal for writing this book has been to "fill in the blanks", providing indications where the traditional Yi Jing texts and contemporary versions leave them open, or uncertain, all the while staying as close as possible to the "received text".

It will be great to read about your experiences with this text. Does it offer clarification where other versions leave room for doubt? Is it easy to read, regardless of the unusual text presentation and the many brackets? Do you agree with the texts (names, image, judgment, lines, etc)? Did you find a typo?

You might like to read the text for castings you did in the past, or new ones, and see how it works for you.

I hope you will enjoy it, and will find it helpful.

Happy winter solstice!

JL

 

[Trojina]

Hang on, you've copied in questions and answers from this website ???

Like this one


(link removed - later website found to be cover for homophobic, anti-Semitic, racist and sexist content....later found taking stuff from this site was nothing at all compared to the concealed far right propaganda written/hidden in this person's website)

'What is the meaning of deja vu ?' is a question copied from this website ? How much more of this website have you copied ?


This isn't your book but you taking things from this website ? Not sure to what extent will look further.

If you are taking stuff from this website you have no book to sell or give away free. Hope I'm wrong ! @hilary

 

[Trojina]

If you have questions about any of these, it will be a pleasure to answer them.

On entering your website the first thing I see is a copied question from goddessliss from 2010 from this website ? How come ?

Ah you have mentioned Clarity forum on this one did you ask permission from the people here ?

 

[Trojina]

This forum has proven to be a wonderful resource of questions to study, and some comments of knowledgeable members have proven most useful for exploring certain angles, ideas, or information.

You can't put forum members comments in your 'book' as if it were yours and then make out you are doing us a favour by giving us the ripped off material back free ! It's not yours to start with so you have nothing to give away. @Liselle


I like how it says 'gathered resources for a new commentary' please donate. You have basically just lifted a ton of stuff from this website without permission of the authors. It all looks a bit of a mess though quite frankly.

 

[Jian Lee]

Hello Trojina,

Rest assured, my book is not about copying content from this website, nor is my little website. I merely see this forum as a (public) source of questions to study, just as what I can find in books, or anywhere else. So I lifted a number of the questions posted here, however none of the comments or interpretations of members, although of course some interpretations will be according to the general meanings of the answers.

In the introduction, I did quote a text from one of the pages on this website concerning yes/no issues, a story about the farmer named Sei Weng, and 1 question lifted from this forum, both with links to the sources. That's it.

Hope that sits well with you. It is not my intent to cause anyone offense.

All the best,
JL

P.S. By the way, I have regularly seen comments by you, and appreciate them. Thanks!

 

[Trojina]

Mmm not really a matter of being offended it's that you surely can't create a website where you say you have archives but they are actually the archives of this forum. You don't have archives

You have even taken the name of the querent, goddessliss not sure where the commentary such as it is from I'd have to look it up and then see who wrote the responses to see if you have lifted them as well.

 

[Trojina]

So I lifted a number of the questions posted here, however none of the comments or interpretations of members, although of course some interpretations will be according to the general meanings of the answers.

You 'lifted'them ? You have left in the names of the members who asked the questions !! And now you want to sell the book back to the very people who wrote it for you ???

 

[Trojina]

This one here doesn't make a lot of sense given we don't know what 'C' 'IC' 'FC' and 'FIC' mean ??

I lifted a number of questions from this forum. If you like to check if a question of yours is there, then search the page using your forum name, it should come up.

You shouldn't have anyone's questions there without their permission. All I'd say is if you have any of mine remove them immediately they aren't yours.

You might like to read the text for castings you did in the past, or new ones, and see how it works for you

.

You think it's okay just to steal people's readings from here without their permission, using their forum names, making out it's your own book or website and then charging money for it ???

That's kind of lazy. You could have used ideas from here and made them into your comments/work but you have just lifted them straight up as they are. I don't know if there's any law against this, I'm not happy with it and I certainly think you have a cheek thinking we will pay you for what we have written.

P.S. By the way, I have regularly seen comments by you, and appreciate them. Thanks!

I don't want your thanks and if I come across anything at all that I have written I'll be letting you know. If you use people's readings you should ask them if it's okay not just use them for your own profit.

 

[Jian Lee]

OK, well here are my considerations. That page "archive" of readings offers a selection, mostly of questions by myself, friends, and one from the book Tao of Chaos, by Katya Walters. It is meant as a public service first. If I removed all question lifted from this forum, that would still leave plenty of content, but it would leave out some fascinating issues and hidden answers in the Yi Jing.

It's considered to be perfectly good practice for this type of work to use quotes, whatever their source, for the purpose of study and research. I could even copy comments from here under what is considered "fair use", but I didn't, as the page is meant to showcase my own views on them.

The questions quoted from this forum were found interesting by me due to their subjects (mostly philosophical or spiritual issues). It would have been easy to adapt them and present them as my own question. But it seemed only fair to give the courtesy of mentioning the source, including this forum (with link). Also, I wished to preserve the "historical castings", and not do them again which would have compromised the "spontaneous" (initial) results.

I hope that addresses your point(s).

Regards,
JL

 

[Trojina]

OK, well here are my considerations. That page "archive" of readings offers a selection, mostly of questions by myself, friends, and one from the book Tao of Chaos, by Katya Walters. It is meant as a public service first. If I removed all question lifted from this forum, that would still leave plenty of content, but it would leave out some fascinating issues and hidden answers in the Yi Jing.

Good, I'm glad if you removed all the questions from this forum there would be plenty left.

It's considered to be perfectly good practice for this type of work to use quotes, whatever their source, for the purpose of study and research. I could even copy comments from here under what is considered "fair use", but I didn't, as the page is meant to showcase my own views on them.

Hmm just doesn't look good when I click your link and I go straight to a thread from a member here in 2010.

The questions quoted from this forum were found interesting by me due to their subjects (mostly philosophical or spiritual issues). It would have been easy to adapt them and present them as my own question. But it seemed only fair to give the courtesy of mentioning the source, including this forum (with link).

Surely it's better to ask permission from those people than just use their work and then present it as your archive.

I don't know anything about this, I expect you are right and this is all perfectly acceptable yet you are offering this free for a limited time to people's who's ideas you have used and then you want them to pay for it. Doesn't leave a great taste in my mouth, others may disagree. It may be normal practice but I know if I saw any question of mine quoted in there I'd want it taken out. Others may disagree.

No idea what percentage of your archive of questions is from here but I recognised that deja vu question straight away. I'd think if you used anybody's question you couldn't charge them for a book you'd have to give it free.

 

[Jian Lee]

Trojina, what you suggest would have amounted to much work, hassle, and possibly even aggravation that should not be necessary, I feel. But if someone here is unhappy with being quoted, I will immediately remove the quote on request.

The bad news may be: if using quotes is unacceptable for you, you will be shocked by my book, and it may not be for you, as I quoted a lot of material from a number of sources, especially from the Wilhelm text and "site of Yin" text, referenced in Appendix V. How could it be any different?! Yi Jing is about accumulated wisdom, not about ego matters. If I would have made it into a lovely "creative" Yi Jing text, it might have made me shine, but it would have missed essential ancient wisdom that would be silly to try and rephrase.

My book is free for a limited time. It took me almost 25 years since the first words I typed on an Atari ST 1040. A large part of the book (200 p.) will remain free. Seems like a fair deal to follow up publishing it in exchange for an appropriate price. I waited a long time with deciding on publishing this. Long time considered not doing it at all. Of course I have anticipated this critique, but I have no choice. Some things can simply not be left out of the text.

Regards,
JL

 

[Freedda]

Jian Lee, just an FYI: I tried to download the PDF at my computer at work, but our security software instead gave me the message:

At least once an originator from this site was responsible for conducting a phishing scam directed towards (my work place) and therefore has been blocked. ​

I'm not sure why this is, but I'll therefore have to try to see if I can download it to my tablet at home instead.

Best, D

 

[Trojina]

I don't know, I need more time to think about it and look at it but there is a difference to my mind between quoting from a book, with references, to just lifting people's queries from here. As you said you didn't have to acknowledge they were from here yet when I clicked your website link and saw immediately a question from goddessliss 2010, a question I kind of remember I just think you are stealing from our archive into yours. Certainly if you have used any part of other's responses to the query that's not acceptable. I've not hard time to investigate that yet.

This is a bit funny

Yi Jing is about accumulated wisdom, not about ego matters.

Ahem, this doesn't justify using this site where you got the material from to advertise yourself and then tell people you are going to be charging money for it. Accumulated wisdom from this site you think you might get money for. We accumulate the archives you get the money from us ??


To my mind it would be better just to ask those who's questions you have lifted, and everything else you have lifted which I do not yet know, for permission rather than present it as a finished 'product' from which you plan to earn money.

I'm not clear to what extent it is okay to raid the archives of one website to make your own archive, I may owe you an apology...but my first impression, going straight to a member's question lifted out straight as it is, well to me it feel like stealing. If I found anything I had written I'd insist you remove it. It's mine not yours and to my mind the archives are Clarity's not yours. I admit to being naive as to the laws of copyright on the internet and I suspect you're right that you can just do this. Nonetheless you can't sell Clarity archives back to the people at Clarity. You owe them, not the other way around.

 

[Jian Lee]

Trojina,

Well, maybe you could look at it this way: would it be right for me to report about football results (I did actually, there's 2 questions about the same football match - not really what I normally do, but this was a special occasion), or the lottery? Would it be acceptable for me to copy the scoreboard, and mention some of the things that were said?

This is as far as quoting castings publicised on this forum goes. Again, it is offered to benefit the public debate. If it causes aggravation, I will attend to that.

Hope this clarifies.

JL

Ahem, this doesn't justify using this site where you got the material from to advertise yourself and then tell people you are going to be charging money for it. Accumulated wisdom from this site you think you might get money for. We accumulate the archives you get the money from us ??
... I'm not clear to what extent it is okay to raid the archives of one website to make your own archive, ...

I don't need this. Make it work for you, or don't. If I get removel requests (from a poster), I'll attend to it.

Regards,

JL

 

[Jian Lee]

Jian Lee, just an FYI: I tried to download the PDF at my computer at work, but our security software instead gave me the message:

At least once an originator from this site was responsible for conducting a phishing scam directed towards (my work place) and therefore has been blocked. ​

I'm not sure why this is, but I'll therefore have to try to see if I can download it to my tablet at home instead.

Best, D

Hello Freeda. This must be because the domain name ends on pagesperso-orange.fr , which is the national internet company, so it could have been associated to problematic content, but here it's a "false positive".

Thank you for your interest. If you can't wait, then you may like to read about the book at
[redacted]
(with parts of the intro)

Regards,
JL

 

[Jian Lee]

Hi Trojina,

After verification, I counted a total of 9 questions that were quoted by me from this forum, on a total of 83.

As found at [redacted]

Does that qualify as "raiding the archives" (quote)?

That would seem a bit "over the top".... or isn't it?

Regards,
JL

 

[Trojina]

I don't know I'd have to look properly - it didn't help the very first page I went to was a reading from here.

If I have maligned you I or Hilary will delete my posts. I haven't had proper chance to look through your website yet. I could well be being over the top, I just didn't expect readings to be taken straight off here and put in your archive, I don't get why you'd do that.

I actually can't figure out the format of what you're writing when I go the website. There's notes for example under a members reading with 'C' 'IC' 'FC' 'FIC' I don't know what it means.


I'm too tired to bother with this now I have alerted Hilary already but she is the one to go to with complaints. I still think if you've taken readings off this website you can hardly sell it back to the place you got some of the resources from. That's my opinion. But I am just one person so.......

You say you haven't used responses from this website, I hope you haven't.

 

[Jian Lee]

I don't know I'd have to look properly - it didn't help the very first page I went to was a reading from here.

Take your time. There's a lot to read, and it's not that easy.

If I have maligned you I or Hilary will delete my posts.

Please don't. Let's all just laugh about it (and make progress).

I actually can't figure out the format of what you're writing when I go the website. There's notes for example under a members reading with 'C' 'IC' 'FC' 'FIC' I don't know what it means.

If you read the page starting at the top, the bit before the questions, it should all become clear.

You say you haven't used responses from this website, I hope you haven't.

What would be the point of that? I offer my own expertise and experience. Most texts are direct references to, or quotes from, texts in the book.

Regards,
JL

 

[Jian Lee]

I still think if you've taken readings off this website you can hardly sell it back to the place you got some of the resources from. That's my opinion. But I am just one person so.......

To be accurate, I am definitely not selling "readings off this website" (i.e. this forum). If you make such an accusation, it should offer more substance. I merely quoted a few questions and casting results on a webpage that is entirely free and public. I do quote 1 question in my introduction, and that part will remain free, while it's also offered on the free casting archive page. Read my interpretation of the question that is quoted, and see if it resembles what you may find in this forum (and aside from what can be found in the Whilhelm translation) here.

No offense is taken, as you don't know me. But allow me to say that you might have to read up before doing such.

Regards,
JL

 

[Freedda]

After giving it a quick look a few initial comments:

* The sample queries all contain a primary hexagram, lines and then three more hexagrams, which is immediately confusing for me: which of these three are the resulting/received hexagram?

* Each hexagram section is very long (hexagram 1 is something like 18 pages). It would have been nice therefore if the 'index' had hyperlinks, which would make finding things in the PDF much easier.

* Looking at hex. 1 it seems to start with five different versions of the image statement and then it's followed by three pages of commentary. And then there's what looks like five versions of the oracle statement followed by more commentary. Overall then it feels like a bit of a grap bag - taking us from a very (perhaps too) sparse Original Zhouyi to one that's got way too many words and commentary. At least that's how it feels to me.

* I looked at line 1.4 and I can't find/figure out which is the line text/statement? The section instead starts with the author's comments. There is bold text following that, but it doesn't at all resemble any other versions of line 1.4 that I looked at for reference, so I found myself feeling immediately confused by what I was reading.

As I said this is just a first look. Next I may try using it in a reading to get more of a sense of how it feels and how useful I find it.

 

[Trojina]

Hi Trojina,

After verification, I counted a total of 9 questions that were quoted by me from this forum, on a total of 83.

As found at [redacted]

Does that qualify as "raiding the archives" (quote)?

That would seem a bit "over the top".... or isn't it?

Regards,
JL

I counted 14 readings from Clarity on the archives page, I don't know if that one page is the extent of the archives. I had the impression yesterday there were more pages, not sure.


I'm finding some pretty weird questions on there such as this

31.4 / 44 > 39 / 64

Q: What is the result for what is good in society, and its success, to only allow men to vote (not women)? (18-1003)

C - Hex. 31, the Influence (the Stimulation, the Courtship): This is about the (universal) aspects of influence and stimulation, and the courtesy (good manners, and/or practice) that is required for it. One must allow oneself to feel (experience) oneself, as well as what others feel (experience); This will bring understanding (knowledge), and is (or will be) improving ones ways (capacities, abilities) when exchanging (communicating, sharing) with others, and/or the Universe. The Great Man (those who are accomplished) will influence all to behave in a way that is (or will be) courteous (polite, respectful, considerate), and/or balanced. (Im + Ju) It stiffens thinking, and confuses the heart. It brings loneliness. Only those alike (i.e. men) will stay. (li 4)

Now it's a most peculiar question to ask Yi in this day and age but also your response/commentary doesn't actually make any sense. I can make neither heard nor tail of it.

Continuing from the same weird question - I mean who would ever think only men should vote, did you take this question from 200 years ago ?

IC - Hex. 44, Encountering (the Contact, the Approaching Relationship): One is trying to control the encounter with others. One is attempting not to be controlled by women, and their desires or ambitions. (Im + Ju) It will not be fertile. (li 4)

FC - Hex. 39, the Obstacle (the Obstruction, the Opponent): It will lead to obstruction and opposition. (Im + Ju) One must arrive to ones destiny, ones destination. One must turn "inwards" (to understand or be able to receive the other). (li 4)

FIC - Hex. 64, Preparing and Beginning (Before Completion, At the Beginning): Learn about what should be at the beginning of things. (Im + Ju) One is (or should be) combating "the Demons" (evil intentions). After great efforts (doing what is right, loving), there will be rewards. (li 4)

Note: This was a "tongue in cheek" question, just to see what the Yi Jing would answer, seeing that if what is male and "yang" is right and loving (as the text says), then why not let men decide? Its answer raises essential points, and even emotion. Also see 45.2.3.5.6.

None of this means anything in terms of the question. Your 'note does not mean anything. The text does not say yang is 'right and loving'.



I then came accross some odd questions about racism, the more I look into your work the more perplexing and sinister it seems. There are a number of very odd questions about women to start with.

To start with I was concerned you were taking readings off Clarity now I am more worried you have a completely different agenda. I'm going back to the archive to quote some more weird stuff.

 

[Trojina]

What is this ??? Huh from the 'archive' it's looking like an anti women anti gay anti black platform for you to spout incomprehensible nonsense from the but the questions are really loaded like this one.

I've bolded the bits where you sound anti gay. Even the question is a bit sick...because the answer is obvious

30.4 / 28 > 22 / 40

Q: To what extent should homosexuality (LGBT) be viewed as a "natural exception" that should be accepted and fully tolerated, instead of as an unnatural (health) condition that can and should be cured (as far as know-how and peaceful methods allow), and only tolerated to a limited extent? (18-0703)

C - Hex. 30, the Fire (the Illuminating, That Which Sticks And Exhausts): One must care about both the female/feminine and the male/masculine (the cow and the bull). One must beware and not be fooled by misleading words and/or representations (and/or images), i.e. beware of betrayal. It can be a trap (like a fishnet) There is always more to know! (Ju) Homosexuality in itself leads to an "early death", like that of a fire suddenly dying down. I.e. it leads to infertility. It can lead to darkness (weakness, evil). As far as it exists, those who practice it should try to leave behind them good things (i.e. not perversion, abuse, manipulation, decay, pedophilia and/or LGBT conditioning/manipulation of children, etc... which all lead to evil, infertility/death, and lack of balance). (li 4)

FC - Hex. 22, Considering Grace (the Beauty, the Appearance): What one is made to see (in public discussions and through propaganda, i.e. an embellished image) is not the whole picture. There is betrayal. Things should be (genuinely) clarified and made more beautiful (in a deeper way). One has to reckon with different viewpoints. There are energies and emotions that are kept secret, and therefore some things are (necessarily, unavoidably) overlooked. The discussion is (or may be) too much oriented on merely a graceful "public image" of things, and not about deeper, greater, and more important things. (Im + Ju) One is dealing with people who are different, but (ultimately) worthy of being noticed, respected and loved. Everybody has it in them to be a worthy partner (associate). (li 4)

@hilary this is bad stuff being advertised here will post more....don't want this kind of garbage here dow we, from there

Homosexuality in itself leads to an "early death", like that of a fire suddenly dying down. I.e. it leads to infertility. It can lead to darkness (weakness, evil). As far as it exists, those who practice it should try to leave behind them good things (i.e. not perversion, abuse, manipulation, decay, pedophilia and/or LGBT conditioning/manipulation of children, etc... which all lead to evil, infertility/death, and lack of balance).

Your work is not to do with the I Ching but promoting your rather sick ideologies through it it seems . All this evil stuff is buried in other philosophical questions so a casual observer may not know at first there is anything wrong. Going to quote more. Looks like there is a problem with women - should they even vote, with gays now let's go to black people and racism shall we.

 

[Trojina]

here we have an aniti muslim reading

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07.- / 24

Q: What (may have) caused 2 young Swedish women to venture into Morocco and expose themselves to the (foreseeable) danger of muslim men, and get brutally killed? (18-1227)

C - Hex. 7, the Army (the Disciplining, Dealing With Crowds): They lacked discipline (i.e. rigor, responsibility, seriousness, due diligence), and they lacked strong, responsible men in their society and lives (as men in Sweden - as in most N-Europe - have been endlessly "dis-empowered" by feminist mentality, and occult political intrigue, including pushing acceptance of homosexuality). With that, they were betrayed by the (many) irresponsible leaders of their country. They fell victim to a religion created and led by irresponsible men. Irony: while they were used to (were made familiar with what they would typically consider) "responsible" i.e. docile and subdued Swedish men, they never learned about the dangers of "irresponsible" (evil) men, as commonly found in muslim countries. (Ju)

IC - Hex. 24, the Return (Reversing, the Temporary Closing of the Roads): The roads should have been closed. There were no (genuine) friends to be found. (Ju)

This is pure poison in the name of Yi - these sick posts against women/muslims/gay people/blacks are all buried among ordinary questions from people at Clarity. We have a pretty sick and evil troll ready to go to some trouble to poison this place.


You aren't even who you say you are are you ?


let's pick this little pile of shit apart shall we

They lacked discipline (i.e. rigor, responsibility, seriousness, due diligence), and they lacked strong, responsible men in their society and lives (as men in Sweden - as in most N-Europe - have been endlessly "dis-empowered" by feminist mentality, and occult political intrigue, including pushing acceptance of homosexuality).

Ah so in a sense you are saying the 2 young women deserved to get killed because they were disempowered by a feminist mentality. You're full of shit aren't you. You are anti gay right wing fascist and you are using Yi as a cover because you actually think Yi is evil because you are a far right Christian troll.

With that, they were betrayed by the (many) irresponsible leaders of their country. They fell victim to a religion created and led by irresponsible men. Irony: while they were used to (were made familiar with what they would typically consider) "responsible" i.e. docile and subdued Swedish men, they never learned about the dangers of "irresponsible" (evil) men, as commonly found in muslim countries. (Ju

So you are saying Islam is a religion created by irresponsible men ? Yuk you sound like one of the Commanders from the Handmaids' Tale. You Sicko.


You can't pedal your shit here and will be banned from doing so, banned altogether hopefully in due course

 

[Trojina]

And read through this

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C - Hex. 53, the Gradual Development (Gradual Progress, Progressing into a Whole): It is gradual progress, but not necessarily reaching ones goal. (Im) It allows for rest, peace, recuperating. (li 4) If there's a connection, the child will be born late. When there's "no connection", there can be no advantage. (li 5)

IC - Hex. 64, Preparing and Beginning (Before Completion, At the Beginning): One must learn about (study) what has occurred at the beginning of things. And/or also: One is always at the beginning of something. When being at the beginning one can't (fully) know or understand how things will (or should be) be at the end (at completion). (Im + Ju) One is (or will be) combating "the Demons". After great efforts (doing what is right, loving), there will be rewards. (li 4) It might look bright, but is it really? It's not convincing enough (and definitely not convincing everybody). There is a need for genuine brilliance (intelligence), not merely brute force. (li 5)

FC - Hex. 56, the Wanderer (the Traveler, the Temporary): See the "men with banners": army men, government officials. One is dealing with temporary conditions, and strangers who can have intentions that are benevolent or hostile. Even a benevolent stranger can be misunderstood and may offend. (Im) It might offer an immediate solution (tool), but it can only be temporary and doesn't give peace of mind. (li 4) It's effective and obtains praise (from the others). But is it dedicated and sincere enough? If one is not ready to invest oneself in a more wholesome way of doing things, there can be no genuine progress. (li 5)

FIC - Hex. 28, Exceeding Greatness (the Great Excess, Inner Preponderance): Something Great is breaking through (happening). The question is if things will hold or not. (Im + Ju) The ridgepole is (or will be) holding. (li 4) But things will not hold for a long time. Only for one season. It's not (really) fertile. (li 5)

Follow-up question: What should I think of not banning (censoring) posts that are promoting extremely racist (and/or) nationalist views (it be white, black, or other)?

A: 15.6 / 40 > 52 / 40

C - Hex. 15, Hidden Richness (the Modesty, Hidden Qualities: There is "hidden" richness. One is (or should be) learning about the ways richness (hidden qualities, wealth, resources, and/or resistance) is (or will be) (are, will be) hiding, as well as the ways it (they) can be known (recognized, acknowledged, found). Richness can hide (and/or be found) in what looks modest (small, weak, inferior). (Im + Ju) It leads to (the necessity of) subduing ones own towns and states. It needs a form of moderation, but in an open, receptive, and appropriately passive way, as this is a yin line in a yin position. [this is also the upper line of the upper trigram, the earth. Line 6 of hex. 2 shows "dragons fighting in the wild". It is not the place for what is small, weak, and receptive to impose itself through aggressive action - works either way!]. (li 6)

IC - Hex. 40, the Liberation (the Freedom, to Loosen): What is (or will be) occurring shows a context of liberation, of finding freedom. The question then will be: Is there genuine liberation? Will what occurs bring this? Is it of the right kind? If liberation is to be found, then one should hurry to get it. If not, then "turning back" (within) will prepare one for the next (and/or a better) opportunity. (Im + Ju) One is (or should be) like shooting a (criminal) "hawk that sits on a high fortified wall". By consequence, this line raises an interesting point: one is (or should be) removing (what is perceived as) a "criminal" power. Here, it is sitting "high, on a fortified wall". However, if one can not see the hawk, how could one shoot at it? Thus, this line may indicate it is better not to censor, as it allows for seeing (and submitting) the "criminal elements". (li 6)

FC - Hex. 52, the Mountain (the Immobile, the Stillness): Observe what is "stacked up and grown tough", the rest, the information. (Im + Ju) It leads to things being "stacked up" in a superior way, and/or the necessity for this. (li 6)

So effectively you're saying censoring shouldn't happen as then you can't see the criminal whihc has all sort of implications as to what you are really saying

 

[Trojina]

You and your book aren't real but an evil little cover for you to spout your anti women anti gay anti black vomit inside a bunch of more innocent looking threads from this website. And you ask for a donation ? Go $£"% fcuk yourself - get out of here you crook


There's a heck of a lot of stuff about Jews in your 'archive' let's look. As for any Yi interpretation a closer look will reveal you have just written a word salad, a bunch of pure nonsense to disguise your ugly opinions about women, gay people, black people and Jews. Wow.

 

[Trojina]

Jews anybody ? Should Jews abandon Judaism because this homophobic misogynist racist thinks so. I'll leave it up to you but I sure could do with some help here

31.1 / 44 > 49 / 44

Q: What would be the result for peace in the world, if (practicing) jews would abandon judaism (because "it's not working", too racist, ethno-discriminating, and isolationist)? (18-0518)

C - Hex. 31, the Influence (the Stimulation, the Courtship): One will only be sensitive and understanding towards others, after growing, seeing, and feeling things (as) from "within". (Ju) One has to make absolutely sure one is doing the right thing. If it is, THEN it will be right to do it. (li 1)

IC - Hex. 44, Encountering (the Contact, the Approaching Relationship): One is (or was) trying to stay in control when encountering others, which is not wrong. (Im + Ju) They are like "hungry / angry pigs". And/or: They should "eat up", before going on; Gathering strength, i.e. maturing. (li 1)

FC - Hex. 49, Change (the Revolution, the Molding): Is there change (or will there be)? (Im) Only when the change will be complete, will it be believed! One has to make sure it will be successful (for all involved/concerned). (li 1)

FIC: Like IC

What a peculiar question although not so peculiar for someone like you I suppose. It's clear you don't know anything about Yi you are just making things up along with the bogus 'FC' IC .

 

[hilary]

Yes, I do see what you mean about the readings and interpretations. The internet is a big place, and people are free to post their misogyny, homophobia, anti-Semitism etc on their own sites. I'm also free not to link to them from my site, and will be making some edits to this thread.

 

[Trojina]

Get him off the site altogether he's dangerous and I don't to be on a site where he is a member.

 

[Trojina]

It will be great to read about your experiences with this text. Does it offer clarification where other versions leave room for doubt? Is it easy to read, regardless of the unusual text presentation and the many brackets? Do you agree with the texts (names, image, judgment, lines, etc)? Did you find a typo?

Well it was just a word jumble basically, not a book or a website but just a cover to air your sickening views on women, jews, gays, black people.

I don't think you know anything about the I Ching but are a far right Christian (sad for Christians to represented by people like you) trying to spread poison.


Your site and your book are not worth visiting let alone buying and as I say the site wasn't even real. You hid the most sickening of interpretations as detailed in my previous posts, within a list of more innocent looking readings.

So the website is just a vessel of filth and hatred. I looked through the 'book' but it's not a book it's just a word soup with no relevance to anything very much, I wonder if that is just a cover too for your sickening views.


To anyone reading well the author is manifestly an extremely misogynistic/racist/homophobic/anti semitic pile of trash as ever walked the earth. Neither his website nor his book actually make any sense, seems he cannot really even construct a sentence except the time he does manage to articulate his hatred of women/jews/black people/gay people.

All things considered my honest appraisal of this 'book' is try to avoid it at all costs and be aware his so called 'archive' is nothing more than a list of readings, many taken from this website, in which he hides a number of 'readings' about such things as whether women should vote and if racism should really be censored and uses the pretence of an 'interpretation' to air his own deeply distasteful and uneducated views on any one who isn't him I suppose. he has attempted not only to dupe people here but get money from them to boot. If you want to understand the I Ching don't go to this guy, you will find more enlightenment from any newbie who just picked the book up yesterday.

 

[Jian Lee]

Well, I expected this somewhat. We live in intolerant times indeed. True wisdom is veiled and scarred by the emotions.

Your work is not to do with the I Ching but promoting your rather sick ideologies through it it seems . All this evil stuff is buried in other philosophical questions so a casual observer may not know at first there is anything wrong. Going to quote more. Looks like there is a problem with women - should they even vote, with gays now let's go to black people and racism shall we.

Why don't you first cast the Yi about how "evil" I or "my ideas" actually are, instead of taking your beliefs for granted? I did. It was comforting, and not wishful thinking. If you can't make sense of my interpretations, I suggest you do more research, and read with more care.

I had an elaborate on-topic reply for Freeda, but I will hold back for the moment.

All the best.