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Trojina

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I think the reason I can't remember many specific occasions of receiving 24 uc is that as soon as I've seen it I've probably unconsciously slumped, taken a breath....phew....return. Slumped is not quite the right word...but anyway what the body does when actually it's not time to rush off and act out the plan I've been feverishly privately envisaging whatever it is.

The one specific example I can remember is not quite like that. Can't recall exact question but I know it was a 'big ' question for me. When it appeared there was nothing at all happening for me :confused: and nothing seemingly left to happen and I think I asked 'what is going on here' something like that..At the time it felt very reassuring and a reading that stayed with me. The darkest point and the point of turnaround. The winter solstice. I would say things began to turnaround from that point, gradually. I think when 24 uc is about your whole life it may not be time to do cartwheels but is time for a quiet inner smile...perhaps ? :)
 

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Wings says of 24uc

"Unchanging, this situation can mean the RETURNING to the beginning of one of your old familiar cycles or patterns. The trigram CHEN, movement, is arousing from below K'UN, receptivity, into a repeated cycle of activity. Throughout your life you will recognise occurrences that are not simply random, but a part of your own particular pattern. You may perceive this all too familiar pattern as neurotic or, perhaps, as the security of being your Self. Naturally,, the better your attitude about certain fated conditions in your nature, the more pleasurable your life becomes."
 

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I received 24uc this morning to describe today and making the best of it.

24 is still not 100% clear to me, because of the lingering question: return to what? There's implications of not going out the gate, in fact closing the gate, which also allows no one or nothing inside. Simultaneously, it is the return of yang (strong line at the bottom), which is still hidden, as the dragon is hidden in 1.1. I get the impression that being unsettled is part of the condition of 24, due to the combination of coming and going of "friends". Often friends seem to refer to aspects of ones own personality, or things someone instinctively responds positively to. For instance, to get the sudden powerful impulse to play music or express oneself can be part of returning to life. But also a way of turning inward.

24 always feels something of an unsolvable paradox. The end is the beginning, the beginning is at the end. Not like 49's seasons, but at the polar opposites of coming and going, turning inward and turning outward, but not leaving the orbit. That means there are two returns for every orbit.



Just a thought.
 

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rare are the times I haven't ask " return to what ????" , when I get h24, and its that dreading 24.6 makes you think you can't take things lightly. Hope you don't mind sharing a 24.6 experience.

I applied for a sort seminar in a time I needed to recover and heal some aspect while it had nothing to do with healing per se. All happened so quickly in a weirdly smooth way. I ask before leaving home for an insight and got 24>42 . I thought 24.6 was too serious for such a trivial thing ; anyway I took it as don't lose that chance. When I arrived at the place the seminar was held, a very unpleasant surprise waiting for me. Without going into details, for some reasons, there was a potential I would jeopardize a health situation.. If I screw it up.. it was really serious. (24.6 ?) .

So, I recall it as it were now and me there, I stood there and asking again and again into my mind " return to what.. return to what... what is 'home" ?" Literally returning to my home was the more save thing to do yet didn't bode well because the subject of the seminar was "home " too and that recovering aspect of h24.

I finally decide to take my risks ( I won't lie, i was very scared) and go on while a person escorting me all the time till I reached to a safe place was telling me how crazy and dangerous was what i' was doing . They were right in some ways yet after some first steps I fell that "being in my orbit" thing meng said earlier. It needed a lot of psychical effort but I didn't felt it. just surmised it by observing my body. The prevailing feeling was that I somehow was carried.

That feeling answered my question : "return to what ? " I was on the right way.
 

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I try to recall what h24 reading made me see and make that image but my memory doesn't serves me.

So "unknown" question/situation and as an answer - instead of words - an image :)

 

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Ah yes perfect image !

I will wait to hear how Meng's 24 unchanging day went. Later I did recall a daily cast of 24uc. I was at home and I really didn't want to go anywhere, I wanted to rest. To be honest I wanted a 'duvet day'. I felt slightly guilty at that but then did the daily cast for best use of the day and got 24uc. I had a really nice restful day and the cast helped me to feel less angsty about not being 'out there'. That day felt like Maria's picture looked.
 

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Re the 24.6 digression, I haven't always found it so terrible, more factual. Have 2 clear experiences of it.

1. 24.1.6>23 about finances ...well the 24.6 showed it being just too late to repay debt so took a special kind of bankruptcy.for people in my circs..which actually was liberating from the debt. Sometimes it's okay to acknowlege just being too late to rectify something.

2. Landlord kept promising new windows. They were literally falling out and very draughty. I asked about when they were going to be done and got 24.6. I knew instantly that meant "not before xmas !" Sure enough solstice came and went and no new windows till April !


Someone called Dobro had a thread devoted to line 6's...will link if find it...here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?4716-Line-6-high-point-or-endgame We could have a series of threads all devoted to line 1s and line 2's and then a whole series of threads of experiences of lines 1 and 2 together and so on....it might never end :cool:
 

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I read somewhere that reading the Image is especially helpful when we get unchanging casts.

I particularly like Hilary's take on the Image from her book

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"Thunder dwelling in the centre of the earth: Returning.
The ancient kings closed the borders at winter solstice.
Itinerant merchants did not travel,
The prince did not tour the regions."


In winter nothing moves or grows: thunder dwells quietly at the centre of the earth. When spring comes, it will surge up and rouse everything to new life. But at present it is barely beginning to stir: winter solstice, darkest moment of the year, is when light just begins to return.

The ancient kings cared for their people as the earth covers a dormant seed. They contained people's impulse to rush out and resume business as usual, so that the energy for growth would not be squandered in the depths of winter. This is the turning point on your path, a moment to be still and turn inward to listen for little glimmerings and inklings of awareness, to nurture the seeds of a personal sense of direction.

As I keep quoting from 'Hilary's book' I thought I better link to it for newbies who may not know it...here it is http://www.amazon.com/Ching-Walking-your-creating-future/dp/1848374534
 

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I mainly rested as thoughts went to and fro, mostly about something I'd been wrestling with for the past few days, so it was a time to relax from the tension; was going to drive up to Kingman for food shopping but decided on tomorrow (today) instead (merchants and strangers did not go about). It was a good day overall, but nothing unusual or earth shaking. Like the trigrams, I felt well grounded but sensed energy rising from beneath my feet. Today I feel ready to go out and spend some of that energy and some money.

PS: Hilary's text seems to depict the day completely accurately.
 

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I have it in answer to " what reason is there for me to be on earth" about a year ago, and i see it as yi not answering the question directly but rather an acknowledgment that i was off the path and that i needed to return to the path, return home. I like c.anthony's commentary
We obtain this hexagram when we are about to "split apart" from our path, or after we have already done so, by reviving old methods of defending ourself or strategies for dealing with problems. Return means: return to the path, fall back on acceptance and humility, not letting doubt cause us to argue, make claims, use leverage or force. Return is aided by keeping still within. We should not allow our ego to go on arguing or even complaining.
 

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In the interest of being helpful I am posting a q with the result
I asked should I go to xxxx
24 unchanging
Seemed like a good response, alarming though to read the imagery "the ruler does not travel through the provinces" which I ignored and went at 5 pm (is that a solstice?)
Anyway it was to pick up a check at a job I had quit and when I went the check wasn't there, the person I spoke to said the boss probably mailed it. Which she had and I got it in mail 2 says later (minus the tips).
So that's my 24 unchanging story.

copied this from Susan who posted this in SR
 

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Here's an unforgettable 24 UC I've got.

Five years ago, my first day in a new job, in a city I had moved from and returned 6 months later due to lack of working options. I was heading to HR office and suddenly had a pretty strong bad feeling I was going to a prison. Had never felt like this before, something scary. I asked what was that: 24.

I received some 24's UC too when the question I was asking was completely opposite to the real situation, something like "you're wrong, give up this idea".
 

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Yes many times I have known it that way.
 

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A friend had been dating and eventually living with a fellow but even after 5 years they never went through with their plans for marriage and eventually they split up. She asked me if he had been playing her, wondered if he had been intentionally mean to her. We got 24 unchanging which she interpreted to mean that he hadn't been intentionally leading her on but rather that with all their comings and goings still the partnership never really got off the ground - it always returned to square one and indeed they parted with very little fan fare - no drama, no big division of property - just sort of a hunh, well, time to go home.
 

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My 24 unchanging epiphany it is the equivalent of the expression "back to square one." That's an easily understood analogue.

- LL
 

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Some years ago I had a brief relationship with a guy I liked very very much. He liked me too but after the initial surge of energy for me he became interested in other women as well. I suffered his turning away and lived a very stressful period because we were living in a communal situation, so seeing each other was a daily thing and difficult to avoid. After some months we both had to come back to Europe (we were in India), both to the same city although for him was just a stop-over. I asked the Yi what was going to be with him and got hex 24.
We took the same taxi to Mumbay airport. During the trip (3 hours) he took my hand and didn't leave it till we arrived in Europe. He actually stayed with me for about a week before moving on to his city and shortly afterwards I also moved there. We lived together for a few months till again he felt the need to have more space and we split up. After a long period of distress I finally moved on and we always remained friends.
So hex 24 brought us back together the first time and made me live the situation all over once again.
 

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One time I had worked much in a three week period.
I finally had a day off and was wondering what to do with myself that day.
I cast and got 24.
So I went home and took a break, I didn't go shopping or run any errands, I just recuperated.

I think of 24 like the two week winter vacation most students get in the country where I live, or the big brother of 17.
 

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Another anecdote.
No point really.

A wild eyed and overworked friend once told me that he suddenly had an idea to go off on a crazy and possibly dangerous to his health honest to goodness Adventure.
But, he was also just thinking of relaxing at home or visiting a local hobby club. He was having trouble deciding and asked, "what is the best course for me today?" He got 24 unchanging.

We laughed about images of the closed passes that a would-be adventurer would be turned away from (Due to the Yetis rampaging again ;) ) He decided to rest and have fun.

Does this prove anything?
Not that I know of.
But Yetis are cool.
 
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Mm. Returning to a point that is all too familiar - almost like ground hog day...

However having been there before I am more familiar less cautious and more able to deal with the situation. Returning is not always a bad thing. Perhaps the timing was not right or things were not fully in place to move or travel forward

Like the traveller
Returning to his starting point. Same place same location but different time and different perspective. It's like a canoe friend says - same river different day different water different paddle...

Sometimes it is the minutiae that we missed last time that are important
On our travels returning to a familiar place can be comforting .. Familiar almost.
Lets us rest before we continue our journey
 

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Asked Yi what a bonfire was going to be like and got 24 uc. It was a great party with a beautiful fire and friendly people, until it started to rain and the party was moved into the garage. The change of scenery changed the tone of the party and I ended up leaving early and going to bed.
 
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24u result; return of friendship . Also 8.5

I contacted a friend, after several years, and felt nervous about whether she'd reply to me. The question --of receiving a reply or not from her -- held great meaning for me. I did make a practice of letting go of the outcome, so as not to create a constraining feeling, and to allow the coming/going of the relationship. I received 24u. I also received 8.5 to 2. (which makes perfect sense of the "letting go" piece of it)
Several weeks later, she did reply.
So, in this case, the 24 says to me, -- there will be a return of friendship.
 

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I received 24uc this morning to describe today and making the best of it.

24 is still not 100% clear to me, because of the lingering question: return to what? There's implications of not going out the gate, in fact closing the gate, which also allows no one or nothing inside. Simultaneously, it is the return of yang (strong line at the bottom), which is still hidden, as the dragon is hidden in 1.1. I get the impression that being unsettled is part of the condition of 24, due to the combination of coming and going of "friends". Often friends seem to refer to aspects of ones own personality, or things someone instinctively responds positively to. For instance, to get the sudden powerful impulse to play music or express oneself can be part of returning to life. But also a way of turning inward.

24 always feels something of an unsolvable paradox. The end is the beginning, the beginning is at the end. Not like 49's seasons, but at the polar opposites of coming and going, turning inward and turning outward, but not leaving the orbit. That means there are two returns for every orbit.



Just a thought.

There is another way to look at this hexagram, not a lot different but a little. Returning can also have the connotation of a turning point. Something is about to change. It also indicates a rise of sorts. After hexagram 23, when everything collapses, in 24 it is built up again. It is a cycle. It is a sine wave. We go up, we come down. We go in, we go out. We leave, we return. Or something else can return to us. Or something else can turn to us. People or things. It can be quite exhilarating or quite confusing. But both meanings are somewhat related.
 

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I had experience similar to what Loverofknowledge described.

One day I got 24 UC to my question about a friend, if he deemed restoration of our friendship possible. In 4 days I received an email from him, after 2 years of total lack of communication.
 
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I received 24u again recently, regarding a dilemma.
I can take a high paying job, which does not feel right to me (too much headache, too busy, not really what I want to be doing) or I can take lower paid work which gives me more flexibility in my schedule (but would be quite difficult financially). As a way out of the dilemma, I asked what I should do? I received 24u.
I understood this to mean: return to my self, my principles, what inspires me, what I care about -- then the dilemma will be resolved.
I will follow what is true to me.
It is still a process but the answer helped me to reframe the issue and get my sense of agency and creative freedom back.
 

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I tend to receive this hexagram unchanging whenever I seem to be acting in a way (i.e. feeling doubt, fear and other guises of resistance) which leads me to veer from my path some. The I Ching loves to give me #24 as if to say: "You are faltering--GET BACK ON THE PATH AND STAY ON IT!" The last time I had received it (and again in its unchanging form), I'd asked: "What can I do to please Higher Self the most?" This is one of a group of hexagrams I get especially often. I sometimes get it with moving lines, but more often without them.

I find it to be an exceptional hexagram in relation to my own particular journey. I also find it to be a most pertinent one due to the specific symbolism involved. It encourages me to keep on going--even if that can be an unbelievably difficult, daunting, painful and uncertain thing to do at times. Candidly-speaking, I love #24 (a lot). In returning to--and following our path--we ultimately return to--and follow our Self. Thus, we ultimately 'come home' in the truest and most profound sense. I cannot think of anything more beautiful.

I must admit that at this stage, I am beginning to feel like a bit of a, "Returning" connoisseur because I've gotten it so much. I almost see it as my 'totem hexagram'! ;)

P.S. My name is Star by the way. I just joined. It is lovely to meet you all. Blessings!
 
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I am going through a spate of UC hexagrams =
2 is popping up all over the place so is 24.
The questions are not the same - indeed they are completely diverse, and yet I am obtaining hexagram 24.

Just now, what should I do this week should I just stay where I am and not rush off for something........
This is now the 3rd hex 24UC...

I need to return to what pleases me - not what I think I should be doing?

This does not make it any easier to decide actually as I am pulled by factors to stay (yoga, swimming, doing some dance teaching) or going (seeing my daughter play, having my hair cut and perhaps working for more money)

The posting by lover of knowledge above was terribly useful..
 

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24 unchanging? i got it many times in my stubborn times :D
for me it means a recurring situ.. that will begin and finish where it started.. and only I can avoid the recurring of 24 once again.. how? by learning the lesson and getting rid of wrong ideas, ideals, persons, and so on.. :)
related to a question contemplating other people? for me it means that the person will return to me, but i know the advice, if I want to change the kind of relation i have to do it right at the beginning/return, if I miss the time i will have to wait and undergo the situ as well known before to can do something to change it.
 

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Looking back over a few 24uc in my journal, and reading all the comments here - for me it seems to mean 'you're going around in circles...'
 

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Another 24 unchanging:

I was thinking of removing a couple of instant messaging apps from my phone. I've only used them for talking to people I was working on a project with, but now the project's done and I want to take a break from communications and save space on my phone. The 24uc got me thinking this is a cyclical thing, this is only a rest period, and I should make space for the coming and going of friends. If I delete the apps now, I would probably reinstall them in the near future.

"The kings closed the passes... Merchants did not go about... Rulers did not travel..."
Turn off mobile data or wifi? No way. Well, I did the next best thing to deleting the apps -- I simply disabled them, making sure they didn't start at power on nor continue running in the background to accept incoming messages anytime.
 

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