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Your Experiences with Unchanging Castings-Hexagram 28

Trojina

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I have a sense for how 28uc feels. You have to move out from under, you have to ride out of it alone and not care. Often with 28uc there is only one way to go and that's beyond where you are now. 28uc can indicate the proverbial straw that breaks the camels back. I think there is often a sense of relief that comes with 28 uc . For me it's come at times where in particular there is a sense of emergence and distinction from all that the individuality has been immersed in and been modeled and structured around. I think a sense of individual destiny is very clear at this time and moves you forward away from old patterns, structures, frameworks that were supporting your life. Now there's this sense it's just your life you take with you. To get nourished in 27 you have to get stuck into things to get the juice....I'm seeing a big fat bee on a sunflower In 28 that can't be sustained anymore ...the bee got too big and fat for that flower it's been happily gorging on....it's gotta move on...alone and without regret :cool: For me 28 uc has come at times when there is no choice but to move on beyond the current framework of whatever the question concerns. This can be both through outer factors or inner ones. I've had it for endings that have a sense of inevitability to them, but I have also found 28uc of great comfort when feeling very much 'out on a limb', away from the familiar.

The Image for 28 from Hilary's book

'The lake submerges the tree. Great Exceeding.
A noble one stands alone without fear,
Withdraws from the time without sadness'




Wing says of 28 uc

"In an unchanging form the time of CRITICAL MASS suggests that you may have to act alone and firmly, during the onslaught of these weighted times. The steady efforts of the lower trigram, SUN, hold firmly, while TUI, excess, predominates above. There are times when too much of even a good thing is just too much."

Anyone have any memories of 28 uc casts ? Were they like this or quite different in how you experienced that time ?
 

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... the cheese stands alone

where is everyone else on these threads? I think, Trojan, you might be in 28 uc situation in keeping them going.

For what its worth I appreciate your little commentaries and the Wing's excerpts.One day I'll buy her book.
 

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heh heh you don't know how close you are....will pm you.

Wasn't intending to go on posting them but I notice now and then people add examples to the previous ones so I thought may as well do these...for now. Anyone can start them doesn't have to be me. :D
 

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I have had several instances of 28UC when I ask a loaded question, in a worried frame of mind. If I take it as an answer to my question, it amplifies the panic. Lately, I have taken to reading it as "calm down, stop that train of thought for now"
 
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I have had 28uc and also 28 as the changing hex in so many :Dsituations recently that I beginning to think that I am being utterly submerged here.

What to do - oh my goodness - how to act - oh dear. How to deal with the issue - oh my god

It's like being knocked off my canoe into the river - being submerged in the flowing stream not being able to breath and panic stricken flailing around gasping for air

Well - not quite but the feeling that I am not quite able to cope or decide is there - it will not last of course nothing ever does but just that sense of time when you lose it - you think things are going to end ....

Great exceeding perhaps means take control get a grip pull yourself together - you put yourself in this position (ie went canoeing on a swollen river) and now you are in deep water - get yourself out now

Is it really that bad? No but learn
From this
 

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It's like being knocked off my canoe into the river - being submerged in the flowing stream not being able to breath and panic stricken flailing around gasping for air
All this sounds more like 29 to me, which is the next hexagram in the sequence :D

Lise said the word/character for 28 is also 'retirement'. At least retirement is associated with 28, I'll have to check her site. When things are too much, too heavy, one must get out from under the weight of it. So I feel the advise to you may be more about getting out than continuing on with greater resolve.


Great exceeding perhaps means take control get a grip pull yourself together - you put yourself in this position (ie went canoeing on a swollen river) and now you are in deep water - get yourself out now
Yes get out. The trigrams are lake over wind...so yes I see the water but it's not like the water in K'an in 29. Hard for me to figure the trigrams here...we need a trigrams person. Iams girl ?

I copied this on 28 from Lise's website



Dà Guò is a great pass in a mountain, it means to go beyond the proper limit, surplus. Often it is passing irreversibly.
It is used for serious transgressions, especially in respect to rules, like in a school or army. But also in a positive sense: surpassing others with an asset. Better or smarter and such. And also to transfer accounts.
Also very important is the transition from active life to old age. The hexagram gives counsel about how to do this in the best possible way, in order to become a grand old man or woman instead of being played out. The ridgepole is the old person who supported a family or a business, but who is now bending over, and needs a stick, or his family, to support himself. The lines tell him how to go on. Or in any other comparable situation. How to make the life after the great pass worthwhile too. How to deal with big changes, or with loss of securities. How to pass in a safe way. In everyday situations it warns you for excess, for things which are heavy to handle, which need extra care.
 

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I think 28 can reflect health problems, old age, economic pressures, physical burden, anything stress provoking really. The house can be a marriage, your body, a business, any number of things, a house in your astrological chart. The word in the image "A noble one stands alone without fear, Withdraws from the time without sadness" sounds like advice, not an observation. Colors the hex a bit more than is really helpful I think.

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All this sounds more like 29 to me, which is the next hexagram in the sequence.
They both feel like survival for sure, only that maybe hex 29 is more about avoiding all the dangers of careening down the valley river after having just survived drowning in hex 28.
 
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Hard for me to figure the trigrams here...we need a trigrams person. Iams girl ?
Haha, trigrams person? Well, it's true I am fond of them at least. Here would be my take such as it is. Especially for an uc hex, I find it additionally helpful taking the inner trigrams into account. So, using the basic nuclear hex, hex 1, with its double Heaven trigrams, that's a lot of potent, judgmental (for better or worse), untiring energy at work inside hex 28 which is interacting with the "weaker" links Wind/Wood energy below and Lake energy above.

My experience with 28, although not uc, has had an "I'm doing everything I can, will this never end?" feeling to it. And, the answer has been, "no, it won't, so just stop and let things go for a while." Looking at the trigram sequence from bottom to top (Wind/Wood, Heaven, Heaven, Lake) then, what I found worked was:

Heaven and Wind/Wood lower trigrams (mindset): Be more gentle with myself (Wind/Wood) by toning down judgmental thoughts (Heaven). Also, recognize that it's not all about me needing to know everything and accomplish everything by myself (Heaven), being reminded, instead, that Spirit, like the wind, is a partner in growth (Wind/Wood).

Heaven and Lake upper trigrams (action): Bring my stark, isolative, work-focused reality (Heaven) into communion with others (Lake) allowing for more empathy, encouragement, advice, help, and ultimately joy into the picture. (It was definitely the influence of others that that most helped me develop my take on the mindset above).
 
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I got 28uc just now. I have spent 3 weeks scrubbing cleaning painting throwing out - until I feel like Popeye - The house looks stunning - a transformation actually. It is all of course an image and this morning just before the Open Day I was seeing on a piece of material on the chair where the dog had chewed it - and decided to super glue it instead ... no one will know

I asked about the House Sale - I really wanted the house to look lovely - make all the jaded dirty bits lovely again. I got lime bergamot clary sage lavender oils and cleansed the place ... I wanted to know if things would go well with the sale.

Hex 28 uc - feela as if it is saying time to move on - let it go but this time with the help of my little family band. One daughter has been cooking me food the other is brilliant at designing and dressing the rooms. We have thrown out so much junk and it has been cathartic for us all. I think that 28 is like this - I have been the foreman and yet I have helpers ....
 

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The meaning of 28 as "critical mass" probably cuts both ways. We all think of the situation that's "heavy," might think of situations with so much stress we run or get crushed in the rubble.
But sometimes critical mass could be a verb meaning the moment when momentum is so great events take on a life of their own. I've noticed this sometimes with news stories. And also it makes me think of the scene in Basquiat where he's asking his friend, "How long do you think it takes to become famous?" When your career hits critical mass, suddenly everything could change in a very short time.
Or in the house example of butterfly spider's, it's ready. The momentum is there, the time is a verb, things are going to happen now as everything is already set in motion.
Maybe? Heavy man! :)
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I just got Hexagram 28 unchanging today; final day of writing a business plan / report for a postgrad in tech innovation.
The car battery is flat, so i need to ask a neighbour for a jumpstart.
I am behind on many house and family things to get my college work done.
The report is almost complete now; I just have to read it through and transfer to my own document (it's a team effort, but submitted individually).
I have had a few meltdowns on the way !

But nearly there!

I actually felt a sense of relief seeing the hexagram form.
A sense that there is a momentum beyond me in this now, that it all does not rest on my shoulders. This report is just about done, pressure is going to change to ease. There is a sense of letting go, not thinking, a sense of not having to figure it out!

From the Barefoot Doctor:
Identify with that aspect of you that is innately gentle and joyful – the innocent child within, for though the support structure of your life is severely strained under the excessive weight of both internal and external pressure and about to give way, you will safely walk away into fresh pastures providing you remain gentle and joyful like a child. The way of the heart will protect you and deliver you to somewhere wonderful now. The way of the intellect will merely compound the pressure.
This hexagram arises to remind you not to panic now but to trust the flow of yin and yang to transform your reality from one extreme (pressure) to the other (ease). Let the energy take you now, rather than you trying to push the energy and you will be led to a place of ultimate stillness within, free of fear and of the madness of the world, whence you will accomplish everything you want and all will be well.
I had a massive argument with my 20 yr old son yesterday about him contributing to the household, food bills etc. I was unflapped by his rage, but this is also a situation reaching critical mass. He does not want to contribute money, refuses to see that he should, is upset that his sister hid the bread and cheese last week, very angry that I accidentally used his coffee. See I don't have the money to buy food for him right now, he gets his own money. 28 here, I feel he is expecting too much of me. He accused me of cutting him off, bit by bit. I told him that this is natural at this age. He has been taking control of his own paperwork allright. I told him that no-one is deliberately targeting him, that we all have our own lives going on. I am putting the younger ones first. I remember being that age, there is a lot of tension, arguments, until you get out of the nursery and start to navigate life as an adult. I can see my parents side now haha! I'm bothered by lots of stomp stomp up and down the stairs, of 20 something young men, all hours. I can see 28 uc here too!


I found this blogpost very profound

[FONT=&quot]Deng Ming-Dao explains that the word [/FONT]Kuo[FONT=&quot] in Chinese (part of the name of this hexagram) has an alternate meaning of “a crossing”. He likened it also to a snake shedding its skin. We become better human beings when we can surpass our own barriers. The “great excess” that we experience is sometimes represented by our outgrowing old patterns of behavior that no longer fit us.[/FONT]
That sense of peace "Well I can't do what I did before"

[FONT=&quot]Extreme changes are very difficult to navigate, but it is these changes that will challenge us to put our spiritual practices into action. But, unless we have been practicing improving ourselves on a daily basis, we will not have the strength to withstand these tumultuous times. We will crumble. Crumbling isn’t necessarily bad. Things often crumble to make way for a new beginning. And, like Deng Ming-Dao said, “no one becomes great without being tested by great excess”.[/FONT]
 

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I remember receiving the answer when I was pretty stressed and uptight, as people are saying its a breaking point where things must change into something else. This could be a good or bad thing depending on the context.

I have never looked at it as comforting, more I wish that I wasn't there. However after reading the replies I suppose yes the good news is that the situation is on the verge of change.

To be honest its one of the first unchanging hexagram's I started to understand, Its quite clear in the way the hexagram looks, so so strong in the middle, yet so weak on the outside. Its falling away and changing to something else.

Thank goodness

Steve
 

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