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Trojina

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I have a lot of 38uc castings by the look of it and it seems to me what they have in common is an unexpected element involving something a bit odd

:odd:

but enlivening.


The 38uc advice that sticks in my mind right now is from Hilary on a CC call. I had 38uc for a general kind of question about my next step. Hilary's suggestion was "get weirder". It's very enjoyable to be told to get weirder. If 37 was about staying within one's role, fitting into systems and so on....well 38 doesn't go there.

I notice I had 38uc some years ago on first seeing an osteopath someone recommended. I thought at the time that 38uc wasn't a great auspice, that our views of the situation would be too divergent to get anywhere useful. That wasn't true at all. She is still my osteopath now and our divergence is very fruitful....if at times odd and often funny.

Seems to me like 38uc can feel much like the experience of drinking a fizzy drink, bubbles up your nose, frisson, it's enlivening and sparky and refreshing. Yes, looking back on my 38uc castings they aren't dull. Differing elements that don't naturally just merge bounce off each other like fizzy carbon in drinks. The enlivening sense around 38uc can be the source of much humour in a situation. There is the theory that (in terms of our evolution) laughter is due to a relief reaction following something not turning out quite as expected. Hence I see enjoyable weirdness as my personal core experience of 38uc, so far.


I really like the advice "get weirder" for 38uc.


What does Wing say of 38uc and is it anything like Hilary's advice ?

The upper trigram, LI, illumination, seeks clarity above, while the lower trigram, TUI, pleasure, finds satisfaction below. There is a divergent viewpoint in the static form as the trigrams move apart. CONTRADICTION without change suggests an alienation as elements of different natures work at cross purposes to each other. You must not allow this CONTRADICTION to contaminate your purpose. Hold to your individuality, for this alone will lead you out of the stalemate.


Ah what Wing says about holding to your individuality reminds me of another aspect of 38uc I've experienced. I recall asking for advice on a weekend away with others I wasn't going to blend seamlessly with, but with the advice of 38uc in mind it was much easier to navigate and much more enjoyable. There's no need to mesh with the values of the environment here, or to travel the same groove as others. You can still be you and it can still be enjoyable. :freak:


Quoting the Image from Hilary's book as it can be helpful in particular with unchanging castings

'Fire above, lake below: Opposing.
A noble one both harmonizes and separates.'

The elements of this situation are fire and water. You can't blend them together into a compromise. But safely kept apart, they create harmony: the sun sparkles on the lake; the light of awareness shines on the inner currents of emotion. A noble one lives with opposition, simply by understanding what harmonises and what is to be held apart.


Other experiences of 38uc ?
 

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I'm hoping people's experiences here will be widely diverging and that everyone will think everyone else's experiences of 38uc are weird :freak:
 

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BTW if my calculation is correct then 27 is the shadow of 38 so what you don't want to be doing here is looking about to see what everyone else is eating, perhaps. You aren't at the family (37) dinner table (27), you can eat what you want when you want.
 

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. . . or you're going hungry? Speaking from slightly gloomy experience. I find I tend to feel a bit left out with 38uc.

Maybe this just shows I need to more firmly embrace my left-outness and oddity, because I love your cheerier reading of it. I love "get weirder" and WIng's similar "hold to your individuality, for this alone will lead you out of the stalemate."

I get 38 in various forms a lot, and 38uc especially in "big" readings. In fact I got 38uc in response to the dopey question "what is my destiny?"

Another time I had a big dream, one of the most powerful dreams I've ever had, where I was taken prisoner and sort of tossed around by a dark, furiously angry god, who I had the sense was some sort of teacher. I asked "who was that?" and got 38uc. (And when I asked for the message of dream, I got 38.3.6-34.) I woke up from that dream _enormously_ charged up and galvanized--I guess that's the larger version of your happy fizz.
 

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. . . or you're going hungry? Speaking from slightly gloomy experience. I find I tend to feel a bit left out with 38uc.

Maybe this just shows I need to more firmly embrace my left-outness and oddity, because I love your cheerier reading of it. I love "get weirder" and WIng's similar "hold to your individuality, for this alone will lead you out of the stalemate."

I get 38 in various forms a lot, and 38uc especially in "big" readings. In fact I got 38uc in response to the dopey question "what is my destiny?"

Another time I had a big dream, one of the most powerful dreams I've ever had, where I was taken prisoner and sort of tossed around by a dark, furiously angry god, who I had the sense was some sort of teacher. I asked "who was that?" and got 38uc. (And when I asked for the message of dream, I got 38.3.6-34.) I woke up from that dream _enormously_ charged up and galvanized--I guess that's the larger version of your happy fizz.

Yes there must be much darker experiences of 38uc I just can't find any of my own.

I love 38 as the answer to 'what is my destiny' and love 38 in general as answer to the dream you had.

If you think about it 'what is my destiny ?' is looking for a pigeon hole of kinds, a 37 place to fit in. The angry god rips up such notions...they are too small, or something. Your question needs another perspective, a shake up and away from the very idea of a definable destiny. Anyway I think your answers lead you to transcend the question, asks you to look at the question differently and not think in terms of belonging with or settling down into things maybe. There's a whole 'other' intelligence in there as depicted in that great angry god chucking you about. Another view of destiny.
 

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Oh here is something on the shadow from Hilary's Blog on 38

(http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2010/05/16/hexagram-38-and-bag-ladies/)


I think (though this is still new territory for me) that this helps in understanding the Shadow Hexagram, 27, Nourishment. If you enter into a time of Opposing in search of Nourishment, looking for an environment that will hold and sustain you, looking to become part of a single ecosystem where you’re fully provided for… you will run into that utter difference like a brick wall.

So how can you respond?

I think the idea is to keep the relationship between those different visions alive, holding them together lightly in ‘small affairs’ so the survival instincts aren’t triggered and the encounter can be a blessing. This may mean allowing yourself and other people to be different; it may mean allowing yourself to contain difference. This way, you keep the possibility of seeing from the outside.

What you can’t do is create a blend and compromise – as the component trigrams, fire and lake, testify.

‘Fire above, lake below. Opposing.
A noble one both harmonises and separates.
 

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ah, that's interesting -- thank you

(and I love, love you reading of my dream--thanks for that as well)
 

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Trojina, I really relate to "get weirder" re 38. A glorious idea. Let your freak flag fly? Be original?

Knot, I just started a thread including CHOICE B: 38.3.6 > 34 re writing fiction over here: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?18438-Choice-28-1-2-3-4-gt-3-OR-38-3-6-gt-34

I really like your waking from that "tossed around" dream charged up and galvanized. You might find post #4 on the link above interesting too. It's a quote from Frank Kegan on the Memorizing 38 thread.
 

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It's not 38uc but it's pretty so I wanted to put it here. An example of how 38 might appear as a whole other species POV.

A butterfly came into my room last year and fluttered about creating quite a commotion in it's own small way. This has never happened here before so I asked Yi if it were any kind of omen...or just if Yi would comment on it. I got 38.3>21. Hilary suggested the reading might show the event from the butterfly's point of view. It ends up in a strange situation which presumably it finds quite alarming and experiences this as like the nose and feet being cut off. It's not in it's natural habitat amongst the flowers and what is more a great lumbering creature, me, is trying to herd it in some way !! The indignity of it ! However the ending was good as I herded it out of the window(my POV) she ingeniously found an escape route (her POV) Not a good beginning but a good end. I like to think Yi gave me the butterfly's version of events. I like to think it's what it told it's mates later. I can see how it may have told it's mates about a journey where

where I was taken prisoner and sort of tossed around by a dark, furiously angry god,



:D
 

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hahahaha!

(but: 38.3-14, whereas 38.2-21 -- which was it? were you the angry god, or was one of you the other's 'lord in a narrow street'? I should think a room would look pretty narrow to a butterfly)
 

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Oh yes :duh: I meant 38.3>14 yes I imagined I might be the angry god to the butterfly. I wasn't angry I was charmed. I was flapping about to make it go out because I wanted it to be safe and go and live a happy life outside but from the butterfly's POV I could have appeared angry....if butterflies could perceive anger or gods. Likewise I thought your angry god might only look angry to you but actually be flapping about as a crucial stimulus to your creativity.. (38.6)
 

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My 38 uc experiences suggest a sense of humour is pretty much required. I imagine how it feels would depend on how important it was to you to be accepted/ fit in. In other words, whether this was more than 'small affairs' to you. (Shadow 27: not good to be in search of nourishment, motivated by survival instincts.)

I have an old 38 uc when I asked, 'What happens in those conversations where I share something that inspires me, and the other person reacts with angry condemnation?' 38 seems to sum that one up elegantly: they are not seeing what you are seeing. If this were about something small, it would be just weird and funny and enlivening.
 

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38uc almost always means someone is going to disagree with me.

Last week, however, I was shopping online for a sports bra and I asked the i ching whether I should get a small or an extra small. 38uc. There was no extra small. The smallest item in stock was a small - which was the default choice on the website - and one I did not have to change.
 

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Looking back through my castings, I have had 38UC in situations where things worked themselves out later.

- After bidding for the 2nd time on a flat, I asked what the outcome would be. I lost that bid, but it came back on the market 2 months later and I bought it then, and at a lower price- 3rd time lucky. In that case, I felt like an outsider, I got the impression the seller wanted the flat to go to someone they knew, someone local. Although I did not cast 56, but 38. I cannot see how small things were involved here, or individuality.

- before signing a contract, I asked advice, 38UC. It did not bode well, suggesting that the other party and I were estranged, operating on different assumptions etc... yet I had little choice but to proceed, with some trepidation. Long story short, there were a LOT of delays, and a LOT of details to negotiate along the way, one item at a time (settling small things) but they did deliver on their ultimate promise. The only interpretation that makes sense is that the other party had conflicting priorities (estrangement, alienation) which delayed our project - nevertheless, we were in agreement on the end result.

I also cast 38UC for un reconcilable differences in relationships though. In conclusion, with 38UC, I never know if it is minor and temporary or major and permanent.
 

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hexagram 38, For me it is what it is, imagine the north pole and the south pole colliding, still its success in small matters. Its so tiring and yes sure you get small wins, buts it is not enough. All I am prepared to say, it feels like the opposite of everything that should make sense. Maybe God is saying not everything is supposed to make sense, I believe the advice is to learn and accept, Not everyone is the same let's face it.

to me it feels like catching rainbows if you get to the end will be a leprechaun with a pot of gold
You know there is no pot of gold so make the most of it along the way.

" you cant always get what you want" " but if you try sometimes you get what you need"

So handle it, we never stop learning i guess

Steve
 
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I wanted to apply for housing benefits, that is some money my town is giving out to people to help them pay their rent due to the Covid emergency.

I currently meet all requirements except a certain % decrease in my earnings due to the health pandemics and with respect to the same period last year.
My income has only decreased by 6% and that’s not considered enough to apply for help. The fact is it was already so low I should be among the first ones to get help in paying rent.

I was a little tempted to apply anyway for two reasons:
My income is very low
I havent actually earned anything at all up to now (I haven’t been paid, so if they check my bank account, my income has decreased by a lot more than 6%)



the problem is I have issued an invoice and in theory that means I have generated income although I haven’t been paid yet

plus, it can’t really be said that my lower income is Covid related.. it’s just that some months I earn less and other months more.
I asked
Applying for housing benefits anyway? 38un
Makes me think they wouldn’t see things how I see them so better not risk it and get fined for trying to get what I don’t deserve according to their standards 😬
 
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I have a lot of 38uc castings by the look of it and it seems to me what they have in common is an unexpected element involving something a bit odd

:odd:

but enlivening.


The 38uc advice that sticks in my mind right now is from Hilary on a CC call. I had 38uc for a general kind of question about my next step. Hilary's suggestion was "get weirder". It's very enjoyable to be told to get weirder. If 37 was about staying within one's role, fitting into systems and so on....well 38 doesn't go there.

I notice I had 38uc some years ago on first seeing an osteopath someone recommended. I thought at the time that 38uc wasn't a great auspice, that our views of the situation would be too divergent to get anywhere useful. That wasn't true at all. She is still my osteopath now and our divergence is very fruitful....if at times odd and often funny.

Seems to me like 38uc can feel much like the experience of drinking a fizzy drink, bubbles up your nose, frisson, it's enlivening and sparky and refreshing. Yes, looking back on my 38uc castings they aren't dull. Differing elements that don't naturally just merge bounce off each other like fizzy carbon in drinks. The enlivening sense around 38uc can be the source of much humour in a situation. There is the theory that (in terms of our evolution) laughter is due to a relief reaction following something not turning out quite as expected. Hence I see enjoyable weirdness as my personal core experience of 38uc, so far.


I really like the advice "get weirder" for 38uc.


What does Wing say of 38uc and is it anything like Hilary's advice ?




Ah what Wing says about holding to your individuality reminds me of another aspect of 38uc I've experienced. I recall asking for advice on a weekend away with others I wasn't going to blend seamlessly with, but with the advice of 38uc in mind it was much easier to navigate and much more enjoyable. There's no need to mesh with the values of the environment here, or to travel the same groove as others. You can still be you and it can still be enjoyable. :freak:


Quoting the Image from Hilary's book as it can be helpful in particular with unchanging castings




Other experiences of 38uc ?
Went back to view the date of this post, 3.14.2014 & gasped. I now understand how we embody the opposition - on this posted date I was only a few days into having met and fallen into ❤️ Love so deeply as to realize NOW we embody this opposition and this is why we all are a #TwinFlame. So inspiring is this for me personally tonight in the midst of #earthchange we now shall consider a #seachange for us all. To grasp Love is embodying the #Opposition to feel the polarity in your being is exhilarating. Naturally it emanates from a very modern version of the timeless story of falling into Love the only life we live.
 

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