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40uc Thunder over Water​


If this is something that holds purpose for you do it.

If it doesn't don't do it.

Pretty much that's how I see 40uc.

It's not complex.

It's not knotty.


The only complexity to meet here is figuring whether what you are asking about is

a) something to let go of now

or

b) something to get on with now.​


Despite seeming simple it isn't always clear in practise which to do. I guess that's because this answer generally throws you straight back to your own decision.



Oh No :eek:


Looking back through my own readings it looks as simple as that anyway. In difficult situations it's seemed to mean to just let them go and move on...or move off. You can't stay engaged with whatever knot you are faced with....it's already coming undone.


Some of The Image from Hilary's book (because I find the advice Image especially useful for unchanging answers)

'Thunder and rain do their work: Release.
A noble one pardons transgressions and forgives crimes.'

Imagine the air after a thunderstorm: clean, clear, all the tension released. Humans do the work of thunder and rain through forgiveness. Just as, in the trigrams, thunder comes forth from an inner trigram representing rain and flowing water, so action can spring from fluidity rather than a rigid stance. (Think of a master of Tai Ji in motion or a springing cat.).........


Wing says of 40uc

K'AN, difficulty, in the lower trigram stimulates into activity CHEN, arousing movement, in the upper realm. Such a reaction brings good fortune. When none of the lines are moving, it signals an internal process of LIBERATION. It may be the passing of an unhealthy habit or pattern of behaviour. Perhaps you will discard a short sighted opinion that has stifled your growth or an unrealistic obsession that consumes your energies. Whatever the nature of this internal LIBERATION, it is a permanent improvement in your character.


Please share any experiences of how 40uc has played out for you :cool:

If you want to
If you don't want then don't...heh​
 

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I came across this in a promo type email from Claire Hayes, an EFT person. (very 40ish is EFT) She points to 2.05 in the video as he embodies spring there.


[video=youtube;MYpUBiKpD84]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MYpUBiKpD84#t=2[/video]

I just liked it for a 40 feel.
 
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I thought it just meant release and accept. I guess let go and move on is similar. That's what seems to happen for me in 40. It feels like just release/accept this pain/frustration and eventually you will be free of it. But if you go against it, you are in for some suffering.( I get that part because of the times I went against the release after receiving 40.) I don't see the special in 40. Just kind of there, how it is, nothing special, nothing to really look forward to, yet nothing to suffer as long as I release and accept. Hmmm
 

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I meant my experience of 40 is either to do with letting something go or getting on with it and doing it.
It's not a time of 'wait and see' it's time to move, the storm has cleared

The whole thing seems to revolve around whether there is a 'direction to go' or not and I see this as as asking you "is there a purpose to this thing I'm thinking of doing or not ?"

I'll give a recent concrete example.

I recently sent off a short story to a pretty bad magazine as I figured I could write within the formulaic framework they wanted. I did this because I thought it was worth a go as I heard they paid about £300 per story. I got a rejection letter saying the end of my story was too predictable :freak: well at least it was feedback on where I had gone wrong so useful in that sense. So I wondered if I should get on with it and write another one, with more of a twist at the end ? I asked Yi if I should send them more stories and got 40uc.


I think 40uc was saying "well do you think this is a direction to go ? If you think it is then do it soon, if you think it isn't then release it, drop it, and go do something else". I wasn't sure if I wanted to bother.
What has happened is I haven't written another one yet since there is seemingly not enough inner drive or purpose in it for me. I was only doing it as a way to make some money from my couch ;) I wasn't doing it because I felt a real connection or commitment to the magazine, or because I like to write stories and so on, it was just a money making exercise.

There are lots of things in life one could do. I like to think if I really put my mind to it I could think of some twisty endings to stories, but it is just not a central purpose to me and others can do it with far more ease. I think 40uc asked me to choose...and I did choose by not sending another one, not yet anyway.

In my experience, and from what I notice in SR, 40uc tends to come up far more as 'advice' to relinquish a project or relationship etc than it does to move forward with it. However I have also seen it as 'carry on don't let this little knot get in the way' . I have seen it come up where problems or disputes might have disrupted things if they hadn't just been allowed to dissolve as if they had never been. 40 uc is 'easy dissolve' I think.


I cannot think of 40uc without a memory of a sewing lesson as a child which I hated. I hated sewing and I hated the teacher. One day I got a knot in the cotton I was already sewing with. I could not do anything, could not go forward or back, whatever I tried the knot remained. In the end I took it to the teacher to show her the knot. She just pulled the cotton sharply and said, magician like, "there was no knot there then, and there is no knot there now" (or something like that) and the knot had indeed vanished :confused: It was interesting as I had delayed going to her as I thought I would get into trouble over the knot. Of course I did not cast 40uc about it as there was no IC for children. If there had been I would have consulted while she wasn't looking. Must have stuck in my mind because insurmountable obstacles, the knot and being scared of her, vanished in an instant.
 

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Despite seeming simple it isn't always clear in practise which to do.

Do you think hex 40 could be seen as "do what will bring you 'relief'?"

In your short story example, it seems like you feel a sense of relief at not forcing yourself to write more stories. You said it doesn't come especially naturally to you, and you didn't feel much sense of connection to it. Had you tried, and kept getting rejection letters, it may have become more and more a bad experience.

Maybe that was implied in the answer. "What will bring you a sense of relief, Trojina? Letting it go. And btw don't worry; the dumb magazine won't take your stories anyway. So don't torment yourself with something you don't enjoy doing when it won't help you."

I mean, Yi could have told you to persevere regardless, because the end result would be good. There are lines for that (not that I can think of them at the moment), but you didn't get those.

In the sewing example - let's pretend you actually cast a reading and got hex 40, there in sewing class :D - what brought you relief? Going to the teacher, who fixed things. Hex 40 would have described several aspects of that situation: (1) what would bring you relief, (2) the fact that the teacher solved the problem, (3) her lovely reaction to you ("Look, little one: Poof! Gone!"), (4) the fact that you did not get in trouble, despite fearing you might. Every aspect of the incident was 40-ish.

So it brought you relief to go to the teacher. You may have never fixed the knot yourself, sitting there stewing over it, because it likely would never have occurred to you to yank on the fabric like that. Even if you had thought of it, you might have been afraid of ripping it. You had no experience to tell you what to do, but the teacher did.

So if, in this semi-fictional example, you'd asked yourself, "What will bring me relief here?" you probably would have come to the conclusion that the best chance of that would be in going to the teacher, despite your trepidation.
 
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Do you think hex 40 could be seen as "do what will bring you 'relief'?"

Possibly, sometimes, though question are not always about proposed action, often things are out of our hands. Things get released because they do.

In your short story example, it seems like you feel a sense of relief at not forcing yourself to write more stories. You said it doesn't come especially naturally to you, and you didn't feel much sense of connection to it. Had you tried, and kept getting rejection letters, it may have become more and more a bad experience.

I think 40uc was a very neutral answer. Did I feel it was worth it ? Was it a direction for me ?

Maybe that was implied in the answer. "What will bring you a sense of relief, Trojan? Letting it go. And btw don't worry; the dumb magazine won't take your stories anyway. So don't torment yourself with something you don't enjoy doing when it won't help you."

I mean, Yi could have told you to persevere regardless, because the end result would be good. There are lines for that (not that I can think of them at the moment), but you didn't get those.

Yes, if I had got a answer stressing perseverance it would have been a different matter. Really it didn't matter much to me if I sent another story or didn't. However I think if it were my 'destiny' or my real work to get those stories out there then the answer likely would have shown that and I would have had a sense of purpose, a drive to do it.

In the sewing example - let's pretend you actually cast a reading and got hex 40, there in sewing class :D - what brought you relief? Going to the teacher, who fixed things. Hex 40 would have described several aspects of that situation: (1) what would bring you relief, (2) the fact that the teacher solved the problem, (3) her lovely reaction to you ("Look, little one: Poof! Gone!"), (4) the fact that you did not get in trouble, despite fearing you might. Every aspect of the incident was 40-ish.

So it brought you relief to go to the teacher. You may have never fixed the knot yourself, sitting there stewing over it, because it likely would never have occurred to you to yank on the fabric like that. Even if you had thought of it, you might have been afraid of ripping it. You had no experience to tell you what to do, but the teacher did.

So if, in this semi-fictional example, you'd asked yourself, "What will bring me relief here?" you probably would have come to the conclusion that the best chance of that would be in going to the teacher, despite your trepidation.


Yes, because I must have followed that thought process in the classroom. How could I solve this ? If I sat there trying to fix it myself it would be a mess and I'd be in trouble, I couldn't make progress with it (more trouble for not making progress) and if I took it to her I might be in trouble. I must have figured option 2 was less risky from past experience with unpredictable adults.

BTW we continued to dislike one another intensely. She only ever bought me relief on that one occasion and I think she was more like saying "the knot doesn't exist" rather than being kind. Anyway at least I learned how to get knots out of cotton.
 

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Do you think hex 40 could be seen as "do what will bring you 'relief'?"

Going back to that Lisa, I'm sure I've seen 40uc a number of times in SR where the person doesn't want to let go...or they are still at the stage where they think it will work but it doesn't look promising to the reader/from an outsider POV. I can't be certain but I do think I've seen times when people don't want the 40 to mean 'let go' and for myself I've seen it that way...I mean having it before I'm quite ready to let go. With hindsight of course it's nothing but relief but there can be times one doesn't want to let go as in relinquish.

The Judgement from Wilhelm

DELIVERANCE. The southwest furthers.
If there is no longer anything where one has to go,
Return brings good fortune.
If there is still somewhere one has to go,
Hastening brings good fortune.

He then says in the commentary

"This refers to a time in which tensions and complications begin to be eased. At such times we ought to make our way back to ordinary conditions as soon as possible; this is the meaning of "the southwest".

This does seem to tally with doing what brings you back to your normal state, IOW as you said, whatever brings you relief. If there is something real to be done, a direction go, you will know it.

I think often people get this when in a state of tension through being unsure whether to act or not. We all know that great sense of relief when we make a choice. I reckon 40uc shows that relief is imminent or at least we are in a position to make the choice easily.
 

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This does seem to tally with doing what brings you back to your normal state, IOW as you said, whatever brings you relief. If there is something real to be done, a direction go, you will know it.

I think often people get this when in a state of tension through being unsure whether to act or not. We all know that great sense of relief when we make a choice. I reckon 40uc shows that relief is imminent or at least we are in a position to make the choice easily.

Oh, I see. So one possibility when getting 40uc might be to be on the lookout for tiny little voices inside saying it might be best to let something go, even if you're unsure or actively do not want to.

Or, maybe you could try the options on mentally, sort of role-play them in your head, to see which feels better, which brings you more of a sense of relief.

Or, if "having a direction to go" would involve a lot of struggle (e.g. trying to save a situation or relationship, hanging onto something, trying to make something work), then hex 40 would be advice not to do that. In order for hex 40 to mean "do this thing, keep on with it," it would have to be something you could "hasten" to do - do it quickly and get it done, get it over with, etc. It wouldn't have to be an onerous thing necessarily, but it does bring to mind parents saying, "Do your homework now, and then you can forget about it."

Writing and submitting short stories would not be that kind of "do it" situation for you, although of course it might be for a professional writer.

Does that make any sense? I'm trying to poke apart the following reaction to the text you quoted: "But I don't know whether there's anything there or not!" Are there ways of using a hex 40 essence to help figure that part out?

The "southwest" in the text. Wilhelm says it means "ordinary conditions." But again, sometimes you don't know what "ordinary conditions" are supposed to be. Is it "ordinary conditions" to stay with my boyfriend, because I've been dating him for a while now? Or is it more "ordinary" to break up with him and get on with my own life? :confused:

The southwest (if I have this right) can also mean "where there are helpers." Hilary says in a blog post that the southwest means partners and allies, and does NOT mean to "‘go it alone’ in heroic fashion."

And I'm guessing that helpers, partners, and allies don't only mean other people. It could mean anything that would make the matter asked about easier, or make the decision easier. So if you get hex 40, and you are able to think of something that would help you, something that might fix it, or a resource you could make use of, then go right ahead in that direction. If you can't (quickly) find any aids, then release the matter?

If that's not obvious (in a relationship, say), maybe it would mean that if you can quickly resolve the issue the two of you are having, then do so and the relationship will be fine. If you can't, then don't keep struggling with it?
 
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Oh, I see. So one possibility when getting 40uc might be to be on the lookout for tiny little voices inside saying it might be best to let something go, even if you're unsure or actively do not want to.

Yes, I think so, but I don't know more about 40uc than you do, I'm just sharing my experience up till now.

Or, maybe you could try the options on mentally, sort of role-play them in your head, to see which feels better, which brings you more of a sense of relief.

I think I did that with the story writing yes

Or, if "having a direction to go" would involve a lot of struggle (e.g. trying to save a situation or relationship, hanging onto something, trying to make something work), then hex 40 would be advice not to do that. In order for hex 40 to mean "do this thing, keep on with it," it would have to be something you could "hasten" to do - do quickly and get it done, get it over with, etc. It wouldn't have to be an onerous thing necessarily, but it does bring to mind parents saying, "Do your homework now, and then you can forget about it."

Yes...well I don't think it would necessarily have to mean something you could do quickly...it may be a long term project, but it would mean not procrastinating. So if it were something difficult you'd need a good solid sense of purpose to get started. A motivation, a reason, a purpose. Then if you have that there's no point hanging around is there, better get to work. You have heard the phrase 'either piss or get off the pot'...it's like that

Writing and submitting short stories would not be that kind of "do it" situation for you, although of course it might be for a professional writer.

As I said I think it was my choice. Not that it was to do it or not to do it....my choice. My choice currently tells me it's not worth the bother.

Does that make any sense? I'm trying to poke apart the following reaction to the text you quoted: "But I don't know whether there's anything there or not!" Are there ways of using a hex 40 essence to help figure that part out?

I'm not sure what reaction you mean. Who said 'I don't know.....' ?

The "southwest" in the text. Wilhelm says it means "ordinary conditions." But again, sometimes you don't know what "ordinary conditions" are supposed to be. Is it "ordinary conditions" to stay with my boyfriend, because I've been dating him for a while now? Or is it more "ordinary" to break up with him and get on with my own life? :confused:

No sometimes you don't know what that's supposed to be, you actually don't know whether to piss or get off the pot ...although in hindsight you usually see you knew all along. Hopefully people will throw their experiences in which will help give a flavour of the 40uc experience....in all it's diversity.

The southwest (if I have this right) can also mean "where there are helpers." Hilary says in a blog post that the southwest means partners and allies, and does NOT mean to "‘go it alone’ in heroic fashion."

And I'm guessing that helpers, partners, and allies don't only mean other people. It could mean anything that would make the matter asked about easier, or make the decision easier. So if you get hex 40, and you are able to think of something that would help you, something that might fix it, or a resource you could make use of, then go right ahead in that direction. If you can't (quickly) find any aids, then release the matter?

Well here is where thinking in terms of the pair comes in handy. You know how 39uc might feel ? Well 40uc is the other side of that presumably. In 39 it seems we need to find allies. To me 40uc often feels very much like giving up something that was an uphill struggle. But there are other ways to experience 40uc like sometimes continuing on with something and letting the blips sort themselves out. And then there is the whole emotional aspect of 40....

Anyway in some situations it's not about your choice, what you do or don't so. 40uc can show situations that just resolve themselves, are no longer an issue....like the cotton knot.
 

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And we are speaking of 40 uc in particular, what that says...I think 40uc has an inevitability about it. It's going to be released. It's not so much an instruction as a prediction perhaps.
 
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The 39/40 pair can be likened to a bow and arrow. Pulling back on the bow string creates increased resistance against the bow. Releasing the string sends the arrow forward due to releasing the increased tension.
 

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I'm trying to poke apart the following reaction to the text you quoted: "But I don't know whether there's anything there or not!" Are there ways of using a hex 40 essence to help figure that part out?

I'm not sure what reaction you mean. Who said 'I don't know.....' ?

I just meant generally...when someone asks a question, gets 40uc, reads the Judgment and sees:

"If there is no longer anything where one has to go,
Return brings good fortune.
If there is still somewhere one has to go,
Hastening brings good fortune."

and then thinks, "But I don't know if there is somewhere to go or not...so...I have no idea what the reading is telling me :confused:."

well I don't think it would necessarily have to mean something you could do quickly...it may be a long term project, but it would mean not procrastinating. So if it were something difficult you'd need a good solid sense of purpose to get started. A motivation, a reason, a purpose. Then if you have that there's no point hanging around is there, better get to work.

Yes, I can see how even if it's a large project, there could be a sense of relief in somehow getting off the dime and getting some momentum.

Sounds like the opposite of the hex 9 Judgment ("opposite" in the colloquial sense, not that they're opposite hexagrams). How to get some relief from the ominous feeling of clouds hanging over your head? Don't procrastinate, do something. (There are other ways for Yi to say, "Do something," but getting 40uc might be meant to more address the emotional aspect, as you said.)

But, any second now you will point out that this thread is for experiences, not theory. And you've cleared up my underlying question from your earlier post, in which you said you thought hex 40 was a very neutral reading about your story writing. I thought to myself that I didn't really think of hex 40 as saying, "Meh, whatever" (my interpretation of "neutral"), and so I was trying to get into that a little more. You've done that, so thanks.
 
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"If there is no longer anything where one has to go,
Return brings good fortune.
If there is still somewhere one has to go,
Hastening brings good fortune."

If you draw back the bow
then decide there's nowhere you want that arrow to go
then you release it slow
and return it to where it was befo.

But if you want to send it ahead
you release quickly instead.

Either way there's no sense in straining
moaning or paining
unless you just want the exercise
of resistance training.
 

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Sooo, am not sure if you're responding to something I said, or following up your earlier post?
 

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But, any second now you will point out that this thread is for experiences, not theory. And you've cleared up my underlying question from your earlier post, in which you said you thought hex 40 was a very neutral reading about your story writing. I thought to myself that I didn't really think of hex 40 as saying, "Meh, whatever" (my interpretation of "neutral"), and so I was trying to get into that a little more. You've done that, so thanks.

Well theory can shape how we perceive our experience and experience can inform our theory. There's a lot to translate between what the books say and what we live through. For me to see how a number people lived through 40uc is interesting, but yes, even in reporting experience we try to relate it back to what the text says, the trigrams and so on, but even then it can't always be pinned down. We can't always pin down how we come to understand an answer.

Anyway you spoke of opposites. FWIW the opposite/complement of 40 is 37. The shadow of 40 is 25, strangely. The shadow is apparently what not to do....so in 40 uc don't do 25 is the theory. How that works out is yet to be explored. The nuclear hexagram of 40 is 63 which I like, I can relate to, that sense of already done.

Rosada had a thread on opposites I'll go see if she had done 40 and 37

Ah yes it was discussed how 40 and 37 may be complements from post 88 on this thread http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?17790-Hexagram-Opposites/page5
 

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Ah yes it was discussed how 40 and 37 may be complements from post 88 on this thread http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?17790-Hexagram-Opposites/page5

Just read that...I sort of get how 37 can be the "normal conditions" 40 advises us to get back to...and Rosada's "Get Out of Jail Free" card metaphor for 40 is brilliant (encompassing both "release" and "a relief").

Wilhelm says "ordinary conditions" in his commentary, and Hilary even more directly references 37 (if that was actually her intention, of course) in hers: "The first step towards release is a move 'southwest': no longer battling on to pursue the mission, but going back to your roots and reconnecting with home and allies."

The ideal of 40 is 35, which I'm having an easier time understanding right now than 25 or 37. 35 is advancing and making progress, and when you get something taken care of, done, out of the way - or when you just forget about it and let it go - you are advancing and making progress.

Most of the rest of the 40-37 discussion is too much for my poor brain to grasp right now, though.
 

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Could 25 be the shadow of 40 like this?

40 calls for either doing something, or making the decision to NOT do it, but either way resolving the situation and returning to normal, tension-free conditions.

25 is disentangling or detachment, just keeping out of a situation. Sometimes disentangling actually does resolve a matter, but could 25 also be seen as ignoring something? 40 doesn't really mean ignoring things, it's more letting things go on purpose, so that you can then stop worrying about them. (Ignored projects are often NOT projects you can stop worrying about.)

In your sewing example, Trojina, 25 may have been leaving class with your fabric still knotted, hoping that somehow when you returned to it the knot would have magically disappeared and you wouldn't have to interact with your mean teacher. That would have prolonged your tension. Instead you bravely showed it to your teacher, who was nice for once and made it go away.

In a relationship issue, could 25 mean letting issues drift, unresolved, until the relationship sort of dwindles out on its own? Or like when people say of friends, "Well, we sort of just lost touch." (Which happens, of course, and a lot of times isn't even blameworthy.) Whereas would 40 mean purposely ending things with the other person, saying, "I'm breaking up with you; I consider myself free to see other people, and so should you"? Closure, not drifting?
 
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Sooo, am not sure if you're responding to something I said, or following up your earlier post?

Just a paraphrase of the judgment using the example of a bow and arrow from a simple physics point of view.

A dam can also be used. The water is restrained and the water (power/tension/volume) builds up (in 39), until the dam gates open and releases the water. The controlled release of power can be used to generate electricity.

In the case of resistance training, it's the restrained and released repetition of force that builds muscle. I believe life is a course in resistance training. People ask, why does life have to be so difficult? Because if life was easy, we'd all be limp and useless wastes of organic tissue. This includes mental and emotional strength as well as physical. The idea is to build resistance and release it. That's from a constructive point of view.

But because sometimes life throws obstructions in our path, we can still use that resistance by controlling it. Of course if we drive our car into a stone wall, the resistance (or obstruction) will probably kill us. In such a case, applying the brakes creates resistance to the wheels and stops the forward force.

So, if there's somewhere to go, then go. If not, then return. Either way the tension in 40 is released.
 

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Could 25 be the shadow of 40 like this?

40 calls for either doing something, or making the decision to NOT do it, but either way resolving the situation and returning to normal, tension-free conditions.

25 is disentangling or detachment, just keeping out of a situation. Sometimes disentangling actually does resolve a matter, but could 25 also be seen as ignoring something? 40 doesn't really mean ignoring things, it's more letting things go on purpose, so that you can then stop worrying about them. (Ignored projects are often NOT projects you can stop worrying about.)

In your sewing example, Trojina, 25 may have been leaving class with your fabric still knotted, hoping that somehow when you returned to it the knot would have magically disappeared and you wouldn't have to interact with your mean teacher. That would have prolonged your tension. Instead you bravely showed it to your teacher, who was nice for once and made it go away.

In a relationship issue, could 25 mean letting issues drift, unresolved, until the relationship sort of dwindles out on its own? Or like when people say of friends, "Well, we sort of just lost touch." (Which happens, of course, and a lot of times isn't even blameworthy.) Whereas would 40 mean purposely ending things with the other person, saying, "I'm breaking up with you; I consider myself free to see other people, and so should you"? Closure, not drifting?


Yes I can see that. 25 in the sewing situation might, hypothetically, have been me disowning the problem. BTW some years later, I still hated sewing and a different sewing teacher was giving me a hard time, so I put the thing I was sewing in the bin and told her I'd lost it. :p heh heh I wonder if that action was 25ish or 40ish.

I'm not so sure of 40 as clear decision as often 43 comes up for that. The trouble with hypothetical situations is we cannot predict what Yi would have given us as we really don't know. I think that's where the value of real lived experiences comes in. Often I experience 40 as something irresistible and I wonder if that is how 63 shows as it's nuclear. I mean the thing is already done, the state of tension cannot last....it has to break one way or the other and if we don't let it go something lets it go for us. You can see how this also sounds a bit like 28 .

One can feel the nature of 40...I feel it a natural process. Whatever you choose things will always try to find a way to return to normal conditions. For example I didn't really make a conscious choice with the story writing.

However others may have examples of how 40uc was for them a very conscious choice ?
 

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u know how 39uc might feel ? Well 40uc is the other side of that presumably. In 39 it seems we need to find allies. To me 40uc often feels very much like giving up something that was an uphill struggle

That's interesting -- I've been thinking about the difference between these two hexagrams. When do we get 40uc meaning "just forget it, let it go" vs when do we get 39uc meaning "road blocked, turn around and go back"? (which is what most of the 39 lines advise). I feel like somehow 40 comes with the feeling of "this is really fine, whether or not it's what you envisioned."

I get 40uc a lot, probably because I am bad at it, if you know what I mean (there is a reason I chose the name knot, as I am often a big internal one.) And yes like lisa I've got it at the end of a long line of knotty questions, what about this, what about THIS??--honey. No. Let this go.

From hilary's commentary on the wiki, these sentences have been most helpful to me:

first fall back and regroup because you can’t see the destination.

The relaxation of ‘southwest’ is the first step. [this one is CRUCIAL, to me]

Action comes from inner fluidity

letting go of your own guilt
Some experiences:

- At the end of a series of questions about some money I have been (sort of--complicated situation) owed for over a year, and really need: is there ONE thing I can hear? 40uc [Ten minutes later, I got word that the person had agreed to set a date to send the money, which was a big step forward, but it would be three months in the future, ARGH. What I now think 40uc meant was: you have no control anyway, just let it go.]

- Some time earlier, about the same situation, worried about my finances, I said "maybe it will all be okay without my trying to control it?” 40uc Here is trojina's dilemma--does that mean it's fine, no worries? or does it mean set out at dawn to find new income sources?

- A friend asked me to revise a letter for him, and after I returned it to him I felt anxious--was that okay? would all my suggestions offend him? 40uc [He wrote a couple of days later to thank me and say he loved it.]

- Anxious about a revision plan I'd sent my editor, I said I need to quell these post-action doubts-- I still think revision plan is good! 40uc [She approved it a few days later.]

- My reading for a week last December was 5.4-43 (this was a time when I was in complete knots about several issues, including the one above). When I saw that I said ARGH: Is there a positive direction to go in instead? 40uc [I did not take this excellent advice]

- Still feel raw about [difficult professional situation] 40uc [am still working on taking this attitude]

- What do I need to understand about [a thing I had no control over but quite wanted to happen] 40uc [still has not happened a year later, no sign that it ever will]

- When I read line 6.1 as 'stop asking and trust,’ it does feel liberating 40uc

- Out of curiosity I did a reading for "show me the right brain" (I was feeling rather left-brained I think) 40uc

- When much younger, I was in a relationship that I knew wasn't right (we both had other SOs), and yet which was overwhelmingly compelling and liberating-feeling--it changed me a great deal for the better in many, many ways. I asked "why am I doing this, what am I getting out of it?" and got 40uc
 

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At the end of a series of questions about some money I have been (sort of--complicated situation) owed for over a year, and really need: is there ONE thing I can hear? 40uc [Ten minutes later, I got word that the person had agreed to set a date to send the money, which was a big step forward, but it would be three months in the future, ARGH. What I now think 40uc meant was: you have no control anyway, just let it go.]

That's so interesting. Right at that specific moment, when you asked for one thing you could hear, what happened? You instantly heard something! :D

And even though it was still a while until you actually received the money, at least you knew that the person hadn't forgotten about it, and was actually setting a date that wasn't terribly far off (in the context of how long you'd already waited). So, theoretically, you could feel some relief from the tension of knowing nothing.

Maybe an implication in the 40uc was that Yi was telling you it was okay to be relieved, because the person actually would pay you. (I can imagine that given the history, you may have thought something like, "Sure, right, I'll believe it when I see it.")
 

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I was hoping you'd turn up Knot...how could a 40uc thread be complete with a Knot in it !

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Maybe an implication in the 40uc was that Yi was telling you it was okay to be relieved, because the person actually would pay you. (I can imagine that given the history, you may have thought something like, "Sure, right, I'll believe it when I see it.")

You are quite right about my doubts this will ever be real, and I love the idea that it was saying it's okay to feel relieved! I'll let you know how it turns out.
 

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i had to laught and need to share this !!!

have two 40s that struggle with for the past 3 weeks the one and for a shorter time the other.

for the "difficult" one which is about a very important for me matte. Followed Yi advise :mischief:i.e. had a crush test-meeting with friends to gain perspective and see if Im missing something. Every angle they mention had thought -extensively - about it. There are some pros and quite a lot cons yet I found my self saying " i know all those aspects and it might be a mistake but we all do and I want to do that !!!" :rolleyes: .... a relieve but a short-lived one because i started thinking it over again ... till an hour ago when I draw an Osho card and really had to laugh with my self and my resoluteness ( not)... it reads :

Theperson on this card brings a new twist to the old idea of ″gettingstuck between a rock and a hard place″! But we are in preciselythis sort of situation when we get stuck in the indecisive anddualistic aspect of the mind. Should I let my arms go and fallhead-first, or let my legs go and fall feet-first? Should I go hereor there? Should I say yes or no? And whatever decision we make, wewill always wonder if we should have decided the other way. The onlyway out of this dilemma is, unfortunately, to let go of both at once.You can′t work your way out of this one by solving it, making listsof pros and cons, or in any way working it out with your mind. Betterto follow your heart, if you can find it. If you can′t find it,just jump--your heart will start beating so fast there will be nomistake about where it is!

:bag:.. ouch :rofl:

I'm not sure if 40 is much about decisions and consequences like 43 in some ways , or the inner conflict of 6. $0 feels like there is a "decision" somewhere in our mind but we have a difficulty to execute it.

40 brings in mind the story of gordian knot and Alexander the great. He couldn't untie the knot so he took his swords and cut it. We have a saying here, that comes from that story " what which you can untie you cut it" .. the thunder, i think.

The other recent 40 was about the study plan. Need 3 book where I combine info but this seems to slow down my pace and cause confusion because i dwell a lot in details. the question was should I keep that plan or just finish the one book and then add additional info in a space I have save for them... I know , not a big deal but it created that tension for a while dwelling on "should i do this or that"

Those two recent situations add some more questions, like the ones I read here hoping to find answers ;) . Is it about consequences of our decision or Just "false dilemmas" that somehow cover our lack of be resolved because we start think over it ? I have not much to say about this because its a new idea, but I have the feeling and fade recollections that 40 comes after a decision ( sometimes conscious others unconscious ) and the forgiveness might also refer to the consequences of a wrong decision and somehow freeing us. Feel like there are not shoulds or should nots and if there are in our mind, then seems we need to untie ourselves from them... jump, see where our heart is and what it says. or us Nike ad says "just do it!!!"... ???
 

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Had some anxiety about meeting with a group of friends like we do every week, I frankly didn't want to go, asked the Yi what I needed to know about this and got 40 uc, found out later the guy who usually hosts wanted a break this week. :) so we did not get together and I was 'released', and I think it was also advocating that I not worry about it.
 

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I just would like to share how 40 played out to me.
i think what's behind it is that whatever tension you feeling while asking the question -
that tension should be released.
For example. i asked whether that person is a bad partner for work, i had so many concerns about her - and got 40. turned out yes she was but i didn't need to worry about all side issues. Just free myself from doubts.

and then stressed whether I have to submit documents till the end of deadline,, very stressed,, whether to do or postpone or what to do...40 unchanging...Be relieved!!. turned out i didn't even
need to submit those documents
 

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i think what's behind it is that whatever tension you feeling while asking the question -
that tension should be released.

...I think that's really important in understanding a 40uc answer, noting where that tension is
 

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I'd just like to add that I had 40uc in the exact same situation described by Trojina. I'd had an article refused by a journal with some quite substantial criticisms - all justified - and was wondering whether to rewrite and resend elsewhere based on the feedback, or move on. 40uc. Like Trojina, while I felt I could try again, my heart (if honest) wasn't really in it, especially as I seem to be taking a slightly different direction now. 40uc seemed to say that yes, if I think there's purpose in rewriting, go ahead; otherwise move on. For now, I move on...
 

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And we are speaking of 40 uc in particular, what that says...I think 40uc has an inevitability about it. It's going to be released. It's not so much an instruction as a prediction perhaps.

So I have another example hot off the press. A bird seemed to fall down my chimney, making a lot of racket and seemed to be stuck over the extractor fan above my range cooker. I asked yi what I should do, and then found the number of a chimney sweep. I said, should I call this guy? Yi: 40uc.

Well, I didn't know what to make of that precisely, but it sounded like 'release', so I called. A helpful woman answered and said she'd call back once she'd found someone to come straight away. She called back 10 mins later saying apologetically that she couldn't get anyone for 2 days, but by that time the chimney was totally quiet. I've had not a peep from it since. I can't imagine a creature that noisy would have died so quickly, so I must conclude it managed to get out! 40uc? Deliverance...!

The uc nature indicating that, perhaps, i didn't really need to do anything at all...?

Well I hope at least nothing died in the chimney :(
 

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I usually order from an online store on Sundays or Monday. They ship my items (by external courier) 3 days later and I get my stuff on the 4th day. Last week I ordered on Friday, and on the same day I got an e-mail saying they'd just shipped my stuff.

When will my items arrive? 40 unchanging, Deliverance!

Tracking status remained "No records found" all weekend and most of Monday. Today (Tuesday) my items are in transit.

40uc: items will be released for delivery right away but remain stationary for a bit.
 

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