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Thread: Your Experiences with Unchanging Castings-Hexagram 23

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    RIP Sir Terry
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    He's a Magician, you can tell by his great style and his hat, so he knew hexagram 23 was in the air..(Granny Weatherwax came into the thread to say she 'aten't dead yet' .....) so I think I shall dedicate this thread to Terry Pratchett.

    I found some of his thoughts on death ...and heck as we are in hex 23uc and Weatherwax came by too I thought I'd post them

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    I get 23 unchanging at least once most years, it seems.

    I feel as apprehensive as anyone every time I see those broken lines building up during a reading. But for me, 23 unchanging generally hasn't presaged imminent flaying. Rather, it's seemed to reflect my own emotional state. A bit like having it show up as a relating hex, only without further comment or advice: a simple "Yes, you're definitely feeling stripped raw right now."

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    May 2016


    I just got 23UC for the first time that I can remember (I must have had it before). I've been feeling like there has been a lot of stripping away of dead wood - old patterns, old friends, everything. I thought I'd dispensed with an old romantic interest too but he recently resurfaced and so I asked: 'is it pointless me still having feelings for x?" 23uc.


    I then asked to clarify whether there was anything I could do to salvage situation (which, frankly, is now existing in my mind as a point of principle more than anything else; "well i can't let it end just like this with no proper resolution" type mindset): 23.2 > 4

    "The bed is split at the edge. Those who persevere are destroyed. Misfortune."

    Hilariously, this actually reflects something that happened to my bed at the exact time a few months ago all these unwanted elements started peeling away from my life, including losing my (horrible) job, my cats both getting sick and dying and deciding to get rid of this guy the last time - my bed broke on the edge so every time I got into it I collapsed into a heap and had to balance on the other side - until the other side broke too!! I got a new bed

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    p.s. Just checked back through my readings, I did get 23uc exactly a week ago, but didn't note down the question! however in the same minute (!!) I did another reading as clarification for that reading, and did note down the question: 'how should i proceed with x (if at all)' - the clarification was > 59 which seemed a bit contradictory...

    Looking back further I also had 23uc around the time my bed and everything else broke last December...!

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    butterfly spider Guest


    Perhaps it is the start of a new academic year, but I have been flaying about like a headless chicken for about 2 weeks. Rather like being on the train tracks waiting for a train to come.... Have had a really lovely summer but somehow the feeling of imminent catastrophe is there. This has combined with my old car developing a squeal - rather like a train brakes - which indeed was the cause (brakes and pads). I fell down the stairs (bruised not broken) I have lost my cards, and am dashing to yoga (not a good thing really) and cycling hither and thither to swimming. Nothing is really awful right now - in fact many aspects of my life are settling nicely. Still some issues, but somehow my life has come back to me - who I am and what I want to do.

    I just asked - what can I do to make me feel better. I got 23 UC I had just been putting nail varnish remover on my toes, so I did laugh. But I also feel that I need to really look at what I am here. I had a really funny week a few weeks ago and somehow this feeling links in with this week too.

    I always feel that hex 23 looks like a stool that could collapse.

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    butterfly spider Guest


    This casting was absolutely spot on actually. I discovered that there was an absolute need to strip something away - that evening. Such was the importance of this stripping away - and perhaps I would not have noticed had I not had this casting. I will now always look at 23UC as putting nail varnish remover on my toes - getting rid of something that I dont need. Not always something dangerous, more an addition to my person that needs removing.

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    Once in my life I was through the times that felt quite 23-ish: bidding farewell to the friends who turned out to be 'friends', retiring from the long-term responsibilities, finishing my studies - all at once. For me it was definitely a good lesson of how to get off the dead horse.
    At that time I came across a parable by Kahlil Gibran which succinctly and beautifully pinpointed the impressions and conclusions I got out from this experience.

    You ask me how I became a madman. It happened thus: One day, long before many gods were born, I woke from a deep sleep and found all my masks were stolen -- the seven masks I have fashioned and worn in seven lives -- I ran maskless through the crowded streets shouting, "Thieves, thieves, the cursed thieves."
    Men and women laughed at me and some ran to their houses in fear of me.
    And when I reached the market place, a youth standing on a house-top cried, "He is a madman." I looked up to behold him; the sun kissed my own naked face for the first time. For the first time the sun kissed my own naked face and my soul was inflamed with love for the sun, and I wanted my masks no more. And as if in a trance I cried, "Blessed, blessed are the thieves who stole my masks."
    Thus I became a madman.
    And I have found both freedom and safety in my madness; the freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, for those who understand us enslave something in us.
    But let me not be too proud of my safety. Even a Thief in a jail is safe from another thief.
    Blessed, blessed are the thieves who stole my masks

    I can see it as a chain of creating Personae when needed (22) - Stripping them away (23) when they become obsolete/inefficient and thus, - Returning (24) to the core, Innocent (25) state of being, which brings about great potential and accumulates life experience (26).
    For another thing, I don't know why but this hexagram uc tends to show up often when I am about to set on a journey. Hmmm. Maybe, casting away persona usually worn in previous location, habitual responses? Or inertia I am somewhat prone to.
    To sum up, my experience with hex 23 uc is usually one of ending an old cycle and moving to the next.
    ...for divinations can steal away anxieties by means of hopes to come.

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    Three years ago, I asked whether I will be granted a national visa, and got 23u. I got the visa, without any problems. "Those above can only ensure their position by giving generously to those below."

    This morning I asked whether I will be granted a scholarship, and got 23u again. I will know about that next month. 😊

    These two questions involved moving to another continent, so I can also see how 23u applies as a physical parting, letting go of the old, stripping away.

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    I get the feeling that this can be a scary reading for some people to receive. I asked: What should I be focusing on right now?

    I've been in a solitary kind of mood the past couple weeks and decided to take some time away from drinking and socializing. I think that created the space for a much needed 23 focus. When I cast this, I had just begun purging my overflowing closet and been mustering up the will to cut way back on all the excess food I've been eating and money I've been spending going out. I see this as advice to continue with that. Some less pleasant but necessary 23 aspects include: moving on from the fizzled out fling with a guy I like but who is clearly not a match for me and two surprise, fairly expensive bills that must be paid immediately (one involving my stripped brake pads).

    Anyway, I don't think it has to be scary. I feel the that if I do the work of stripping these things away that I'll be in a more calm, clear, and creative place internally and externally. It is work though.

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