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I get so confused about this one. It's called "Stagnation" by Wilhelm but whenever I've received it it's about something more like hexagram 38, a separation, two things being apart from one another. What is this 'stagnation' nonsense? Are things stagnating because there's no connection there, no mingling of heaven and earth?
I get so confused about this one. It's called "Stagnation" by Wilhelm but whenever I've received it it's about something more like hexagram 38, a separation, two things being apart from one another. What is this 'stagnation' nonsense? Are things stagnating because there's no connection there, no mingling of heaven and earth?
I get so confused about this one. It's called "Stagnation" by Wilhelm but whenever I've received it it's about something more like hexagram 38, a separation, two things being apart from one another. What is this 'stagnation' nonsense? Are things stagnating because there's no connection there, no mingling of heaven and earth?
Hex 12 means that things aren't flowing; flow is blocked. Hex 12 is like congestion or constipation or something
Oh gee sorry, Chris. I was wrong.
no. you were not wrong, you were slack.
...blowed flow
But that sounds great!
'If often blow my flow.'
'Sorry to blow your flow again but ...'
Look Chris if you want to call Dobro wrong - get in line huh I was there first
LOL!
Interesting reply from dobro. No where did I say 'stupid' etc - all I said was 'slack'. the rest was dobro's imagination and general opinion of self!
If someone comes along and says 'what is it about hx 12' then those who consider themselves knowledgable to reply should do so covering as much of the full spectrum of a hexagram's meaning as possible - most dont in that they are tied to Wilhelm et al and give casual, flippant, responses that are not helpful and overall are misleading.
Dobro has enough experience to know this but has chosen to be slack and try and be 'simple' where simplicity is NOT what is required - DETAIL is required to help flesh out hexagram 12 pasts its Wilhelm title. As such dobro, aka winston, commited 'thought crime' and I, as Mr smith, worked on 'correcting' such ;-) - at least in our world dobro has the right to now go off in a huff ;-)
Chris.
The point is if you want to "teach" people, then you need to exercise more tact and diplomacy. Otherwise you see the results you have seen until now.
Perhaps you're forgetting that you're dealing with people, not just thoughts and ideas?
...I'm afraid our time is up, Chris...that'll be $200...see you this time next week for our next provocative therapy session?
(1) I dont teach. Dobro has been on this list and working with the IC long enough to know the limitations of the traditional sequence and as such when someone asks 'tell me about hexagram 12' giving the response presented was guilty of 'thought crime' (as were most others who presented the same, traditional sequence biased, interpretations)
(2) I believe in provocative therapy - it gets people off their reactive arses and so in proactive, competitive (but fun) mode that is creative and can lead to insights etc... or it can lead to some going off in a huff - but thats fine since their anger can serve to bring out competitive arguement that can be beneficial in the long run (even if anti me it can still get them to focus more clearly on their IC interpretations and THAT is the focus overall, not on me, on the IC ;-))
Chris.
..2. Do you generally find that to be a successful strategy? And "fun" for whom?
sure - for those interested in the interactions. one cannot please all of the people all of the time thus one needs to be selective, to focus on quality ;-) - pushing buttons can bring that out.
How about "pleasing nobody most of the time". That's what pushing buttons usually results in. Although I suppose it depends on how you push the buttons.
Is there a hex and/or line which specifically supports this position? ie pushing buttons to force insights.
Yes. Without the interplay of high and low the situation is barren.
I just received this hexagram, with line 1 moving.
The image that appeared to me was dense, dry ground, with clear water bubbling out of a pencil hole size break in the dry ground. The water was flowing gently, persistently softening the ground without damage. A powerful rush of water from without would split the ground.
Regarding the discussion on standstill (stagnation)/obstruction/results of standing firm in one's view or faith/ - the context is how to respond to a reversal of active give and take of heaven/earth energies. The tiny persistent trickle of water will be stronger than the dry hard ground, in time.
Any thoughts?
Therapy? You as a therapist? YOU?!
OMG! Heeeelp, mayday! mayday! SOS!!
Clarity,
Office 17622,
PO Box 6945,
London.
W1A 6US
United Kingdom
Phone/ Voicemail:
+44 (0)20 3287 3053 (UK)
+1 (561) 459-4758 (US).