Hex 13 to 58...twice

[cal val]

Hi there...

Just got home from my trip to Philly. While I was there I asked two different questions two days apart, and got the same answer for both of them: Hex 13/2.3.6 to 58. They were both about work...once about my efforts to change direction and the second time about my current job.

My gut is telling me the Yi didn't answer either one but is telling me something I need to know rather than something I want to know. I'd love to hear your feelings on this.

Thanks!

Val

 

[martin]

Perhaps the main message is "friendship gives joy"?
Or: "you have seen now how important friendship is for you - it gives you joy, remember that"?

Makes (non)sense?

Martin

 

[cal val]

Hi there Martin...

Again...pressed for time, so please pardon me if this response seems curt. Succinct is my intention here, but not curt.

Thanks so much for your thoughts.

Honestly, I don't believe that's what the Yi was telling me, but it's close. That's too much a given...at least for me, and I don't think the Yi is given to stating the given...if you get my drift...*grin*

Because of answers I've gotten since, I do believe it has to do with the steps I'm taking to get what I want. It came up when I was in Philadelphia with a bunch of New Yorkers and Angelenos, so I suspect it's all about networking.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[learner]

Dear Val,

I am under the impression that you may be having some difficulty in getting into the ?fellowship?. It might mean either a feeling of mistrust about others or not being wholehearted in the work environment.
I think this is a kind of basic interpretation, maybe simplistic, I am afraid, but it was the first idea that struck me when I read your post.

Hope this helps,
Learner

 

[megabobby]

i'm guessing that being isolated from friends is the big issue in this...hope this helps

 

[cal val]

Hi everyone...

Thank you Learner. There's some truth in your interpretation. The only problem with it, and a problem in general with interpreting the Yi is that it isn't always talking about "me"...for any of us. Hexagram 20, I believe, talks about the dangers of "seeing" every interpretation as about "me."

Your interpretation, however, helped me to understand what the Yi was telling me...something that happened outside myself but affected me. I'll explain below.

Thank you Megabobby. When I first read your name in email, I was just starting my first cup of coffee of the morning and, in my early morning haze, "read" Megabooby. I thought "What character in this name!" Oh well. At any rate, your interpretation just sort of cemented what Learner said.

Here's what the Yi was telling me. I don't know how long you have been reading this forum, Learner and Megabobby, and I don't know if you're aware of my strong intuition and receptivity, but I've discussed it in other threads. I have a connection with people I am close to...friends, family, people I've worked with for awhile, and I feel when they feel strong feelings toward me...no matter their distance from me. I've had this gift/curse as long as I can remember. When I feel their feelings I call it my "stranger feeling"...a name I came up with when I was a child because even back then I "knew" when the feeling inside me didn't belong to me...was a stranger to me.

On my last day of work before I started my vacation, I started getting my stranger feeling. It was rather ominous, but I didn't feel any personal danger in it. I continued to get it my first few days in Philadelphia and sensed it had something to do with my job back here. I didn't let it bother me because I know that whatever happens is always for the best. So whenever it hit me, I just let it pass and then went on hugging and kissing and laughing and playing with my family.

When I arrived my first morning back at work after my vacation...right after I posted my question about 13 to 58...my workmate and friend who I affectionately call "Mr A Birder" (he's an avid birdwatcher and nature lover whose license plate reads "A Birder") was not there to greet me as usual, but my immediate supervisor was in his place. She filled me in on what had happened.

You may not know it if you're new to this forum, but cicumstances have had me a holding pattern in a town that is in its death throes. The Yi has been a source of comfort and good advice not to act rashly while in this holding pattern. The company I work for here is the backbone of this town, and it's about to go under. The layoffs have been huge. The company is so desperate to curtail costs to stay alive that they've even shut off lights to try save money. Our division, the retail division, had not been hit by the many cutbacks because we're one of the few income generating divisions, however...

We got hit while I was on vacation. Mr A Birder was laid off. He was the one who opened my facility for me every morning. My facility is on the river and surrounded by nature, and every morning we would greet each other..."Good morning Mr A Birder"...."Good morning Grandma" and then chat about the heron feeding on the bank of the river or the hawks circling overhead or the geese and ducks who made their nests nearby or the pink rose mallows and crimson-eyed rose mallows blooming over the water or our families or whatever...and we developed a very close bond.

Although I was already in the process of moving on...preparing, his loss in my workplace was all the more incentive to get moving on quickly. All I could think about when I heard the news was to work on my resume as soon as I got home from work that night. And that's just what I did. I worked on it until the Yi said of it Hex 45.

Of course, his being laid off had a huge impact on my job and the feelings toward me by my immediate supervisor while I was gone as well. She had assigned him to follow through with the shipping of a project I had prepared before leaving, and I had briefed him (AND one other employee, K, as an extra precaution) on the specifics of the project. Unfortunately, no one advised her (my immediate supervisor) in advance that he was being laid off, so when it came time to ship the product, he was suddenly gone and she did not know the "what, where and when" of it. She asked K if she knew, and...in her shock I suppose...K said she didn't...*shrugs shoulders* So...until she sorted things out in her heart and mind, my immediate supervisor directed her anger toward me for going on vacation rather than toward the division head (who she dared not feel anger toward) for laying off her assistant, Mr A Birder, without giving her advance notice.

By the time I returned to work, however, she had had time to calm down and look at the events rationally and had realized that I'd given at least 110% on the project, so she was quite appreciative of my hard work and congenial when she greeted me.

Nonetheless, Mr A Birder is gone, I'm sad, I have no reason to tarry here a moment longer, and I'm moving on as quickly as I can. I've posted my resume on the internet, paid extra to have it stand out among and above the rest, have been searching sites for jobs matching my experience and skills set in the Northeast, signed up for email notification, read much good advice on how to ace interviews and will post and search in more places and read more interview advice as soon as I say "cheerio the noo" in this post.

So...if any of you have read this far in this rather long post and know of good sites or leads for jobs, I would greatly appreciate it if you would email me or post your tips and tricks here. I'm looking for a desktop publisher position in Philadelphia (preferrably) or NYC. THANK YOU!

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[joang]

Hi, Val.
You probably already know this, but you can check the ads online at www.philly.com/careerbuilder.

Does desktop publishing come under information technology? If so, there is a Tech Fest recruitment event at the Hilton on September 10. It's open to all candidates with IT backgrounds, no entry-level positions. I wish you luck.

Namaste,
Joan G.

 

[learner]

Hello Val,

Yes, I am quite new in this forum and I have not read the previous posts about difficulties in your professional area. I had no idea about those feelings of yours towards other people, either. But I found really interesting how the I Ching addressed the problem in your work environment with Hex 13. I do agree that the lines were a kind of premonition of what was about to happen, the lay off and such. But it seems to me that somehow the reading was simultaneously reflecting your insight that you could not trust the ?fellowship? anymore as well as your feeling that the warmth in your work environment had been lost, leading you to find difficult to keep your commitment and your heart there.
Unfortunately, I have no suggestions to add to your job search, because I live in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and I am traveling to Oxford, UK, in 25 days to study there for a while.
But I am sure that those changes that are about to happen in your life are for your own good and you will feel more comfortable and happier in the near future.

All the best,
Sincerely,
Learner

 

[cal val]

Hi there JoanG...

Are you in Philly by any chance? If so, I absolutely love your city. It's so much more than I really expected. I expected predominantly "blue collar" after listening to hours and hours and years and years of Bruce Springsteen, and instead I found art, art, art...everywhere I turned someone was creating or displaying art. I was in absolute heaven, having been 'stuck' in this poor little town without a single art gallery or art museum for the past two years.

Yes, I found the notice about the job fair yesterday on careerbuilder.com. I was tempted to just pack up and move out now and be there in time for the job fair and 'settle' for any kind of job, but the Yi is not so encouraging. It told me 11.5 to 5. The relationship and attitude in the job in line 5 sound great to me, so waiting in peace is what I will do instead.

Desktop publishing is such a new and nebulous job title that it's difficult to place it...arts and entertainment? IT? In fact, I just came from posting in the message boards on monster.com because they have a feature which is a written interview that I think will enhance my chances of getting a job from there but...they don't list desktop publisher in the job titles in the interview section. They do, however, in the resume classification section...*scratching head in confusion* So I posted asking the staff to add it because the desktop publisher job functions are quite a bit different than graphic designer job functions, and graphic designer is not a suitable substitute job title.

At any rate, if you're in Philly or nearby, as I love your posts and what they say about you, I would love to meet you if and when I finally get up there.

Hi there Learner...

Rio de Janiero!?! What a beautiful city and country you live in! I have friends from Brazil...a very musical family. I love the music they create, and the love they give their friends and family.

And what a beautiful country you're going to. It's going to be quite different for you. I hope you enjoy it!

Actually, the Yi didn't have the premonition in the line. I did with my stranger feeling. I just couldn't see what was going to happen, only had the awareness that something was happening in the workplace. I started getting my feeling early Weds. and Mr A Birder was laid off Friday. I did ask the Yi what my stranger feeling was about on Friday when it was strongest and most frequent, and it said hex 23 to something I can't remember. I decided not to worry about it because I knew it wasn't about my family and my time with them and that's all I really cared about so forgot about it.

I didn't get 13 to 58 until after Mr A Birder was laid off. And I strongly suspect it was addressing my immediate supervisor. If you've read many of my posts or my story in the 50 to 8 thread, then you know I don't have a problem with trust. I have laid myself out, naked and exposed, in this forum. It's easy for me to do so because I don't invest myself in others. I take full personal responsibility, so trust never becomes an issue. I don't believe I've ever had trust issues where friends or workmates are concerned. Any trust issues I've ever had were about much more intimate relationships, and I got over those getting to the root of my fear of marriage in the 50 to 8 thread.

That's why I couldn't relate to your interpretation. It didn't fit "me" at all. It was totally foreign. I didn't answer immediately because I had to leave it alone until I could make sense of it. I know trust issues when I see them in behaviors and hear them in the language people use. And it does fit my immediate supervisor. That makes sense to me. She's scared to death for her job. She has big time trust issues. And, for that reason, she and I can never form a close bond. That's where I can relate to your interpretation...her. She had really big time trust issues while I was gone. She was scared to death and angry.

Also, as a little more background, I came to this town two years ago. It was intended to be a three month sojourn on my way to the rest of my life, but things happened and plans changed, and I ended up here longer than I'd hoped. It's always remained a temporary situation, however. I've never been committed to the town or the company I work for. My only commitment is to myself...to my need to enjoy my work and do my best. I feel there is nobility in all work, and no matter what kind of work I'm doing, I apply myself to the task, heart, mind and soul, focus and do my best. And that commitment is still there. I will enjoy myself and do my best until the day I leave the job. It just won't be quite as enjoyable without Mr A Birder. And then I'll do the same on the next job.

Thank you so much for the food for thought. I do love thinking...*grin*

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[cal val]

Learner...

Omagod! It just hit me. *slapping forehead* As I suspected and said in my original post, the Yi wasn't answering my questions. They weren't telling me what I wanted to know, but what I needed to know. That reading was about someone I haven't thought about in awhile. The Yi has told me in the past he has trust issues. I've tried and tried to regain his trust, but all my efforts have been for naught...or so it seems...so I gave up trying. I let him go. I just couldn't see myself sitting in a rocker in the old folks home years from now typing away messages to him that I can be trusted now. I'd rather be at an easel painting away at that point in my life. So that's the direction I've been focusing my attention. And here I've been thinking the Yi was through talking about him. HA!

The interesting thing about the sixth changing line in 13 is that one interpretation is:
"The companions trust one another, even when they are far apart. But the fact that the beloved is in a distant place means that the association is still not fulfilled; the time of true brotherhood of man has not yet arrived. But there is hope and no occasion for reproach."

He's in England...not far from where you're going to be in 25 days...a distant place from me here in Virginia. It was your comment about going to England that flicked the switch to the lightbulb for me.

If you come across any of my posts where I express the remorse I feel for the way I treated him when he tried to propose marriage, then you'll know exactly what the Yi is saying to me...that he does trust me. So something else is holding him back now. It's not me. I let him go, and left the door open. He can come through it anytime.

If the Yi still thinks we should be reunited, they're going to have to nudge him to do it...just like they nudged me to get over my fear of marriage (it was my fear of marriage that motivated me to respond so negatively to his proposal of marriage). I love him very much. He's a very special man. I am blessed to be loved the way he loves me. I can easily imagine being married to him and spending the rest of my life with him (I was actually headed to England to be close to him and try to get past my fear there when I stopped here). But I can't and won't even try to make his choices for him. I've told him my choice. That's the most I can do.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[tashiiij]

wow val. (another gasp. fingers crossed.)

 

[learner]

Dear Val,

Hello there? I was here scratching my head and thinking how I missed the point in my first interpretation of the fellowship in the Hex 13, the trust issue and such, trying to understand more and more the messages from the I Ching in order not to let myself to be astray, when I saw your second post. I am very glad to know that my comment about going to England ?flicked the switch to the light bulb", as you say!
Well, after all the reading ended up fitting into the situation, in a way or another. I am quite relieved, to tell you the truth, because, as you know, I am still a learner of the mysterious ways of I Ching interpretation, which sometimes seem too metaphorical to me and, I must say, quite often elusive.
Well, if HE is in England at the moment and you are in Virginia there is only an ocean between you. But what is an ocean after all? *grin* As you can see, I am romantic and truly believe that nothing is impossible for true love. You have probably already seen here my ?sighs and sobs? because a love recently lost. *grin*. I hope I am going to get over that leaving Brazil for a while and being really concentrated on my studies in Oxford.
May I tell you a story? The man I deeply love ?and who does not love me- is from England and is living here in Brazil at the moment. This did not help our relationship at all and now I am the one who is leaving. That is why I told you that an ocean means nothing when it comes to real love. I would just say here that perhaps those are the mysterious ways of life.

All the best,
Learner

PS: Glad to hear you like brazilian music.

 

[cal val]

Hi again Learner...

Oh your interpretation was the key alright. I just had put him out of my mind, and it didn't relate.

I hope your move to England helps. I hope you meet someone new and exciting at Oxford, who gives you the love you deserve. Yes I've heard your heart breaking here. And I've felt sad for you. But there's really nothing I could say or do that would help. When it hurts, it hurts, and nothing but time will heal your wounds. So I've kept quiet.

Brazilian music is beautiful. I have a CD here that my Brazilian friends made, and I love listening to it. But it's nothing compared to being with them at parties when they all get together with their guitars and other instruments and play and sing.

You know what's really interesting now that I think about it. Now that you've got me thinking about him...*grin* This wonderful man in England is a printer...a very talented printer. He knows his stuff. His knowledge of color is daunting. He's also very talented at design. And he would be the perfect partner for a desktop publisher...don't you think? *grin* He'd be that perfect partner in line 5 of Hex 11. I could learn so much from him...in a loving environment. I don't know though. I love looking at him. I'm afraid I'd enjoy watching him work so much I wouldn't be able to focus on my own tasks...*grin*

*snapping out of the daydream and back to reality* But he's not here. He's not communicating with me, so time to put him out of my mind again. I do hope, though, the Yi finds a way to nudge him into contacting me again. We'd be brilliant together. In the meantime, I'm going back to the job boards and looking for other potential partners in line 5 of hex 11...rather than watch my skin wrinkle with old age waiting for him.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[cal val]

Tashiiij...

If I hear from him again, I'll let you know immediately...so that you can uncross your fingers...*grin*

Thanks so much for your warm and loving wishes...*bigger grin*

Cheerio the noo,

Val

NOW back to the job boards!

 

[cal val]

Hey Martin...

You still there? It just dawned on. Now your interpretation makes perfect sense as well.

THANKS!

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[martin]

Hey Val,

Yes, still here! And busy, guess what, I'm also looking for another job!
I had to give up my teaching job because of health problems. Now I'm running out of money and have to find something else, but my health is still not what it should be.
It feels like I'm trapped sometimes. Then I

and everything is OK.

About your 13 to 58, I'm glad that my guess makes sense after all, although I had not idea what was involved. Lucky guess!
So many pointers to England, your beloved is there, Learner goes to Oxford and this site is also English, Hilary lives in Oxford-shire if I remember correctly, is that near Oxford?
Perhaps we should all go there and meet? <grin>
I planned to go to England next week, to visit a friend, but had to cancel the trip.
Again because of my health

.

Anyway, I hope you'll find what you are looking for, I trust you will.
Good luck and be blessed,
Cheerio the noo (learned that from you

)

Martin

 

[joang]

Dear Val,
thank you for the compliments. I would like to reply further via e-mail so as not to bore our friends here, but I don't know where to find your address. My main one is joangarro@comcast.net.

TTYL...
Joan

 

[cal val]

EGAD Martin...

I'm so sorry to hear about your health...very sorry because it sounds like something long term and rather serious if you had to give up teaching.

I'm sending up prayers for a speedy recovery for you today, and I invite anyone reading this post to join me in sending prayers and positive thoughts for Martin's well-being. The more who join in, the louder the voice.

And Martin, thank you for all you've done for me.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[learner]

Dear friends,

Val, hello again, I am glad to know about Hex 11 moving fifth line, which is amazingly wonderful, meaning creative activity, love, encounter with other people, you name it.
I have been wondering about your story regarding HIM and it just popped into my mind if it would not be up to you take the first step to tie the bonds again, to make the communication between you flows one more time. It is just an idea bouncing around, nothing specific. I am just making a strong defence of love here *grin* but, of course, you have to be realistic as well.
I am not sure at all if a kind of partnership with someone so talented would prevent you to keep your focus on your own work.
Anyway, perhaps you should ask the I Ching and see the results.

Martin, yes, it would be lovely all of us meeting in Oxford. *grin*. Take care of you.

All the best,
Mirian

 

[Sparhawk]

Hey Val:

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Are you in Philly by any chance? If so, I absolutely love your city. It's so much more than I really expected. I expected predominantly "blue collar" after listening to hours and hours and years and years of Bruce Springsteen, and instead I found art, art, art...everywhere I turned someone was creating or displaying art. I was in absolute heaven, having been 'stuck' in this poor little town without a single art gallery or art museum for the past two years.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wasn't going to say this, but.... Before you visited Philly, I TOLD YOU SO!!

Philly is a great city for somebody that's artistically inclined. If I hadn't had my Philly home rented you could've been mi future tenant. It is about 7 blocks east of the Art Museum and about 10 blocks north of Center City...

Glad you liked the city. Just one caveat about working in Philly: the City Wage Tax stands at about 4.5% for city residents and about 3.90% for non residents working in the city. That's on top of your State and Federal taxes...

Cheers,

Luis

 

[cal val]

Learner...

I love you. You are such a giving woman. I just took your advice when I read your post in email, and here I am with the casting I just got from the Yi.

I asked, "Should I attempt to make contact again?" and the answer was 26/1.6 to 46. I haven't even looked at the changing lines yet. I put it here first for both of us (and anyone else who wants to try) to put our heads together and see what the Yi is telling me.

THANKS!

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[cal val]

LMAO! I already got my answer quite clearly, but as I remain open minded, I'm not posting anything until I hear what you have to say.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[cal val]

Hi there Luis...

Not to mention...one of Van Gogh's "Sunflowers" is on long term exhibit there at the art museum. I held my 3-1/2 month old grandson up in front of the painting and talked about the strokes and colors and form and how they all came together to make a beautiful work of art. However...

later, we looked at a Renoir painting of a little girl...I think her name was Adelphine...not sure...and he couldn't take his eyes off her. He's at the age where babies study faces, and he sure studied hers...*grin* I thought it was great that, at an early age, he had the opportunity to see and study a great artist's impression of a face.

We also went to the Curtis Publishing Bldg. and looked at the Louis Tiffany/Maxfield Parrish mural. What a special treat that was for me, as I love them both, and the mural is simply magnificent. I saw so much more art there, of course, but if I were to list it all here, I'd create another one of my never-ending posts. The city is just full of wonderful visual treats. Even City Hall is a work of art.

Thanks for the heads-up on the city tax. I will keep that in mind in my salary calculations.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[martin]

Hi Val,

Thank you very much for your prayers. It's indeed a longterm problem and it's not new. It started to manifest already years ago and since then it comes and goes, with different symptoms.
At the moment I have an irregular hearth rhythm and sometimes (near) blackouts because there is not enough sugar in my blood.
Friends say that it is perhaps not an illness but a mystical thing, my DNA is changing too fast or something like that!
Anyway, I'm still on the planet, it's apparently not life threatening.

I will look into your new hexagrams later this evening.

Again, thanks!
Smoooch *grin*

Martin

 

[martin]

By the way, Val, you said EGAD ...

Acronymfinder.com gives 3 definitions:

EGAD Electric Power Generation and distribution
EGAD Electronic Ground Automatic Destruct
EGAD Evaluation Group for Analysis of Data

Now, which one is it?

 

[Sparhawk]

Now Martin, are you an engineer??

Most likely Val refers to:

Main Entry: egad
Pronunciation: i-'gad
Variant(s): or egads /-'gadz/
Function: interjection
Etymology: probably euphemism for oh God
Date: 1673
-- used as a mild oath
==============

Now, I really like "Electronic Ground Automatic Destruct"!!

Luis

 

[martin]

At first I also thought that "oh God" was intended, but discarded it because Acronymfinder.com didn't mention it.

Hehe, yes, Electronic Ground Automatic Destruct is funny.
I like cruel jokes!

 

[cal val]

I'll just sit here grinning and let you boys fight it out if you don't mind.

*grin*

Cheerio the noo,

Val

 

[martin]

Oh, MYGAD, she is watching us ...

 

[martin]

Hi grinning Val,

26 to 46, oh these lines, line 1 of 26 is a no, line 6 (later)is probably a yes.
Together: not now, but yes in the (near) future, perhaps you can feel it when the time is right for you.
Line 1 sometimes refers to motives. The message could be: first be sure that you really want this.

I think 46 is also a yes.
So my guess is yes yes yes, but don't hurry, one step at a time.
Maybe 46 also asks a question: what will you do after you make contact?
So, apart from a question about motives there is perhaps a question about consequences.
As if the I Ching says: OK, yes, it's possible, but this is a big step, don't be too impulsive.

Makes sense?

Martin