Major difference between 25.1 and 25.6?

[sooo]

Early into this, and I think my first reading about it was 36, I forgot the lines, except it had the Prince Chi line.. fain crazy (lol) I'd have to know how not to be crazy in order to do that. But ok, don't show my true face, remain in the dark,
in my own little happy place

 

[Trojina]

This forum is full of slackers.

I made a glaring error and no one corrected me.

and if you turn 1 upside down it isn't 2...but all the other pairs are each other upside down.

I said all the pairs except hexes 1 and 2 were one another upside down. This isn't true. As can be seen
here http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2008/12/01/clarity-from-chasms/ of course 29 and 30 are opposites and a pair. I was looking in Hilary's blog for 'opposites'.

I never noticed that before. Halfway through the sequence there is a gateway

how did I miss that

 

[Trojina]

And whilst I was looking for 'opposites' I noticed this

http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2008/12/08/talismanic-qualities-of-hexagrams/

and I maintain a talisman should accompany you to hospital on Wednesday Bruce.

You'll be fine without it ....but it just seems a talisman kind of occasion. I guess you are taking 25.1.6>45 in with you ?

 

[anemos]

I made a glaring error and no one corrected me.

I think everybody noticed that but was so self-evident that there was no need to correct you...
Like the opposite hex is the opposite hex

Simple !!!

( i want my :bag: !!!!! )

 

[sooo]

and I maintain a talisman should accompany you to hospital on Wednesday Bruce.

You'll be fine without it ....but it just seems a talisman kind of occasion. I guess you are taking 25.1.6>45 in with you ?

I've not had my eyes off of the topic of this thread since I opened it, and I absolutely will be taking them, and smatterings of other standout readings with me. To many this would be no big deal, but other than a few days in a Navy hospital in my teens, I've managed to never have to stay in one, nor go for anything more serious than a few stitches in my head, on numerous occasions. This is a first for me, and being a bit macho, I don't like admitting that I'm scared. Not of dying if something goes wrong.. I'm ready to meet death when it's my time, no biggie. But I've stood by my mate's side for decades while she was in and out of hospitals with increasingly serious conditions, and my faith in western medicine isn't very positive. They almost killed her on several occasions, if I didn't catch their errors on their charts and through my questions. There are only stressful and extremely sorrowful associations I have with Hospital procedures. 25.6 indeed.

I like a couple images that are going with me. The dog through the paper covered hoop is one, having the mindset of Prince Chi is another, being grateful for a great outcome (before it happens, while it's happening, and afterward) is another. I'll be thinking, it'll be great to have both power tubes fired up and grinding out some classic riffs again.

 

[Trojina]

I think everybody noticed that but was so self-evident that there was no need to correct you...
Like the opposite hex is the opposite hex

Simple !!!

( i want my :bag: !!!!! )

other pairs aren't opposites...3 is not an opposite to 4, 5 is not an opposite to 6 but a pair.

so the only pairs that are opposites are hex 1 and 2 and 29 and 30

old news to some but not to me

 

[sooo]

I never noticed that before. Halfway through the sequence there is a gateway

how did I miss that

The dog was in the way?

 

[anemos]

other pairs aren't opposites...3 is not an opposite to 4, 5 is not an opposite to 6 but a pair.

so the only pairs that are opposites are hex 1 and 2 and 29 and 30

old news to some but not to me

I'm still in shock for not having see the obvious.. of course I didn't notice your error

back to my :bag:

 

[Trojina]

I've not had my eyes off of the topic of this thread since I opened it, and I absolutely will be taking them, and smatterings of other standout readings with me. To many this would be no big deal, but other than a few days in a Navy hospital in my teens, I've managed to never have to stay in one, nor go for anything more serious than a few stitches in my head, on numerous occasions. This is a first for me, and being a bit macho, I don't like admitting that I'm scared. Not of dying if something goes wrong.. I'm ready to meet death when it's my time, no biggie. But I've stood by my mate's side for decades while she was in and out of hospitals with increasingly serious conditions, and my faith in western medicine isn't very positive. They almost killed her on several occasions, if I didn't catch their errors on their charts and through my questions. There are only stressful and extremely sorrowful associations I have with Hospital procedures. 25.6 indeed.

I like a couple images that are going with me. The dog through the paper covered hoop is one, having the mindset of Prince Chi is another, being grateful for a great outcome (before it happens, while it's happening, and afterward) is another. I'll be thinking, it'll be great to have both power tubes fired up and grinding out some classic riffs again.

I think anyone would be scared. But it is a very well rehearsed procedure and it seems recovery is quite quick....and the reward afterwards is going to be huge. Shame you have to wait though, that must be hard.

It occurred to me earlier, re the 25.6, also you may need to check all is ship shape with the regular everyday chores of life before you go in. I'm sure you already thought of that...I've had a few stays in hospital over last few years, no surgery, but I recall paying bills just before going in....things you won't want to think about after the op. I'm just thinking you'll want things easy and comfortable after you get out so preparing for your return now...both fills worry time now and helps when you get out.

Hilary probably gave you idea of what to expect re recovery in pm.

My top hospital stay tip is take flip flops or rubber croc shoes because I am picky about the state of hospital bathroom floors. Actually my last few stays I was treated very kindly.

 

[Trojina]

My top hospital stay tip is take flip flops or rubber croc shoes because I am picky about the state of hospital bathroom floors.

I think I just lowered the tone of the thread.....again

 

[Trojina]

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also you may need to check all is ship shape with the regular everyday chores of life before you go in.

scrap that....daft idea with heart at 30bpm you can hardly scrub the floor !

 

[sooo]

I think I just lowered the tone of the thread.....again

Aw, innocent enough, and a very practical tip; thanks. I planned to called them tomorrow to find out what and what not to bring. Do you think they'd object to bringing my bong and some kind bud? (kidding)

My home world and chores are small at this time, so no major chores to worry about. One of my house mates is staying home during Thanksgiving so that she can drive me home, and so I won't have to clean her cats' litter box. Though I'm sure I'd manage that easily, it's thoughtful of her to want to be around the day I come home. I said I could drive myself home the next morning but that's a no-no, I guess.

Anyway, as I slip into the trance of Prince Chi, everything is beautiful; slow, sleepy, weak, but beautiful. Also, since I now qualify for dirty old man status, I can flirt with the nurses and not offend them. Guess that's not very innocent, is it? But at least it proves I still have a pulse.

 

[anemos]

Plastic clogs are a MUST
Flirting : obligatory !!!
Unhappy nurses or Hippocrates- Reincarnated young doctors : not your business- Their problem !!
Thoughts like " i can do it myself", " I can drive back" : Not for Princes- Oscar may change hands

buzzer/ bell : Use it for Everything you need. need blanket ? Buzz , need another blanket ? buzz again. Even Princes have to work a bit so you need to provide them with feedback and report even tiny details. You offer them knowledge , experience , a purpose !!! ( the rules is you don't get money for that)

waiting time in surgery room : usually you wait for a while and nothing happens. yes, you could still be in your room and not get interrupted from the TVprogram you were seeing... bummer !!! ( for females not that bad - nice view ) The manager in you will see what i mean .

During : some they have the boring job to just look at screens Chatting is appreciated ( if female assistant great opportunity to flirt !! you have time and you can blame the tranquilizers )

Talisman : if you feel like takings an object with you Usually they respect that and take care of it. You just say " there is no way I go inside without it !" hint: Prince Chi

Costumes : make sure you bring comfortable/ handy clothes . I would ask what is better.

Food : if they give you a bowl with something they call soup EAT it.... I was picky .. and then extremely hungry

good to remember : they are there to help and take care of you. If they forget it remind them !!! (remind it to yourself too )

last, but not least : emotions. Give them the space to express themselves. Its ok to be scared. Don't hold them. This is where I screw it up .. low performance ( reviews : too fake , no natural, not into the role) ... Oscar goes pufff yes, its crazy to say to the doc a few sec before it starts that you are scared, change your mind and want to leave ... but apt for Prince Chi.... it comes and go... ( i stayed, lol)

What was real was the deep strong conviction that everything would work out great. before falling asleep I felt like sharing that feeling with my doc. I called him to come close and told him " Doc, You are going to do a perfect job !!!" ... he did

 

[pocossin]

How will the implant procedure go?
25.1.6 > 45

Among internal organs, Qian is the trigram of the heart (my opinion), and Zhen is electrical. Auspicious for a pacemaker. Line 1 is the line of preparation. You are committed to this course of action. Line 6 is the line of excess. Your heart rate is excessively slow, and the pacemaker will correct this. Reading 45 for trigrams, Kun as body and Dui as joy/relaxation, this also bodes well for an outcome. Note that in both hexagrams the trigrams are positionally correct as representing position of pacemaker and heart, and body and heart.

From fragments of the Gui Cang, I remember the line in Hexagram 25, "Take no medicines." Won't a pacemaker reduce your medication load? You may find that your health improves simply because you are exposed to fewer side effects.

 

[sooo]

Good input from a fellow heart patient, Tom. Thanks.

This doc has approved refills of all current medication, however he's testing something in the abdomen that may be the cause of a long malady, and who knows what the pacemaker corrects that has been thus far blamed on the chf. In such a case as that, likely meds can be reduced.

But what I don't want this to turn into is chasing down every symptom as though it's serious. I've gotten by so far pretty well on a combination of faith and denial, chuckle.

 

[rosada]

One more Prince Chi tip:
Take your own blanket or comforter. Hospital blankets are often too thin to keep you warm!

 

[anemos]

i need to add something to my previous-tips post. I have a fair share with hospitals both as patient and escorting someone else. Its hard to convince me that the medical system doesn't sucks. But in that system there are people and I would be extremely ungrateful If I don't recognize those nice people.

My staying was prolonged and spend almost a month there and i had the chance to "meet" the people. Some of them where really abusive but the majority were really kind and nice and caring people. I have bitter memories but I have also very sweet ones... I suspect that the real reason they kept me was to make sure that everybody had took their origami ornament i was making or participate to the teaching workshops I had arrange anyways....

What I wanted to share is a dream. I had to return to do the same thing and a couple of nights before my return I saw a lovely dream. Was heading to the surgery ( i knew that in my dream) and had to go by foot through strange landscapes I can recall there were not design path... i had to find my way. In the middle of nowhere I saw a building without walls , only a roof. it was a huge surgery room. I saw all those people wearing the green outfits - unfamiliar faces. Suddenly , it was like an invisible door opened and the nurses of the ward i spend the previous time where coming in, wearing their white outfits - a nice warm glowing white color. It felt like a flock of angels coming in. I recognized every face, they were the real people. I knew , in my dream, that this was not the proper place for them to be, so I asked them ' what are you doing here ? " ... and the said " this is were we work now " .... I felt they came for me... I felt relaxed, safe, being in good hands.

I don't know If i brought them in my dreams or they came.
I don't know if there were the 'nurses' or "angels"
What I know is that walking there was a real struggle but it was a really really really nice feeling to see those familiar faces in their beautifully white dresses welcoming me.

In this assembly line, called the medical system you have to question many times "Am i still a human or the piece of meat or bone they see ?? ". I try not to go back to those days but if that happens there are some faces I feel the urge to slap... not to punish them but to wake them up and say " hey, I'm a human being- LOOK at me".... I don't excuse them I just understand some things a little better. Sometimes they are that helpless as we are, clueless as we are....

No matter how many times , its always the first time... No matter how familiar we are , we are always Strangers. In our brief encounters with the System, thank god Prince Chi exists to help us go through ... The view from the bed is always the same. Same system, same irritating people .. but sometimes there are those people in the white glowing uniforms and you don't know if they are angles or simply doctors and nurses but the feeling is the same. You see them and smile because you feel you are not alone on this.

Bruce, I'm sorry if you feel for any reason this post is irrelevant. Something was missing in my previous post - those guys and gals in whites and my gratitude for being there for me.

May You and everyone of you reading this and have to go through those situations, meet them. I assure you. They exist !!!

 

[sooo]

Well, that was interesting. The docs and nurses seemed pleased, proud even, with the results. Of course it's not their heart that's being cork-screwed with positive and negative leads to a pulse generator. Works like a speaker..thuh thump. I can do 60 to 75 in a few seconds (haha, I mean minutes). But along with that is an increased reaction, and I've been working on taming that for 20 years, so I don't know if I want to let that horse run.

People at Kingman Regional Medical Center were great. Lotta restrictions in movement, hence the sling as a reminder to not lift it, until scar tissue builds to anchor down the screws. That's it. We'll see how it goes. There are follow ups. Very thorough in informing the patient what is going to happen and why.

Can't play guitar for awhile.

To get to the important part of this: the nurses and their assistants were awesome.

 

[hilary]

All very, very good to hear. Thanks.

 

[sooo]

Suddenly , it was like an invisible door opened and the nurses of the ward i spend the previous time where coming in, wearing their white outfits - a nice warm glowing white color. It felt like a flock of angels coming in. I recognized every face, they were the real people. I knew , in my dream, that this was not the proper place for them to be, so I asked them ' what are you doing here ? " ... and the said " this is were we work now " .... I felt they came for me... I felt relaxed, safe, being in good hands.

I don't know If i brought them in my dreams or they came.
I don't know if there were the 'nurses' or "angels"What I know is that walking there was a real struggle but it was a really really really nice feeling to see those familiar faces in their beautifully white dresses welcoming me.

This is what I meant by awesome. Sexy angels. My surgeon is Afghan, and most likely Muslim. I began wondering if these were part of the 75 virgins here in Paradise. In a way, they really were. Like you'd said, Maria, they are real. There was one bitch nurse, old enough to get away with it, young enough to test that part of my um, heart. Her role was critical, even though she momentarily pissed me off, because I don't like being told not to do something, and she got increasing strict, and I became increasingly bad, playfully. Funny, never had nurse fantasies before. But it's her voice that stops me from raising this arm by accident, and she knew it, which is why she did it. That's awesome. The cutie pie on the heavy side would float my boat with her plump, rosy lips; and since when was naked cleavage allowed on a heart unit? Or, perhaps my supermeng powers were kicking in.

I made sure I gave each my appreciation. There's a lot of grumpy old bastards they have to deal with. They seem to appreciate a little kindness and recognition.

It's hard for an old guy to be sexy with a pacemaker and a gown, though they spared my dignity by allowing me to retain my blue briefs, and eventually pj's - Rosada, they also issued nice sage green cotton socks with light treads on their sole, each day. Still managed to get one early "You look amazing!" and big smile, from the first nurse. She saw me pre-op, and almost immediately following. THAT was encouraging to hear so soon. I dove into her blue eyes deeper to see if she was just being nice or if she was speaking from her heart, and she was real. It wakened me to the fact that my body was happier. I hurt but feel better. That's quite line 6 too, but also line one. Or like teddy bears jumping through cray-paper hoops.

I can see and feel that reading woven throughout this gathering together.

 

[pocossin]

My surgeon is Afghan, and most likely Muslim.

I prefer doctors with Islamic or Asians name. I have gotten vastly better care from them. My current primary care physician is Dr. Mohammed Iqbal. His magical words were, "Stop taking Lisinopril. You don't need it," when I complained about the horrors of the Lisinopril cough. Dr. Dog (his Hindu name is unpronounceable, but that's what the nurses called him) saved me from a horrible and unnecessary medical procedure. Dr. Xia Li, the world's cutest cardiologist, was my first cardiologist. If I have a choice, I will never have another doctor who is not Asian.

Forty year ago when I was into mathematics, my statistics professor was Afghan, Pushto maybe. He was a great human being, both in class and out. I know because he and I attended the same bar. I went for a bowl of chili and a tall Bud. He went for a Bud and to talk to the lady who ran the place. The news presentation of Afghans as scum is garbage.

 

[sooo]

hey Tom,

For some reason, the cowtown of Kingman has become home to quite a large group of Afghan cardiologists, and they enjoy the finest reputation among their peers and patients. The first cardiologist I went to was Jamal Al-Khatib, MB BS, who came highly recommended. Nice man but became frustrated that I didn't have the means to pursue an aggressive approach due to lack of funding. I'm sure he'd have had a pacemaker in me long ago. I found that since I served in the military during the Nam era, that I qualified for VA medical assistance. Unfortunately, the small Kingman VA clinic is terribly understaffed and my MD just continued or increased the same meds. He's in his 80's and has a ridiculous case load. Frustrating for me because he was not fluent in English, nor had time for dialogue. He was from the Philippines, and wears a wig that's off a 16 year old boy on steroids. I require communication with a doctor or nurse. I've never been happy with him, but I think it's mainly because he hasn't kept up with new technologies and follows military protocol, which has a habit of eliminating common sense, such as my pulse! Hello? Al-Katib is one of several Afghans who run the Kingman Cardiologist Center.

My operating cardiologist is Dr. A. Saadeh, MD. Cardiology, Interventional Cardiology, whose practice is based at the Kingman Regional Medical Center. His working partner diagnosed my case and ordered the procedure: Dr. Dunning, a Caucasian cardiologist.

It seems a little odd to find Mosques in a cowpoke town like Kingman, however the small city has attracted many professionals from southern California due to the heavy taxation and high cost of California living.

I've heard of the Lisinopril cough, but it doesn't effect me very much that way, other than occasional dryness/scratchiness in the chest and throat. It sure knocks my bp down effectively, along with other meds. There seems some controversy among professionals over which are the most effective with least side effects, and conclude, it's person by person. I don't know. I'm not a cardiologist.

All this is good, but I won't fall into the line 6 trap of presuming upon absolute success. I waken differently. There's not-so-nice feelings going on in there. Maybe the heart dragon is angry for having its lair infringed upon by invaders, and is attacking the probe ends. Heart Wars. The unnatural invades the natural, for the intent to save.

If a man would let himself be guided
he wouldn't worry.
He would be a she
to male deity.

Now ain't that a bitch.

Woops, see? That horse gets loose
now that's life's juice
flowing down the river...

life is freakin' amazing
i don't mean sensation
or cranial masturbation..
i mean life.

 

[anemos]

All this is good, but I won't fall into the line 6 trap of presuming upon absolute success. I waken differently. There's not-so-nice feelings going on in there. Maybe the heart dragon is angry for having its lair infringed upon by invaders, and is attacking the probe ends. Heart Wars. The unnatural invades the natural, for the intent to save.

I think there is a real war, yes, In many levels; mind& body, different brains, natural vs artificial. Can relate... things will calm down after a while.... all involved will 45. I could talk for hours about your 25>45 reading... don't worry I won't lol...

From the beginning of this thread , this dream was in my mind and I avoided many times to post it...
Happy for you that you met those "angels". was hoping you will.

Sometimes , the stories we live are not that nice and there are no answers to our "why's"... but sometimes we make up those answers and make nice stories. It's when the 25.1 takes care of the 25.6 and the 25.6 takes care of the 25.1, imho, inside the 45 temple.

If heaven helps, will become like the gentle bitch you met and piss off some docs and nurses and patients and escorts The more you leave ( and live) there, the less you take with you... like 40.3...

take care that Heart
:bows:

 

[Trojina]

I've a number of questions.....bear with me

Question 1.

In addition he’s ordered other tests, where he found anything suspicious, even a head examination. Damn, people been telling me to get one of those for 60 years! Since he does not have the files/x-rays from my original chf work ups, he’s treating this more or less as from scratch, which is good. Maybe really get to the core of this thing. Same meds meanwhile. They may fix something I didn’t know was broken, and mend something that wasn’t as broken as I thought.

Presuming those other tests showed nothing nasty.....and the head test was...... normal ?

c'mon they must have missed something with the head ?






just kidding

 

[Trojina]

An old guy across the road had it done. Before, hardly anyone saw him. Immediately afterward he was always busy with his garden and grounds work. Man, I'd love to have that energy again. I still have things I want to do, just need the octane.

Question 2.

re "I still have things I want to do"

What are they ? It's early days and you still have a weak heart due to CHF (right ?) but given it appears your heart hopped through the hoop and lived to tell the tale....what's next ? What will you do if this pace maker really gives you more oooomph ?


I ask as am curious and also it's interesting what we think we wanted to do when we think we may not have much time left to do it.


Obviously only share if you feel like it. Does it feel way too early to be planning to do those things you want to do ? But that 17.1 looked a good omen for that thought you had about the things you wanted to do


Question 3.

Any more questions to Yi since the operation ?

 

[Trojina]

Question 4

Or like teddy bears jumping through cray-paper hoops.

well this is more a point for Hilary....has she not thought of marketing the Clarity Teddy ? Great publicity for Clarity. The actual bear could be flown around the world to members facing hospital visits and other such traumas. Copies of the bear could be purchased via the sales page with the appropriate hexagram for the occasion.

ETA the bear would be wearing a t shirt with hexagram emblazoned upon it

 

[sooo]

I've a number of questions.....bear with me

Question 1.





Presuming those other tests showed nothing nasty.....and the head test was...... normal ?

c'mon they must have missed something with the head ?






just kidding

ha! The head test may or may not be authorized by the VA, as they have their own mental health dept, but what he was questioning why I take an anti-anxiety med. When he discovered it was for poor sleep, I think he moved it to that dept, still psychological, though I've slept better the last two nights than in a long time.

If my mind was diagnosed as "normal", I'd be awfully disappointed.

 

[sooo]

Question 2.

re "I still have things I want to do"

What are they ? It's early days and you still have a weak heart due to CHF (right ?) but given it appears your heart hopped through the hoop and lived to tell the tale....what's next ? What will you do if this pace maker really gives you more oooomph ?


I ask as am curious and also it's interesting what we think we wanted to do when we think we may not have much time left to do it.


Obviously only share if you feel like it. Does it feel way too early to be planning to do those things you want to do ? But that 17.1 looked a good omen for that thought you had about the things you wanted to do


Question 3.

Any more questions to Yi since the operation ?

A lot of unknowns, really. I later was told it was a good couple of months later, not right away, when the old man was back to his gardening with vigor. A few moths later, he and his wife were moved to an old folks home, where he soon died. I'm told by the docs and nurses, oh no, can't raise your arm, can't lift and wear the sling for the first two weeks, and some things shouldn't be done ever again, like lifting and carrying my bigger guitar amp around, or any heavy or awkward pushing or pulling. One case sighted was a woman who moved her refrigerator over, pulled one of the leads out. Back to the ER to repeat the entire procedure.

The chf symptoms are expected to continue, but it isn't yet known just how much this pacemaker will effect or improve it.

To do: Find a place to live where I feel more relaxed and comfortable, probably living alone again. Not so easy with costs going up but on a fixed retirement income. Yes, way too early to tell for sure, but at least I can remain awake all day and carry out such a move, with a couple young helpers, whom I can hire. Before I barely had the energy to write and place an ad, but very little left to do anything about it.

What I've been told I should do more than anything else is to write a book. There was always one reason or another I blew it off. Maybe in the right atmosphere and with the right energy, I can finally get around to doing that.

I don't know what I'll do with the extra energy until I know how much there is, what potentials it opens up.

OH, lots of questions, as you might imagine, but not so many regarding the heart and that, more about living conditions, which I'd like to improve to somewhere more suitable for a lone coyote.

Too early to act on them, but not too early to conceptualize just what would make me a happy man. Sometimes that's the hardest part, knowing what will make you fulfilled. At least I have able 'helpers' now that were worn out before.

 

[sooo]

Question 4




well this is more a point for Hilary....has she not thought of marketing the Clarity Teddy ? Great publicity for Clarity. The actual bear could be flown around the world to members facing hospital visits and other such traumas. Copies of the bear could be purchased via the sales page with the appropriate hexagram for the occasion.

ETA the bear would be wearing a t shirt with hexagram emblazoned upon it

A Clarity Bear sounds like a great idea! I know the support I've received on this thread from yourself and others has been a great moral support to me, even though it wasn't intended for that purpose. I'm sure it could be for others, too.

 

[Trojina]

To do: Find a place to live where I feel more relaxed and comfortable, probably living alone again. Not so easy with costs going up but on a fixed retirement income. Yes, way too early to tell for sure, but at least I can remain awake all day and carry out such a move, with a couple young helpers, whom I can hire. Before I barely had the energy to write and place an ad, but very little left to do anything about it.

Oh yes, agreed, that is a priority, a space to be who you are uninterrupted, and to use the kitchen when you feel like it. Hope you find somewhere soon.

What I've been told I should do more than anything else is to write a book. There was always one reason or another I blew it off. Maybe in the right atmosphere and with the right energy, I can finally get around to doing that.

Oh yes ! Good idea. Maybe the physical restrictions might even help in that they keep you stationary long enough to get down to writing.

Too early to act on them, but not too early to conceptualize just what would make me a happy man. Sometimes that's the hardest part, knowing what will make you fulfilled. At least I have able 'helpers' now that were worn out before.

Yup...not too early to dream build the next place you are going to live.....