The Yi as a broken record... or... oh no, here we go again.

[cal val]

Hi there...

As many of you who've been reading this forum for the past two and a half years knows, the Yi likes to direct the conversations I have with them. Last night and this morning was one of those times.

It didn't matter what I asked, they answered with hex 10, no changing lines... three times last night. This morning I asked a question, and they answered with 6.1 to 10. This is the third or fourth time since I've been back in LA they've gone off on this hex 10 tangent. So...

I'd love to hear people's experiences with 10 no changes... or your keen upflappable understanding. In the meantime, I'm off to read Brad's interpretation.

Thanks.

Love,

Val

 

[dobro p]

Pretty spectacular - getting the same hex again and again...

(voice of the Yi): Now that we have your attention, madam, and now that you're convinced that the result you're getting is indeed the one you need, perhaps you'd be willing to spend some time actually applying it to your life situation?

lol That's how the voice would speak to me, anyway. Substitute 'sir' for 'madam' lol.

 

[lightofdarkness]

from the universal perspective:

The basic structure of the quality of 10 is described by analogy to the under-exaggerated qualities of 47 - enforced enclosure of some form.

Flesh-out this basic architecture of 10 and the enclosure is in the form of a path one is walking under close scrutiny - and so the need for 'conduct' etc.

From the outside 10 presents itself as 28 - a focus on 'going the extra distance', a focus on being excessive in some way (reflected in the focus on watching oneself as one is being watched).

The eventual 'end' of the path, the journey, is described by analogy to hex 50 - transformation, the 'raw' has been 'cooked' and is suitable for presentation/consumption

The beginning of the journey is described by analogy to hex 06 - a focus on some form of compromise (competitive focus).

There is overall a focus on an alchemical process.

The base trigram is of Lake and covers self-reflection both literally and figuratively. This reflection concerns interaction with an audience (be it of millions or of one) where the core focus is on issues of bonding; sharing space with another/others 'out there' - as compared to mountain that does that 'in here'.

The top trigram of 10 is Heaven and in this top position it represents singlemindedness.

If you want the 64 hexagram 'genetic sequence' of 10 see the line meanings section in:

http://www.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x111011.html

Chris.

 

[lightofdarkness]

Oh - be wary, the sharing of space with another can also reflect (!) sharing space with oneself - narcissism is also represented with Lake; there is an overall sense of how one looks to another/others and includes sexual love with its focus on replication - also gets into issues of mimicry etc.

Chris.

 

[cal val]

Dobro...

You got it... but apply it to what aspect of my life? That is the $64 question. Everything is going very well, and I have no inclination to change anything I'm doing at the moment. I don't need to.

This goes on all the time with me and the Yi. Besides these urgent runs, so many times the Yi has described my coming day for me before it answered my question. So many times I've asked a question, couldn't figure out how the answer applied to it, come to work and watched the answer unfold right here right in front of me applying perfectly to a challenge or something that came up. I'll bet it happens to a lot of other people too. If they were to chart their answers... time and date and Q & A, I'll bet a lot of people would see the same thing.

Love ya,

Val

 

[cal val]

Chris...

"...and the enclosure is in the form of a path one is walking under close scrutiny..."

That resonates and gives me shivers. It's come up before for another hexagram and line by another interpreter. I can't remember which hex and line right now and my notes are at home. It basically said I being investigated and to allow it because I was being considered for something.

Hmmmmm... now I'm thinking... and watching my posture... *wry grin*

Thank you.

Love ya,

Val

 

[lightofdarkness]

;-)

Well, as the 'ending' property of 10 shows:

"The eventual 'end' of the path, the journey, is described by analogy to hex 50 - transformation, the 'raw' has been 'cooked' and is suitable for presentation/consumption"

so that implies the sense of preparation for something 'higher' ;-)

This is derived by XOR-ing 10 with the archetypal 'completion' hexagram of 63:

bottom-to-top
-------------
110111 (10) the 'whole' under consideration
101010 (63) aspect of the whole
-----------
011101 (50) - the analogy describing the expression of 63-ness of 10; how 10 expresses 'completion'.

Chris.

 

[lightofdarkness]

btw - 63 reflects getting the steps 'right' - IOW in the correct sequence and so leading to proper closure.

OTOH, 64 deals with being a little too relaxed, and so getting the sequence wrong - the traditional text focuses on the fox getting its tail wet in crossing the river. BUT this is also interpretable positively in the form of avoiding closure, of remaining open.

In the line change interpretations the patterns of lines of 63 work as a template used to assertain line content being correct or not - and so yang lines in line positions 1, 3, 5 are correct, yin in 2, 4, 6 are incorrect.

 

[lightofdarkness]

oops - "yin in 2, 4, 6 are incorrect." should read "yin in 2, 4, 6 are correct."

 

[dobro p]

Val - well, 10's all about conduct and how you're placing your steps on life's path and being sure you don't tread too close to dangerous things, right?

Which means you have an especial need right now to focus a lot of your attention on what you're *doing*, not just activities you're involving yourself in, but particularly choices you're making. This might be a good time to go over your values, especially the ones that inform important choices you make.

'Love, truth and beauty'? lol

Also, any powerful forces in the vicinity that you should be paying attention to and respecting right now?

 

[jerryd]

Wooh; Val pare this with you men in grey and where does this take you? Not discounting any other venture such as trips and especially Ectra.

 

[demitramn]

Hey Val, do ya care for my two cents worth?

I scanned through my I Ching journal to see when and where hx10 has turned up for me in the past couple of years. Much to my surprise, I just discovered that hx10 doesn't really turn up much for me. It turned up only four times for me in the past 2 years.

The first one was in connection to some guy I was interested in. The second one was for a question that my son had in connection to some woman he was interested in. The third one was in regards to the right garage I needed to take my car to. And the last one came out in answer to one of my *big* life questions (that I ask from time to time, as you know

). The nature of evil, in this case.

It turns out that since my son and I are both quite set in our ways, neither of the relationships we asked about panned out. In each case, we both felt that the prospective relationships in question demanded something from each of us that didn't seem "natural" for either us, so neither relationship was pursued. In these, hx10 was a focus on a need for some kind of personal compromise to make each relationship work.

In regards to the right garage for the repairs on my car: the problem was not clear and obvious and it demanded a certain care and effort from any mechanic working on it to zero in on the problem-part. As a result, I found myself going from garage to garage until I found someone willing to go the extra mile for me.

In each of these cases, there was a demand for a specific corrective action to be taken or changing some set personal habit/approach, in order to make the issue in question "work".

And finally, my nature-of-evil question: hx10 in this case was the relating hexagram, which emphasized for me that evil was something that emanated from within individuals and manifesting in the outer world of form (primary hexagram was 22) as a result of not looking in more closely at our conduct before we act; a lack of discipline and precaution is what produces much of what we label "evil".

Well Val, I do hope this helps you some.. now back to work for me.

Demitra

 

[jte]

Perhaps take a second look at the Image. Sometimes (but not always) when I get an unchanging Hexagram I find that it applies particularly well...

An aside, that 2nd line of the Image in 10 is a bit odd, no? "Settlement to the aims of the people" - I wonder what that's all about...

Anyhow, best of luck with this!

- Jeff

 

[cal val]

Thanks everyone very much.

Chris...

Sex? What's that? Oh wait! I know! THAT'S the thing that comes around once every blue moon (or so) for me... *grin* Thank you again. I did a lot of reflecting on your reading this weekend.

Dobro...

<blockquote>"Which means you have an especial need right now to focus a lot of your attention on what you're *doing*, not just activities you're involving yourself in, but particularly choices you're making. This might be a good time to go over your values, especially the ones that inform important choices you make."</blockquote>
Will do! I already spent a lot of this weekend contemplating what all this means. Thank you.

Demitra...

I ALWAYS care for your two cents... you know that. Uhhh would that be Canadian or American? This thread is the first time I ever connected hex 10 with relationships. And your two cents certainly helped me get it all into perspective.

On the question of compromise... whether I can do it or not depends on what the compromise is I think.

Thank you.

JerryD...

Yup! You're putting the pieces of the puzzle together quite nicely. You can probably see more of the puzzle than I can in fact... *grin*

Thank you.

Love,

Val

 

[pakua]

Hi Val,

You said:

"...so many times the Yi has described my coming day for me before it answered my question... couldn't figure out how the answer applied to it, come to work and watched the answer unfold right here right in front of me ..."

Would you say, in hindsight, that it described your day AND answered your question at the same time?

Just curious because I have the feeling that Yi will take a chunk of your life and describe it all at once. Sometimes I'll ask about one relationship and then at work I'll have an interaction with someone else, and think, hmmm, that was the reading I just got about the other person, and yet that was valid too.

 

[cal val]

Hi Pakua...

Actually, the answers have each very well described a specific incident or problem that needs to be solved that I don't know about yet. And, of course, the incidents are important to my work life or finances or something (this hex 10 spree is pointing to "or something"), and there are lessons to be learned in them and things to do, etc. Usually they are answers I get in the morning over my first cup of coffee, but sometimes they talk about it the night before. They are so unfitting to my questions that I sit in confusion until the incident happens or the problem arises and I have an AH HA! moment. I haven't experienced these answers again after the AH HA! moment... experienced them answering my original question, so thus far... No... they have not appeared to be multipurpose answers.

Furthermore, it's happened enough that now if I consult the Yi with a specific question in mind, I often first ask what I should know about my day... and then if there's anything I should know about my financial affairs... to get all that out of the way. Then I ask my question.

Love,

Val

 

[jte]

Val -

So, basically, in your case the Yi often simply tells you want *it wants* you to know about, yes?

Perhaps able/wanting to do so because you're now adapted to interpreting if/when it does this?

- Jeff

 

[pakua]

Hi Val,

"...to get all that out of the way. Then I ask my question. "

Must take a while sometimes to ask a question!?

Have you noticed any pattern when Yi answers other questions first, as far as focussing your mind is concerned? Does that happen more or less often when your concentration is more or less strong, or when you feel more in tune or not?

 

[cal val]

Jte...

There's something out there that protects me... whether one wants to believe it's my unconscious or... guardian angel(s)... no matter...

And whenever my questions are pre-empted it's always because there's something I NEED to know. When it's been about incidents at work... I've known to look at the incidents as part of a bigger picture. When it's about other things, I've either been able to avoid problems before they happen or solve them effectively if I missed the clues and they've already started growing.

At any rate, I'm very happy with the arrangement. My life was in the toilet in Virginia, and they helped me out. Now my life is running rather smoothly and peacefully as a result. So... I'm happy to listen to what they have to say to me whether it's what I asked or not.

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Pakua...

I don't focus. I open up and be receptive. Focusing... thinking... not conducive to intuition.

I've been strongly intuitive... sensitive... precognitive... since I was a child. A psychologist I was seeing about the scars from a traumatizing experience in my childhood recognized it in me in the first couple of weeks of our association. I never told her, so I'm suspecting I unwittingly picked up something about her I couldn't possibly know. She told me I'd developed the "skill" (there's no skill involved whatsoever) as a survival tool when I was living in that life-threatening situation in my childhood.

When I was in my late 20s besides having precognitive dreams and 'just knowing things', I was also able to see/hear/feel other people's thoughts and feelings simply by touching them (I first did it accidentally), and when I learned about Maria Papapetros and her psychic awareness classes, I was there in a flash to learn how I was able to do what I did and why and how to control it. I learned all that and more.

I hear a lot of people here talking about focusing and concentration rituals, etc, and I don't say anything. My experience is one of those "you had to be there" things, so anything I say would be a foreign language to many who post here. It's not at all about focusing and concentrating. It's about being open and letting things come to you. When I'm reading another person, I simply open up, close my eyes (at least initially) and repeat whatever I'm seeing and feeling... no thought... no focus. Just openness.

However, to be really open, one should be emitting a preponderance of brainwaves that Maria calls alpha waves. They're the most calm, peaceful waves in the spectrum the brain emits. So it's a good idea to do a sequential concentration/relaxation exercise first to increase the alpha. But that's where the focusing ends... when that exercise is over.

Practice makes perfect, and I can often tune into people (only with their permission of course) without doing the exercise, and I've had more fun after a couple of vodka martinis exposing the poetic side of the macho sportswriter sitting next to me at the bar or seeing the volume of saleable songs the singer in the band has tucked away because he is too self-conscious to show anyone, etc.

You said: "Must take a while sometimes to ask a question!?"

Nope, it doesn't... because I don't focus. I simply have the question in my mind when I throw the coins... and let my body and whatever is controlling it to control the fall of the coins do the rest. Plus I don't usually ask a question unless it's something I've been pondering for awhile or unless something urgent has come up. And when I read my answer... it's not about focusing or concentration. I just read it and let the answer jump out at me. I don't focus... I don't think. I open up and let it come.

Love ya,

Val

 

[cal val]

Hi Pakua...

I stand corrected. After I wrote my post, I decided to research alpha waves, and my first stop was the Skeptics Dictionary... which I like very much... and he had this to say about alpha waves:

"Alpha waves are oscillating electrical voltages in the brain. They oscillate in the range of 7.5-13 cycles per second. Because alpha waves occur in relaxed states such as meditation and under hypnosis, they have been mistakenly identified as desirable. Alpha waves also occur under unpleasant conditions and when one is not relaxed. They are not a measure of peace and serenity, nor are they indicative of an altered state of consciousness. Alpha waves are indicative of lack of visual processing and lack of focus: the less visual processing and the more unfocused, generally the stronger the alpha waves. If you close your eyes and don't do any deep thinking or concentrating on vivid imagery, your alpha waves will usually be quite strong."

So... they're not as Maria said 'calm and peaceful.' They are, however, the state (unfocused, and nonthinking) necessary for being open, receptive and intuitive. Keep in mind, as well, intuition is NOT an 'altered state' of consciousness as he appears to be defining altered state, but I suppose can occur in an altered state as well. I have to say, though, it seems to me that every time (which is all the time) the brain waves alters, the state of consciousness would alter as well... be it ever so slightly. Oh well... *grin*

http://skepdic.com/alphawaves.html Have a look if you like. He's got more interesting stuff about brain waves there.

Love ya,

Val

 

[jte]

Val, glad to hear you're happy with your current equilibrium. Best to ya!

- Jeff

 

[anita]

Hi Val,

Ah 10! I'm haunted by it too. In terms now of this unexpected relationship with a guy I met online, and the Temple. In both cases it makes sense to me that I was and am being scrutinised for 'something higher'!

Best for your Quest
Anita

 

[demitramn]

Hey there Val..

I suppose the understanding of the word focus and concentration for different people can be as varied as there are... well people. Focus, for instance, can be used as a verb (as to bring something into focus or alignment which might require a certain degree of stress) or as a noun (as in maximum clarity or distinctness which is more about orientation and wavelength) yet because we often associate the word focus with an action performed by the eye, we imagine that some form of straining is always involved. But a maximum of clarity in focus can be achieved without straining at all and you are quite correct in saying that "it's about being open and letting things come to you." If we believe that all focus tends to involve the eye and its function, then we will encounter great difficulty in achieving the state of intuitive mind that emerges under the sway of the alpha waves. However, I do believe that cultivation of trust in the unknown (trust being the antithesis of "trying") is the key to being able to open and to letting go.

Demitra

 

[cal val]

Demitra... AND Pakua...

"However, I do believe that cultivation of trust in the unknown (trust being the antithesis of "trying") is the key to being able to open and to letting go."

HALLELUJAH SISTER! And I trust completely that if I don't get the answer immediately, the universe will make sure I get it before it's too late. And the more that proves to be true, the more I love and trust the universe... and feel this sense of protection.

You know after I wrote that post, I thought about the difference between focus and unfocus... at least the way I was defining them in my head at the time (I also like your other definition of focus), and I really can say I do both very well. I focus on my work very well. I can tune out everything to the exclusion of the problem I am presently solving. I've had more than one superior or coworker comment on how strong my ability is. And that use of my brain... that type of "thought" process is the complete opposite of how I use my brain to read the YiJing.

Love,

Val

 

[pakua]

Hi Val,

Up till now I've been casting by emptying my mind of everything but my question. I try to keep the question in the forefront, and whenever other thoughts come, I repeat the question.

It sounds like you ask the question, and then empty the mind completely and open up to whatever might come.

Have I got that right? I think I'll try it this way and see what happens.

 

[freemanc]

V,

Who or what is the tiger?

-- if you don't mind saying.


warmly,
F

 

[bradford_h]

No ? about it
Hu IS the tiger

 

[dobro p]

lol

Hu's on first.

 

[cal val]

Pakua...

I don't empty... again that requires effort. No effort necessary. From the moment I contemplate asking the Yi, I simply leave myself open.

And that's because I know that I'm not doing ANY of it. I'm just wondering, and the force that answers my questions does the rest... they know what I want to know and/or need to know, they know which version I'm going to consult... and they control my muscles so that the coins fall as they want them to.

It's just like Demitra said... it's all about trust. That's all I do... just trust.

Love,

Val