Toki-Moai is a very powerful aid

[laureet]

Sorry, my attention span does not allow for serious philosophical conversations without inserting some buffoonery in between...

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No problem, humor is always welcome I was just wondering if the thread was considered exhausted and declared RIP ...

 

[laureet]

No, it just pisses me off. I'm very familiar with this bunch and others like them. Like all disinformation artists conscious or just ignorant, they do a fine job of muddying the waters of a real phenomenon. And of course, for most, crop circles have been consigned to the dustbin as easily explained: "Why, it's a man-made hoax isn't?" No different to many other avenues of research that are ridiculed and swiftly dealt with by the thought police.

You are so right !

People use to think about how the allegedly "hoax" authors benefit and they center their attack on them, while in true, many of the people who allegedly "unmasked" the "hoax" are very often the ones cashing in fame and money (books, documentaries, show how, etc) at the expense of everyone. Looking at the historical records of crop circles, the first found or rported were extremely difficult to explain, complex and could not be reproduced, only much later came the copy-cats and the "hoax" exposers, as you say, as always...

May be if people were a bit more alert to how the individuals "exposing" alleged hoaxs profit from their activity, the spell will turn against the sorcerer ...

if you look at the designs carefully they are actually very poorly executed compared to genuine ones.Topal

To create a fake which ressembles the original but which is easier to destroy in the public eye and opinion, has not only been used by religions and empires in their ways to conquer the public, but is a tecnique described in the Manual for Psychological Operations of the US Army

 

[laureet]

I was for posting something about Personal Mandalas, toki-moais, magic circles and magic squares, principally in relation with the spiral formula of Nature and the Universe, and the relation of the spiral formula with YiJing revelations.

The relation of the magic squares to YiJing and to the spiral formula so evident in Koru, Mandala and Toki-moai, and of course all the matter of luck, divination and fate behind it all, is a subject which I am deeply interested

Nevertheless, given that this thread is pretty much dead and didn't have a good start I will open a new thread about this later.

:bows:

 

[renhaitx]

Toki-Moai usage

I just want to let all know that I am in my third month after getting my toki-moai done and I have never been happier, all sorts of changes and even the strange ones or seemingly bad ones ended up showing great improvement in my life. Thank to the I Ching I found the whole toki-moai thing, and thanks to the toki-moai I am finding a new life !:bows:

Hello Laureent,
I have got my Toki-Moai in less than a month. I have followed the instruction to stamp them in varous places, as well as burning the stamped wish list every night.
However I have not seen dramatic improvement in my life yet, I was told that Toki-Moai is only a gate not a ship or car, I have to work for it once the gate is open. Is that correct?

So why I heard somepeople said that Toki-Moai improved their life? It may need 3 months?

 

[Tohpol]

Hello Laureent,
I have got my Toki-Moai in less than a month. I have followed the instruction to stamp them in varous places, as well as burning the stamped wish list every night.
However I have not seen dramatic improvement in my life yet, I was told that Toki-Moai is only a gate not a ship or car, I have to work for it once the gate is open. Is that correct?

So why I heard somepeople said that Toki-Moai improved their life? It may need 3 months?

Did you read the small print just below the barcode?

Topal

 

[dobro p]

So why I heard somepeople said that Toki-Moai improved their life? It may need 3 months?

I heard it may need 3 lifetimes. Or more.

 

[renhaitx]

It workes for some people

I don't know… I heard Toki-Moai from a friend not from Laureet....She told me that Toki-Moai really changed her life but takes several months though....

I have asked the Master again, he said 'toki-moai will not work for me if I don't work together with it'. I guess toki-moai opened the gate which I did not have before, then I have to go across the gate and work hard to achieve what I wanted?

I guess toki-moai is not something that will make your dream come true overnight??

Also Master said I should see NOW what is happening, but when I burn the stamped wishes, I couldn't SEE what is happening. I am not psychic.

Well, several people said that Toki-Moai improved their life to certain degree. I still think it may work, I need to be patient a little bit…..

I really hope it will improve my life because I bought black/blue/red three of them.

 

[laureet]

Hello Laureent,
I have got my Toki-Moai in less than a month. I have followed the instruction to stamp them in varous places, as well as burning the stamped wish list every night.
However I have not seen dramatic improvement in my life yet, I was told that Toki-Moai is only a gate not a ship or car, I have to work for it once the gate is open. Is that correct?

So why I heard somepeople said that Toki-Moai improved their life? It may need 3 months?

I see you are kind of desperate needing or wanting changes in your life. I have not enough experience on Toki-moais for telling you or anyone else how to do it, I just wanted to share when I started the thread. I can however detect that you placed a lot of hope on it and you know how it is... the more you try to force something, the more you risk to have contrary effect, you know , too much of something becomes the contrary... Just let go, make what you think you should do, concentrate in small steps or in the main thing, then let it go, if you stay trying to "push" it, you just make the contrary ... this is a general suggestion about how all seems to work, if you apply it to your Toki Moai or not is your call.

 

[laureet]

Hey guys

Hey Dobro and Topal, I know that everyone is a comedian but who wrote the question seems to be really worried, I am sure you could see beyond the allergy you have to Toki Moais and help her with the non Toki Moai bit, the "try to change my world" bit? Some Yijing suggestions for him (or her, sorry I don't know the gender of the writer), I know you can help lots if you want to...:bows:

 

[willowfox]

I don't know… I heard Toki-Moai from a friend not from Laureet....She told me that Toki-Moai really changed her life but takes several months though....

I have asked the Master again, he said 'toki-moai will not work for me if I don't work together with it'. I guess toki-moai opened the gate which I did not have before, then I have to go across the gate and work hard to achieve what I wanted?

I guess toki-moai is not something that will make your dream come true overnight??

Also Master said I should see NOW what is happening, but when I burn the stamped wishes, I couldn't SEE what is happening. I am not psychic.

Well, several people said that Toki-Moai improved their life to certain degree. I still think it may work, I need to be patient a little bit…..

I really hope it will improve my life because I bought black/blue/red three of them.

It looks like you have been had. You should have consulted the IC first. You can't blame the "master", where there is a fast buck to be made out of the gullible, then the "masters" will go for it. You have conned yourself, being too greedy for an easy way out, there is never an easy way out.

 

[Tohpol]

Hey Dobro and Topal, I know that everyone is a comedian but who wrote the question seems to be really worried, I am sure you could see beyond the allergy you have to Toki Moais and help her with the non Toki Moai bit, the "try to change my world" bit? Some Yijing suggestions for him (or her, sorry I don't know the gender of the writer), I know you can help lots if you want to...:bows:

Laureet,

As you may know comedy is often a way to make a serious point: There's no free lunch.

The suggestions so far will have been enough to promote some self-examination I think - if that's what is part of renhaitx'x interest.

Topal

 

[bruce_g]

I see you are kind of desperate needing or wanting changes in your life. I have not enough experience on Toki-moais for telling you or anyone else how to do it, I just wanted to share when I started the thread. I can however detect that you placed a lot of hope on it and you know how it is... the more you try to force something, the more you risk to have contrary effect, you know , too much of something becomes the contrary... Just let go, make what you think you should do, concentrate in small steps or in the main thing, then let it go, if you stay trying to "push" it, you just make the contrary ... this is a general suggestion about how all seems to work, if you apply it to your Toki Moai or not is your call.

Good advise to anyone for anything. Seems, at least to me, a constant message from the Yi, as well.

The power of any inert object or symbol is in the expectation from the holder of that potentially sacred or magical object. Just as receiving an answer from an oracle depends on the expectation of reliable answer.

To use a borrowed prayer metaphor: When you pray, pray as though you've already received what you're praying for.

 

[laureet]

Tsst, tsst,tsst !

It looks like you have been had. You should have consulted the IC first. You can't blame the "master", where there is a fast buck to be made out of the gullible, then the "masters" will go for it. You have conned yourself, being too greedy for an easy way out, there is never an easy way out.

Not nice to talk about who you don't know in such disrespect, you don't tell someone that has been had or conned because she or he is not managing to use the I Ching book or kit just purchased... or that an I Ching teacher who sells books or courses on I Ching is running after a buck (at least not the true ones and who are you for differentiating on something you cannot claim mastership...)

Please keep it within boundaries of respect for the belief of others I know you should request the same
:bows:

 

[laureet]

Good advise to anyone for anything. Seems, at least to me, a constant message from the Yi, as well.

The power of any inert object or symbol is in the expectation from the holder of that potentially sacred or magical object. Just as receiving an answer from an oracle depends on the expectation of reliable answer.

To use a borrowed prayer metaphor: When you pray, pray as though you've already received what you're praying for.

Plainly wise
:bows:

 

[hilary]

Actually, the message, 'The gate is open, but you need to walk through it' is also pretty good. Whatever opens the gate.

 

[renhaitx]

It looks like you have been had. You should have consulted the IC first. You can't blame the "master", where there is a fast buck to be made out of the gullible, then the "masters" will go for it. You have conned yourself, being too greedy for an easy way out, there is never an easy way out.

Yes. I have ordered three Toki-Moai because my work/life has been through some not easy time. I was told the Toki-Moai site by a friend. She told me Toki-Moai has improved her life/her friend's life as well as her pat's disease, but she said it takes some time like 7-8 months...

I don't think I am greedy; I need some FAST change which is reasonable.....

Anyway Master said that 'The Toki-Moai and you, are one, it will not work for you unless you work for it. It is a gate not a car or a ship.'

Time will tell me the result. I am Chinese American, I have some deep respect for Toki-Moai though, never heard from it until that friend told me the link after I had told her what will be happening about my work.

I think Laureet is correct, I should let it go, after stamp them, and have a normal life as usual.....That was the issue I need to change.

 

[willowfox]

Not nice to talk about who you don't know in such disrespect, you don't tell someone that has been had or conned because she or he is not managing to use the I Ching book or kit just purchased... or that an I Ching teacher who sells books or courses on I Ching is running after a buck (at least not the true ones and who are you for differentiating on something you cannot claim mastership...)

Please keep it within boundaries of respect for the belief of others I know you should request the same
:bows:

I will tell you something, if I had been stupid enough to fall for this old trick then I would be far too ashamed to tell the world what a fool I had been. Where I live I see this type of scam 24/7.

 

[willowfox]

Yes. I have ordered three Toki-Moai because my work/life has been through some not easy time. I was told the Toki-Moai site by a friend. She told me Toki-Moai has improved her life/her friend's life as well as her pat's disease, but she said it takes some time like 7-8 months...

I don't think I am greedy; I need some FAST change which is reasonable.....

Anyway Master said that 'The Toki-Moai and you, are one, it will not work for you unless you work for it. It is a gate not a car or a ship.'

Time will tell me the result. I am Chinese American, I have some deep respect for Toki-Moai though, never heard from it until that friend told me the link after I had told her what will be happening about my work.

I think Laureet is correct, I should let it go, after stamp them, and have a normal life as usual.....That was the issue I need to change.

Robbing banks and gambling also produce very fast results but can you live with the results? Anyway, at least you will get results!
As for "master" saying it was a "gate", a gate to what exactly, a depleted bank account or to another world like the "stargate". I think you should question "master's" morals, because where I live we have all sorts of spooky people promising millions of $ to cures for aids and cancer if you buy one of their "things".
I think you should check your astrology chart to see why things are going wrong in your life, that will tell you what the problem is and when it will be over. Can "master" do this this or is he only able to sell bits of coloured metal?

 

[dobro p]

Hey Dobro and Topal, I know that everyone is a comedian but who wrote the question seems to be really worried, I am sure you could see beyond the allergy you have to Toki Moais and help her with the non Toki Moai bit, the "try to change my world" bit? Some Yijing suggestions for him (or her, sorry I don't know the gender of the writer), I know you can help lots if you want to...:bows:

Yes, I was using humor, but I am completely serious in my opinion of T-M, and I wanted that person to hear that opinion. If they are desperate to get one and use one, then my opinion won't change anything. But if the thing *doesn't* work for that person, then maybe it's important that they know other people think it's a pretty useless approach in the first place.

 

[dobro p]

Yes. I have ordered three Toki-Moai because my work/life has been through some not easy time.

Can I ask you why you ordered three of them? Did somebody tell you that three is better is one, or is that your own idea?

 

[bruce_g]

It surprises me that divination practitioners would have such a narrow view about this topic. These things have always been practiced, back to the earliest shaman.

Are there scams out there? Sure. Is this one? How do I know? I wouldn't order a prayer cloth from Benni Hinn, but I might from the Dalai Lama. The "master" is the one which speaks to you, not necessarily to somebody else. To criticize someone else's master strikes me as being desolate of knowing your own.

This gives me power. It is magical to me because it helps me. To someone else it may only be a bunch of symmetrical squiggly lines. What does it matter what someone else thinks of your master or magic?

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[Trojina]

It surprises me that divination practitioners would have such a narrow view about this topic. These things have always been practiced, back to the earliest shaman.

Are there scams out there? Sure. Is this one? How do I know? I wouldn't order a prayer cloth from Benni Hinn, but I might from the Dalai Lama. The "master" is the one which speaks to you, not necessarily to somebody else. To criticize someone else's master strikes me as being desolate of knowing your own.

This gives me power. It is magical to me because it helps me. To someone else it may only be a bunch of symmetrical squiggly lines. What does it matter what someone else thinks of your master or magic?

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Its not a narrow view its a view as valid as any other. I think symbols have intrinsic power regardless of expectation, I use reiki symbols for example. But these were passed to me by a person I trusted and i was also aware that when using for highest good of myself or another I don't have any say in what that 'highest good' may be so I have to trust what i think of as 'good fortune' may not be what is truly best for me. Sometimes whats best looks like 'bad fortune'.

 

[heylise]

Magic devices do work. It does not matter how, but I know one thing: you have to have respect for it. Whatever it is.

Years ago I wanted.. had no idea what I actually wanted, but I felt totally closed in. So I put a globe at the side of my bed, and turned it around 3 times each evening. I wanted to go out to the world, in some way, any way. I turned it from Europe (where I live) to America, to China and back to Europe. It was crazy, I could not even go to the next city, let alone anywhere farther.

What happened? Now I go from Europe to America to China and back - through the internet. I made two websites which reach lots of people, and I exchange with many people all over the world. I could never have thought of this, it still feels like a huge miracle.

If someone had told me I was a fool, that person would have been right. Thankgod there was nobody who did... I could simply go on with my silly ritual, not really believing it, but putting all my desire into it.

Put your desires into the Toki-Moai, not 'believing' it but being one with it. As if it is part of you, the channel for your wishes. Never ever listen to anyone who says anything disrespectful about it, or something which pins it down, be it positive or negative. It is not a 'thing', it is your own holy grail.

LiSe

 

[Trojina]

Yes, I was using humor, but I am completely serious in my opinion of T-M, and I wanted that person to hear that opinion. If they are desperate to get one and use one, then my opinion won't change anything. But if the thing *doesn't* work for that person, then maybe it's important that they know other people think it's a pretty useless approach in the first place.

I totally agree.

 

[hilary]

I should let it go, after stamp them, and have a normal life as usual...

Let me add another personal opinion to the mix. If someone's sold you these things with the promise that you can just buy something, continue with your life as usual and make no changes, and nonetheless change will happen... then, well, I have a profoundly low opinion of them.

The life you're living now is probably mostly the result of the choices you've made: how to be, how to think and feel, what to do. (I say 'probably' and 'mostly' because I don't subscribe to the 'you create everything in your reality' dogma.) In any case, the only sure way you have to change the results is to start changing those causes within your control. What you do. How you think, how you feel. How you are.

Another way to look at this: if the t-m has opened a gate, and you carry on walking in the same direction as before, what are your chances of going through it?

The I Ching can be a big help in working out what to change, and how.

 

[bruce_g]

Its not a narrow view its a view as valid as any other. I think symbols have intrinsic power regardless of expectation, I use reiki symbols for example. But these were passed to me by a person I trusted and i was also aware that when using for highest good of myself or another I don't have any say in what that 'highest good' may be so I have to trust what i think of as 'good fortune' may not be what is truly best for me. Sometimes whats best looks like 'bad fortune'.

Condemning something you (or I) know nothing about is a narrow view. It just seems odd to me that people who practice a form of "magic" jump on this with such cynicism and negativity. How many critics would judge us for using something as "ridiculous" as an IC oracle? As I've already said, I have no idea of the legitimacy behind Toki Moai, and therefore I can't judge it as being valid or not valid.

Secondly, there are many who, at least in the beginning of their Yijing exploration, approach the Yi in the same way as Renhaitx has approached Toki Moai: expecting “it” to do all the work. Gradually it becomes evident that it requires effort and self development before one could put it to effective use. We don’t jump on new IC users, though, nor do we judge the IC according to those who only scratch the surface of it.

 

[Tohpol]

Let me add another personal opinion to the mix. If someone's sold you these things with the promise that you can just buy something, continue with your life as usual and make no changes, and nonetheless change will happen... then, well, I have a profoundly low opinion of them.

The life you're living now is probably mostly the result of the choices you've made: how to be, how to think and feel, what to do. (I say 'probably' and 'mostly' because I don't subscribe to the 'you create everything in your reality' dogma.) In any case, the only sure way you have to change the results is to start changing those causes within your control. What you do. How you think, how you feel. How you are.

Another way to look at this: if the t-m has opened a gate, and you carry on walking in the same direction as before, what are your chances of going through it?

The I Ching can be a big help in working out what to change, and how.

Exactly.

And we live in a world that encourages that kind of something-for-nothing-mindset. "Magical" objects SO often act as buffers and props to self-knowledge because reality is set up in such a way that we become desperate for anything to help us out of our repeating patterns.

Everything we have, in order to be all we can be - is inside us. Therefore, generally searching within rather than without is, imo, a better and has long-term results. As far as I can tell Anything that helps us unlock that without skipping steps is certainly good. Which is what makes the IC such a good teacher of self-responsibility/knowledge as oppose to the reliance on ritualization and objects.

Topal

 

[bruce_g]

From Toki-Moai website:

"When you stamp [throw coins?], have a very clear picture in your mind of what you want to achieve. A simple clear picture will provide greater results than a list of wishes.

Always use your Toki-Moai in a positive way, never for selfish purposes which may make the life of others worst, Universe is a self regulating system and you get what you give."

Sounds a bit familiar.

 

[getojack]

Condemning something you (or I) know nothing about is a narrow view.

OTOH, you shouldn't be so open-minded that your brain falls out.

 

[bruce_g]

I once loudly pronounced a prophetic uttering during a worship ceremony. The word was: there is among us one who is desperately suffering an incapacitating and fatal disease, but before this person would be called and find peace in heaven, they would experience a miraculous healing. Therefore, the word spoken was to encourage this person, and prepare them for a time of liberation and great joy, before departing this earth.

A week later, a young married couple pulled me aside, thanking me profusely for having the courage to speak what was laid upon my heart. It turns out that this couple was sitting directly in front of me when I stood to prophecy, the week before. Next to them sat the woman’s father. He had throat cancer, so bad that he had to keep a towel on his neck to keep internal body fluids from running out. I saw the man holding the towel in front of me, but I had no idea that he was the one I was speaking to. After the ceremony, these three people returned home. The father’s open wound closed up and stopped discharging. He then ordered the couple to leave him alone in the kitchen for two hours, where he proceeded to prepare a delicious meal for them, singing the entire time. He was delivered from pain and worry, as he went about performing his offering to the children. All enjoyed the meal with celebration and joy. The man died in his sleep that night.

Do I believe in magic and miracles? You bet I do. And I believe the Universe is capable of Amazing Grace, which comes not from anything we have done, apart from believing.