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Sometimes too constructive criticism will be perceived as attacking one's cherished beliefs which are so rooted in a sense of self.
I honestly can't think of anyone here who is not my teacher.
I wish they would pipe up more often. Maybe they've reached a point where they no longer need to speak. I can respect that. Or, maybe they think that speaking might fall on deaf ears. I respect that too.
Hear hear!I respect too their desicion not to speak but I'ld like to hearing from them. We the new ones need you the more experienced .
Wf thinks we are against her, but maybe she should read her own reactions to remarks from us again? F-words and *** words. Who is here the one who is 'against'? Those words of abuse were not used against posts of attack, they were used against posts of inquiry, asking where she got her knowledge from, what source she used. Yes, there was criticism, but she saw it all as attack. It should be possible in a forum to voice criticism when something seems not right to you. And then talk it out together.
I've felt, many times, the way WF feels. There's a tone of spiritual smug-ness here that I don't like. Instead of directly answering the questions posed by inquirers, the 'helpers' often start dispensing advice. "Oh, you shouldn't ask that question." or something more vague like, "You need to grow a bit more before you understand how to really use the IC." Then, and it always seems to happen, the 'superior' beings start having a discussion around the person who asked, hijacking the thread to talk about their deep 'insight' into the nature of the IC. That's exactly what has happened here. It's really boring.
I totally agree with what you say because it is all true.
I totally agree with what you say because it is all true.
esolo, I said this elsewhere and I'll repeat it here cos I'm so sick of these issues being repackaged as some of us saying its wrong to ask such and such a question.
My POV is it is not wrong to ask a question about someone elses marriage that has nothing to do with you - that is you don't wish to help its just idle curiosity - thats not wrong - well it can't be because you simply won't be answered in a meaningful way or your answer points back at you. So its not wrong its just pointless IMO
I believe the Yi only supports and encourages the best and highest in a situation - in other words 'good' - and more specifically the best for ones own development as relating to the situation. Ask away all you like - waste hours in fruitless speculation over others business if you enjoy it as you do seem to.
and I have a great deal of compassion now for the person here that esolo was asking about, FWIW
you re not saying it is wrong to ask the question, just that it is meaningless.
BUt what if, as a psychologist, one is asking for insight into a family's problems, or a client's nature? (valid lines of questions IMO, and ones that can certainly get insightful responses from the I Ching.)
What you are saying< trojan , is that the Yi has a "morality meter", so to speak, which differentiates between questions that are "for the good" and those which are of the petty gossip nature.
Well, I must say, I am backing off to consider this. Perhaps it is something worth thinking about.
I tend to think that even the petty gossip questions get valid response..........and I will add that when I have indulged myself with "petty gossip" questions about other people, my responses DO make sense, but they often result in my getting a clearer and more compassionate view of the person(s) I am asking about.
Many times I have asked about the nature of an "adversary" in my life, only to given "glowing reviews" of the person from the Yi...which has made me gnash my teeth in frustration because I came looking for validation that someone was an idiot!!! BUt the Yi has always gently led me back to considering that I am not seeing that person in his/her entirety.
I see the Yi as a being, a sacred consciousness - far more intelligent than myself - who does turn away my questions when they are useless to me and points me in the direction i need to go.
Sounds like you are talking about god not an oracle.
Sounds like you are talking about god not an oracle.
I'd really love to know exactly what you think the Yi is Wfox - i think you said elsewhere you did think it was a neutral answer machine.
I see the IC as a tool for divination, I see it is as being 100% neutral, and I don't see it as being the word of god. I see that it will always answer any question put to it, it never matters what the intention of the querant may be, the IC has no feelings of right or wrong, it is not a sentient being.
If you think that the IC has some kind of consciousness, then how about a computer, that can also do readings for you.
Why? I'm not saying that you shouldn't I'm just wondering why you would care.
Btw, I have compassion for him as well, even though I think he brought a lot of it on himself. The answers just confirmed what I already suspected.
Dear Thread Starter ,
Getting into everyone else's business is just a crux we use to keep us out of our own.
The Universe has it's own business, you have yours and the rest of us have our own.
Anytime I assume to have the right to be in someone else's business (as recently experienced) I end up neglecting my own and forgetting myself.
Get back to you, forget whether this guy is married or not.
What is this? I Ching Water Cooler Chat Day? LOL
I see the IC as a tool for divination, I see it is as being 100% neutral, and I don't see it as being the word of god. I see that it will always answer any question put to it, it never matters what the intention of the querant may be, the IC has no feelings of right or wrong, it is not a sentient being.
If you think that the IC has some kind of consciousness, then how about a computer, that can also do readings for you.
Yeah, Trojan, I meant "crutch" not crux...bad typing habits I have!
I agree with you about judging and the negativity people have attached to it. We need to make judgements and yet NOT make them. Somehow I can not articulate what I mean at the moment.
But what really appalls me are the expectations people bring here when they post a question. They complain of boring or preaching answers but why do they post in the first place? Is there an advertisement somewhere that brings you to this site for 'free personal readings'? Do they come with a satisfaction guaranteed label? How can anybody complain!?
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Clarity,
Office 17622,
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London.
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United Kingdom
Phone/ Voicemail:
+44 (0)20 3287 3053 (UK)
+1 (561) 459-4758 (US).