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I asked about the best way to overcome coronavirus and got 13 uc:
Oracle:
'People in harmony in the wilds: creating success.
Fruitful to cross the great river.
A noble one's constancy bears fruit.'
Image:
'Heaven joins with fire: People in Harmony.
A noble one sorts the clans and differentiates between beings.'
Very clear no? Taking physical distance from crowds.
It's not all that clear to me, and that's not the conclusion I'd necessarily come to, because:Very clear no? Taking physical distance from crowds.
Yes, and I could imagine the court diviner saying to the Zhou emperor -Perhaps 13. ... means the answer involves considering the whole issue of fellowship,
... and to carry the anology a bit further - and maybe further away from the reading - we wouldn't exist without certain viruses and 'germs'. And there are many that not only reside in us but are a part of us ....... and now we've got a real problem with microbe immigrants.
I agree with this theory. Our human genome and our immune systems will take care of it. Fellowship with others, clan, could mean “herd immunity”, immunity that comes from our common human genome that we all share.... and to carry the anology a bit further - and maybe further away from the reading - we wouldn't exist without certain viruses and 'germs'. And there are many that not only reside in us but are a part of us ....
'Certain viruses are also integrated into the human genome as proviruses or endogenous viral elements.' ....
Not being a scientist, my sense of this is that many 'immigrant' virus are now in our DNA. And I think it is still more reason to consider 'fellowship among people / harmonizing people' (and all the myriad beings that go along with our 'human-ness') when dealing with COVID-19.
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People in harmony in the wilds
That's not the conclusion I was getting to. I was just using the idea that life relies upon many creatures and organisms, and that we should look at this as a 'roll model' for cooperation.Our human genome and our immune systems will take care of it.
That's not the conclusion I was getting to. I was just using the idea that life relies upon many creatures and organisms, and that we should look at this as a 'roll model' for cooperation.
This is exactly what is NOT HAPPENING right now, with some US lawmakers and Fox News spreading rumors the the virus was caused by the Chinese eating bat soup, or that the virus was created in a Chinese bio-weapons lab, or - perhaps most idiotic of all - the lie that Obama had some hand in our lack of a response! The Chinese for their part are spewing the same nonsense, but insteand blaming us!
I don't think that left to our own devices, that our natural immunity nor our human genome will simply deal with it, just like we've never just 'dealt with' the flu, typhoid, typhus, measles, polio, etc without medical/scientific interventions, like vaccines.
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Exactly. The corona virus has already mutated 5-6 times that they know of. Also, infection with the virus does not guarantee immunity, as proven in China where people can get the same strain again. There is NO scientific evidence so far as to how immunity could possibly work, and thus 'herd immunity' is a huge nonsense.I don't think that left to our own devices, that our natural immunity nor our human genome will simply deal with it, just like we've never just 'dealt with' the flu, typhoid, typhus, measles, polio, etc without medical/scientific interventions, like vaccines.
First, I should apologize. I didn't mean to imply that all Chinese - and certainly not many scientist or healers - were not cooperating with others. Many are just like their counterparts in the US and other nations and are trying to work together!some of the healers using traditional chinese medicine against the first wave in Wuhan, they have explained all they were using, all the meridian points, herbs,
Why would you even mention this? How does it even related to what I said or to this topic? I have never found this to be the case with the 'western' TCM healers I've seen. Instead, this is just an unnecessary 'potshot' - and feels inappropriate, especially since you go on to say ...Sadly, western practitioners of TCM, by default have a lot of problems doing as good job ...
So, which is it? Do you think people should work together, or are you being one of those "people that will focus on other stuff during times like this"?...no point being pulled into that imo.
Why would you even mention this? How does it even related to what I said or to this topic? I have never found this to be the case with the 'western' TCM healers I've seen. Instead, this is just an unnecessary 'potshot' - and feels inappropriate, especially since you go on to say ...
I believe we work together as far as general political ideas come from the media without any practical application other then to make people enter a specific state(be that angry, afraid or whatever is needed).So, which is it? Do you think people should work together, or are you being one of those "people that will focus on other stuff during times like this"?
Yes, I am glad you get that ... or at least you say you do ....Its not relevent to what you posted,
Again, why do you insist on making this about you and your opinions of TCM? No one has said anything about being 'awesome' - only you.... anything else can be taken as the idea that TCM is awesome ...
And I suppose you wouldn't, given how off-topic your posts are ...I don't see contradiction here, ...
Again, completely off-topic, and no one has even said anything of the sort, except you! And if you want to discuss the merits of TCM, or your opinions about the deficiencies of western practitioners, I suggest you start a new thread in the Open Space forum.I don't think we should work together in the idea that anything or anyone out there, no matter how little knowledge they have for the eastern way, could produce same effects as TCM practitioners in the east often do.
Yes, I am glad you get that ... or at least you say you do ....
Again, why do you insist on making this about you and your opinions of TCM? No one has said anything about being 'awesome' - only you.
And I suppose you wouldn't, given how off-topic your posts are ...
Again, completely off-topic, and no one has even said anything of the sort, except you! And if you want to discuss the merits of TCM, or your opinions about the deficiencies of western practitioners, I suggest you start a new thread in the Open Space forum.
Well, I can think of a few good reasons why you might .... But you are correct, all of you opinions about TCM and western practioners are 100%, absolute fact and are completely on topic and are based on your interpretation of the original post, and you haven't tried at all to hijack this topic in at way!And why I would make my posts about my opinion
Thank you for this observation. We're being told to work from home, use Facetime, conduct school online where possible, have things delivered instead of going to stores, etc.I see a difference between 37 and 13.
Notice how 13 has fellowship outdoors
instead of gathering indoors, like with people in the home.
This might be a good example of how (frighteningly) tricky readings can be, especially if you don't happen to know anything about the subject already.
13 at naive first glance does seem to say "fellowship!" I'd certainly have thought that. But it can't possibly be - every bit of reputable public health advice says to isolate ourselves. We already know that.
That's what I thought M.E. was getting at. I took it the way Mandarin just said, to use "outside the box" ways of connecting so to speak.Just looking at the symbolism of a hexagram with no change lines. If change lines are what connect one hexagram to another then 13. Fellowship with People in The Open without change lines is the perfect symbol for no connection between people = Social Isolation!
We are connected, though, not physically, but via the net! It's a common effort ...
I see your point, but I think Mary's question was bigger than that.13 is fellowship in less crowded places.
really want to see the friend?
meet in the park and go fir a walk breathing fresh un-pumped in/recycled air.
I asked about the best way to overcome coronavirus
I see your point, but I think Mary's question was bigger than that.
I asked about the best way to overcome coronavirus and got 13 uc:
Very clear no? Taking physical distance from crowds.
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