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49.6
Six at the top means:
The superior man changes like a panther.
The inferior man molts in the face.
Starting brings misfortune.
To remain persevering brings good fortune.
After the large and fundamental problems are settled, certain minor reforms, and elaborations of these, are necessary. These detailed reforms may be likened to the equally distinct but relatively small marks of the panther's coat. As a consequence, a change also takes place among the inferior people. In conformity with the new order, they likewise "molt." This molting, it is true, does not go very deep, but that is not to be expected. We must be satisfied with the attainable. If we should go too far and try to achieve too much, it would lead to unrest and misfortune. For the object of great revolution is the attainment of clarified, secure conditions ensuring a general stabilization on the basis of what is possible at the moment.
-Wilhelm
Is this a 49.6 issue?
ravenstar
Hi, Frank:...
In the Can Tong Qi - The secret of everlasting life. Is one of my favourite books. Everything is explained with trigrams and hexagrams. The book is a translation of the ancientChines text about finding immortality...
Your are speaking of the YIN TIGER, say SHE-TIGER,The mythical white tiger is a very important animal in Chinese literature.
SHE-TIGER is born on KAN (moving waters), she used to take risks, to face danger, she masters danger.... the yin Tiger is born on the position of Kan...
SHE-TIGER stands in the WEST, the golden place, she owns the gold of experience.... stands in the west on the place of Metal...
3) SHE-TIGER belongs to the EARTH, the reign of the GREAT MOTHER.... Gold... and water... together make ... the Wu earth...
SHE-TIGER transforms in a BLACK TIGER, she masters CHANGE, she can become as FIERCE as a male tiger (if no more).... transforms in a Black Tiger...
SHE-TIGER is TUI (the little daughter), permissive and passionate, the WILD.... Then it is the Dui(lake) tiger...
SHE-TIGER rests in Pleiades, rests in the reign of HEAVEN among other STARS, resides in the mansion of the HUSBAND, she-tigers are sociable among them.... is resting in the Pleiades, his number is seven...
I don't understand this part, what's the «pool of jade»?The crescent of the moon, the white tiger, the trigram Dui(lake) en the Po soul. They all belong to the west and represent the Other, or the pool of jade".
I don't know I think its a 49.6 issue if you do a cast and get 49.6 about it. I'd rather go from actual experience to line than take a line and fit a situation to it if you see what i mean. Isn't it more enlightening to take the situation and ask the Yi about it than to presume the Yi would describe it as 49.6 ? So in answer to 'is this a 49.6 issue' I'd say we can't be clear about that unless we got 49.6 about it though you could say it looks very much like a 49.6 situation to you
I have a Dutch translation of the book that Richard Bertschinger translated from Chinese http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Everla...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228552260&sr=8-1. It is quit expensive though. But if you look further you can maybe find a cheaper one. Because it is realy worth it.Thanks very much for the quotes. I saw the chinese text in the page of Fabrizio Pregadio but I wonder if there is an english affordable version .
Your are speaking of the YIN TIGER, say SHE-TIGER,
SHE-TIGER is born on KAN (moving waters), she used to take risks, to face danger, she masters danger.
SHE-TIGER stands in the WEST, the golden place, she owns the gold of experience..
TIGER transforms in a BLACK TIGER, she masters CHANGE, she can become as FIERCE as a male tiger (if no more).
SHE-TIGER rests in Pleiades, rests in the reign of HEAVEN among other STARS, resides in the mansion of the HUSBAND, she-tigers are sociable among them.
... a text from a cultural time when the wife moves to husband's home, but she still retains secretly her ancient power, healing power among other. From being a Princess in Earth, she becomes a Star in the house of Heaven, retaining her own light.
I don't understand this part, what's the «pool of jade»?
Ravenstar asked if the the Canadian political situation could be described by the meaning contained in 49.6 and I said I thought it could. This is a valid intellectual exercise - if you think a line has a particular meaning, then seeing that meaning in a particular situation is harmless enough, and possibly even a useful way of increasing your understanding of both the line and the situation. Neither of us pretended it was a consultation. As for your idea that it's more enlightening to ask a question of the Yi: I think it's more enlightening to ask a question of the Yi if it's about something that concerns you personally, especially if your feelings are involved and especially if there's something you can do about it. I really don't put much stock in the consultations that some people do here about big social/political/economic issues.
Hello Charly,
i'm glad you liked the qoates, yes it is a wonderfull book. And I read it already twice. But with the discussion about 49 I start to understand it even more..
I liked your interpretations a lot. And I will try to explain my interpretations. But if you or somebody else has other idea's please tell because these text have severall layers. And are quit complicated I think.
I have a Dutch translation of the book that Richard Bertschinger translated from Chinese http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Everla...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228552260&sr=8-1. It is quit expensive though. But if you find further you can maybe find a cheaper one. Because it is realy worth it.
It is standing on the spot of metal. the colour of metal is White. The place of 4 what is a yin spot. So it is yin female yes.(see attached image)
Here the book is refering to the Lo Shu, the magic square where everything counts up to 15. There are three kind of earth.All symbolically connected with the number 5.
The Ji Earth of 5 made out of Fire(2) and Wood(3). The Wu earth of 5 made out of Water(1) and Metal(4). And then there is earth itself as 5.
The Ji earth is the connection with the father the Wu Earth is the connection with the Mother. So trigram Heaven is getting the middle line from wood and is becoming trigram Fire. And trigram Earth is getting the middle line from Metal and is becoming Water.
The last 5 is the Earth as being the Children.
And in text is standing" Water has fear of Earth, thats holds it back, absorbs it and what makes it's escape impossible.And fire has fear of Water, because it cools Fire and it makes flaring up impossible.When water isn't escaping and Fire isn't growing, because they both take over the moderate character of Earth.
Then the three charakter Water, Fire and Earth are coming together in one point. That is the way Husband and wife, Father and Son and Mother and Daughter show there original source where they all come from.
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Than the White tiger is going to the place of the North the place of the Dark warrior. For me this was a referal to The King Wen and Fu Shi sequence. The place of water in both sequences.
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Yes I like that, but why 7 stands in the West, is still quit obscure to me.
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What I know from Jade that it is a cooling stone, used for beaty. The cooling aspect of the stone cools fire. And is used for the skin to take the heat away. It has a stong yin quality.
Frank
49.6
Six at the top means:
The superior man changes like a panther.
The inferior man molts in the face.
Starting brings misfortune.
To remain persevering brings good fortune.
...
I believe that the JUNZI (the Noble-Young) doesn't change like a panther, he becomes a panther, a fierce, dangerous animal.
How do not associate 49.6 with gattopardism ? (1)
But what happened to the face of the Little-People? Does Litle-People have the mark of the REVOLT in his face? Is Little-People the true revolutionary? Maybe he strips his face? He unmasks himself passing from humbleness to sincere violent action ? (2)
Maybe althought to attack could be unlucky, no warranty of success, there is always a resident lucky omen the inner luck of being well behaving. The moral nature of the action beyond the contingency of results.
Temporary translation:
NOBLE YOUNG PANTHER BECOME
sons of rulers become fierce animals (panthers) or false revolutionaries (leopards, gattopardists)
LITLE PEOPLE UNMASKS [HIS] FACE
or maybe has the mark of revolt in his face..
TO ATTACK OMINOUS
maybe there is the feeling of unfortune
INNER LUCKY OMEN
for the conduct is lucky by its own nature
but who is the superior/noble young and who are the 'little people'?
Dora:... would love to hear your opinions on it . .
... never send to know for whom the bell tolls...John Donne
See: http://www.poetry-online.org/donne_for_whom_the_bell_tolls.htm
BTW, little people can also pull a plane...
The question is: who or what leads and unites them? The idea is: for this, a noble has been born and schooled.
. . but oh so true! they can pull off great things these little ones!
Meng, I am taking steps I think . . baby steps at that but they still make me happy . .
you write:
and I can't help but wonder how far can we separate the leader and the follower in this inner landscape (the internal organization you spoke about) Where does my small, limited self end and my noble self begins? And yes, for me in some ways this is also a question of right and wrong, or rather not these words, I am very suspicious of them, let's say, of well-timed and ill-timed being . . it's always been so hard to distinguish the threshold between the two (I guess it is a matter of training among other things)
It's probably because of that that I end up seeing nobility as a state of grace, a potential of which I can only be the bearer, not the owner -it is me but yet again it isn't. If the noble one say they are noble, don't they loose their grace? if the little ones recognize the time to take off their mark of power and go back to what they were before, don't they achieve some nobility?
Excuse me, I think I'm rambling . . perhaps I'm twisting things out of their natural state
so I'll just go back to your question: Who or what leads and unites them?
:bows:
(hmm . . if we believe in Luis' photo, then it must be 'the way to fly' that ties them together)
Charly, a really nice text what you posted . . knew the phrase but not where it came from . .
I'll be glad to read your response!
... I hope it shows my point . . not a different translation but a new understanding ...
... but who is the superior / noble young and who are the 'little people'?
I've often read here that the 6th line is the exit line of the hexagram, is it the case here in 49 that in this line the revolution is accomplished and the revolutionaries take off their guerila masks and take on appropriate offices? Are the little people the men who fought for the change of status quo or are they the officials that now leave behind their privileges? Could the two positions be similar?
And what would those personages translate to if the revolution is taking place inside one?
In revolutionary moments we become witnesses and advocates of a force greater than our mere self. ... .
Language is one such force whose subjects we are. Sometimes we are taken over by language, we become the means thru which language will show its ruling order. In such moments we do not write language, it is language that is revealed thru us.
Trying to willfully take on its truth is beyond our mere selves and will lead to misfortune. We have to go back to our everyday life -do the dishes, take the garbage out, boil the water...
Hi Dora:hi Charly,
thank you so much for taking the time to go through my post so thoroughly!
I've found a lot of inspiring ideas in your reply and of course new questions have sprung but please allow me some time to set my thoughts straight before getting back
. . thinking about it do you think perhaps it would be better to start a new thread so as not to drag this thread while hex.50 is being discussed? or is this the way it should be, continuing the Transformation while we're in the Ding?
:bows:
All is uncertain and relative, even more, all change. No matters how noble and superior we can be, always, always, always there is at least another that is even more noble, more superior than us. And vice versa, no matters how little and humble we can be, always there is somebody even more litlle and humble.
Then the Noble Youngs are WE and also the Little People.
Te text don't say nothing about it, but when you make a concrete question and receive 49.6, you have the last word, you choose.
In revolutions, as in all war, the most important is to have good luck.
There is always conflict inside ourselves
Feelings can be unclear, confuse, changing or unstable, but always are true.
Every day life is a sort of meditation although not always recognized.
Quite right, force exceeds us. Did you already read «the Poem of Force» by Simone Weil?
Above 9: Union of people in the meadow. Without regret.
Recognizing "your own kind" has nothing to do with levels. It is all about being human, and not about high or low, good or bad, rich or poor. So show clearly who and what you really are, and see and accept what others really are, without imposing your own standards.
(Changes to hex.49)
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