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Hilary:...
Another perspective - 兌亨。利貞。 - dui heng li zhen. Hexagram 1 says 元亨利貞 - yuan heng li zhen. So dui is in the place of yuan - sublimity, or source, beginnings ... The substitution makes dui look to me like a special kind of yuan.
... (Two symbols representing) the waters of a marsh, one over the other, form Dui. The superior man, in accordance with this, (encourages) the conversation of friends and (the stimulus of) their (common) practice.
Legge
Hi, Frank:... Perhaps you could discuss more the elements in ze and how it gets from place where waters gather ... to the other meanings.
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Frank:... All in all it all makes good sense. Just sort of highlights that there are limits to trying to find total meaning just in the ideogram/characters written rather than the line structure and KWS numbering...
... So hex 58 is the gathering place for friendly discussion but not ultimate home for even two connected lakes or marshes are still subject to water flows and the Joy of hex 58 is only one feeling not an entire human reality for an entire lifetime.
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Hi Charly,
Having spent several years in a chaise lounge by a swimming pool doing at least an hour a day of swimming meditation; and watching the girls fashionable swim tops come off their actual tops as they swam laps, I quite agree with you.
A swimming pool is absolutely a mix of marsh, lake, friendly discussion and testicles.
That modern image makes the deep meaning embedded in the ideogram totally clear.
Thanx,
Frank
I have introduced within parentheses, in the translation, the words «in the case which the hexagram presupposes»... King Wăn and his son wrote, as they did in every hexagram, with reference to a particular state of affairs which they had in mind. This was the unspoken text which controlled and directed all their writing; and the student must try to get hold of this, if he would make his way with comfort and success through the Yî ...
From Sacred Texts
at: http://www.sacred-texts.com/ich/ic03.htm
INMENSA GIOIA DI VIVERE
Canta l'immensa gioia di vivere,
d'essere forte, d'essere giovine,
di mordere i frutti terrestri
con saldi e bianchi denti voraci,
Gabriel D'annunzio
(1863/1938)
at: http://www.liceoalberti.it/~magic/DANNUNZ/da-gioia.htm
58.1
Joy of inner wholeness.
Good fortune.
The life force becomes active and so supports
our acting outwards. The inner being (line 6)
accepts the life force and so we are centred and
complete innerly so we act out without doubt
Hi, Dora:... Joy as the harmonious expression of pent up energy?
Sounds like Art . .
Todo en su medida y armoniosamente:
We have a wonderful youth, but be careful that she can take a mistaken way! And that it is our obligation, that it is our task...
We must return to the Greece of Pericles, where in each frontispiece there was a legend that said: «Everything in its measurement and harmoniously».
J.D.Perón, 2/8/1973.
Hi, Dora:
I agree more with your HARMONIOUS applied to JOY although I'm affraid that HARMONY has a wide if not conflictive variety of meanings (1).
和 he2 sounds the same than 合 he2 to combine / to unite / to gather / to collect / to close / to suit. (2)
Yours,
Charly
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(1) Much times HARMONY means plainly SOCIAL CONTROL, «do not disturb»:
(http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=harmony&searchmode=none)harmony
c.1384, from O.Fr. armonie, from L. harmonia, from Gk. harmonia "agreement, concord of sounds," lit. "means of joining," related to harmos "joint, shoulder," from PIE *ar-ti-, from *ar- "to fit together."
... To participate in such pleasures would certainly bring remorse, for a superior man can find no real satisfaction in low pleasures...
Copla:
...cuán presto se va el placer,
cómo, después de acordado, da dolor;
cómo, a nuestro parecer,
cualquiera tiempo pasado fue mejor...
Jorge Manrique (1440-1479)
If NO SATISFACTION, what should be the reason for to participate? There are PLEASURES with NO SATISFACTION?
Hi, María:...be back with better explanation.
Sincere joyousness. Good fortune.Remorse disappears.
The Yi often talks about fu 孚, a character which is many times translated as 'trust', 'confidence' or 'truth' ...
On bronze inscriptions we see 孚 mainly used as a verb: to capture people, chariots, or other materials during a battle ... It was the act of acquiring war booty, and sometimes it also referred to the booty itself... This meaning was lost in later centuries, instead of a verb it became a quality...
H.Mesker
From: http://i-tjingcentrum.nl/serendipity/archives/117-Whos-fuling-who.html
Pregunté a la tarde de abril que moría:
—¿Al fin la alegría se acerca a mi casa?
La tarde de abril sonrió: —La alegría
pasò por tu puerta— y luego, sombría:
Pasó por tu puerta. Dos veces no pasa.
A.Machado (1)
From: http://www.los-poetas.com/a/mach1.htm
Thanks, Frank:... Thus the Superior Man (and coolest cat) at nightfall goes indoors [taking his lady friend from poolside to bed for mutual satisfaction {which is what makes him Superior to the average male}].
Les amoureux fervents et les savants austères
Aiment également, dans leur mûre saison,
Les chats puissants et doux, orgueil de la maison,
Qui comme eux sont frileux et comme eux sédentaires.
Ch.Baudelaire
From: http://www.kalliope.org/digt.pl?longdid=baudel1999070183
Hi, María:
But I have NO EXPLANATION. The things is that I little trust in high purposes of the so called «Superior Men» .
Thanks, Frank:
I don't understand too much what are CATS doing here. (1)
Low Men maybe don't worry about mutual satisfaction or maybe, no having too much delicacy, they do the thing in the poolside.
I have read that the Shang courtiers preferred the pool, better if filled with wine!
Maybe this was the reason they were defeated, or at least the Zhous said so.
Yours,
Charly
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(1) Maybe «The Cats» of Baudelaire? Sex and wisdom indeed.
intercourse ? ( won't say more about it,)
Generally, I think, if i understand correct your questions, satisfaction is when you get what you expect. Sometimes those needs need fulfilled lead people to seek the joy in every place they can possibly find pleasure. Then there are engaged with sources that can’t bring this satisfaction, and they get disappointed thus the regrets and remorse. That gap inside remains empty.
Lower pleasures, here, might mean lower than it is ready needed or superficial in the sense that the joy they offer stays in the surface and evaporates quickly .
charly :
But I have NO EXPLANATION. The things is that I little trust in high purposes of the so called «Superior Men» .
Hi, Mike:Hey Charly
Karcher says 58.2 is a trustworthy place. Open yourself to this influence. It will open a whole new world, Reach out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuZoYAL65Yo
Mike
When you have a genuine connection to joy and are walking within the bubble of genuine joy then there is no reason to be "tempted by pleasures that are inappropriate".
I don't know about Wet Wet Wet and the I Ching , however, there are lots of wise artists who hide there knowledge within the symbols of their art. Perhaps it is one way that they are able to truly express themselves.Hi, Mike:
Do you believe that the WET-WET-WETs have read the Changes? I believe to perceive some issues:
→ love felt in the toes
→ written on the wind
→ there is no begining, there will be no end
I agree very much with you:
Yours,
Charly
Hi, María:... Is the "superior man" flawless ? Why can't he engage himself with such people or pleasures ? And how someone becomes superior ?
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Hi, María:
Maybe we need some logic: «if someone is a superior man then he is perfect». It's of course TRUE, because NOBODY is a SUPERIOR MAN.
Then, I have no idea of what motives can have a person that doesn't exist.
Best whishes,
Charly
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