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I am in a sticky situation of dependence on someone abusive in my immigration situation. Per advice of mulberry, I asked "Can you show me a picture of a way out of dependence from X"?I got 16.1.2.3.6.>14 Four changing lines so I should read the line 5...In the interpretations, it is something about the chronic conditions that is not being cured but doesn't cause death.. and hexagrams 16 and 14 seem quite bright...I'm not sure what it is, just advice to keep going? My visa ends soon and I was promised a job that would sponsor my visa but I have to wait til August. In the meantime, I am left with no job either and legally it is unlikely to get hired before my current visa expires. Does 16 and 14 mean to keep trying and then things will work out? Thanks
 

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16.5 is a picture of a person hanging on to life under the most desperate of circumstances so yes, I think it is reasonable to interpret your reading as meaning "keep trying [or keep breathing!] and then things will work out."
 

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I don't believe that line 5 is the main advice, but it is of course your personal decision how to approach your reading.

I would interpret it like a series of events:

16.1: You realise that this connection with this man is nothing you can or should count on.
16.2: Set firm boundaries.
16.3: Don't hesistate or procastinate while trying to change your situation.
16.6 Your disillusion will be the condition that finally helps you being set free.

14 as a relating hex is very auspicious. I think you will get some support and help.

Edit:
... I think the advice of line 5 may apply additionally, I would second rosadas interpretation too.
 

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Your reading did not have line 5 in it,
so there is no reason to read line 5.

Your reading also didn't have the novel Gulliver's Travels in it, though it is a good read.

Focus on the two hexagrams:
Enthusiasm and Wealth

How do those two things apply to your situation?
I'll take a guess that the abusive person has money?
Is the enthusiasm yours?
 

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and hexagrams 16 and 14 seem quite bright...

I don't think that hexagram 16 is indicating 'brightness' here, imo rather the opposite may be the case: it seems to refer to the illusions and false hopes you had about your cooperation with this guy ...
But the good thing is that these times of delusion seem to be over -- you received a lot of lines, which means that there is motion in your situation. Also you got the last line of hex 16, that means that this hex will terminate now or soon.
I think you can put your trust in hex 14 which is most auspicious as already mentioned.

A more 'bright' interpretation of this hex in your context could be that it means that things are in 'preparation'. Times of preparation that will end in the foreseeable future and then you will able to act again.
 

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Very funny. But I have to gently disagree with you Moss. Although the odd-line-out (or what ever it's called) method isn't the most widely used one, I think that if a person has decided to use this method the I Ching will talk to them in their "language". I suspect the important thing is to be consistent in your method. No after-the-fact switcharoos! No fair claiming your 9 was really intended to mean 16!

I wonder if someday someone will invent some sort of a muscle tester type machine that will be able to measure your physical reaction to a question and give you a visual on a screen that can be translated to a hexagram. Like certain wave lengths correlating to a specific hexagram...
 

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Call me gently mortified,

Rosada,

Have you read in Brad's book where he mentions all the 'drooling' that accompanies Yi study?

What you are advocating for (whether you realize it or not) "oh anyway is right!" Doesn't take into account for human error, which is rampant in this world. and which also doesn't take in to account how the spirits/heaven don't generally intervene to prevent stupidity: look at the millions upon millions killed in unneeded wars throughout history, or a moth flying in to a flame for that matter.

This 'method', which ignores the received lines, AND ignores the received hexagrams was made by a pea brain that couldn't handle dealing with multiple lines.

The focus should be on the two hex's (not hex 45 because that one wasn't received either)

I will speak to correct this error everytime I see it here.
 

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@Moss Elk

Well while I also do not use the "Odd-line-method" I still believe that this line can give additional insights -- just like the Fan Yao.
When there is a lot of motion in the primary hexagram it can be interesting to have a look on the "blank space" -- the absence of something can have a meaning too.
And interestingly, in the case of bluelight it seems indeed to be accurate to take line 5 in account.
 

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What you are advocating for (whether you realize it or not) "oh anyway is right!"

Hm, I think rosada meant that if you sincerely want to have a conversation with the 'divine' it's likely that 'the divine' will find a conversation style that the querent prefers and therefore understands.

We can not simply talk about 'errors' here since the I-Ching is not a hard science.
 

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I can stare at a rock or space out and gain insight as well. (really, it's true)

I ask anyone who follows this system and is advocating to read line 5 to answer this: Since you are telling the querent to read 16 >(45), How are you accounting (or discounting) for the fact that the querent got 16>(14)?
 

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But should I operate under the delusion that I am studying the Yi Jing, when I am staring at said rock?

I think we shouldn't put it as random as you did with your example of staring at a rock. The absent line is still part of the system that each hexagram represents.
 

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The absent line is still part of the system that each hexagram represents.

So are the other 62 hexagrams that the querent didn't receive. Are you advocating those should also be read?
 

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If the seeker's system for consulting the I Ching involved reading every hexagram then I suppose the I Ching would speak to him that way. Not a method that would catch on real quick IMO, but hey I've gotten results finding lost items by reciting the alphabet so maybe there's something there. (The Alphabet Method for Finding Lost Items or Remembering Names: Go through the Alphabet and say a word that begins with each letter as in "A for Adorable, B for Balloons..." and so forth. It's like it directs your brain to consider every possibility. A moment after you reach Z you will find the item or remember what you were trying to think of.)
 

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@bluelight - If this was my reading I'd take it this way:

16 - enthusiasm - there's a lot of energy swirling around the issue of this person's dominance, and the inability to be sure his power will be used to your good, if this person has integrity then things will be ok. (note the qualifier!)

.1 - pretty scary situation - you are not on firm ground here
.2 - the laws limit your protection to the timelines you've given
.3 - don't delay making your best choice real, don't just wait and hope things will work out - do something.
.6 - right now you are imagining the worst and flailing about in the dark, get some firm information about your rights and about who might be able to help you. (someone in your country's embassy? a lawyer who specializes in immigration issues?) Once you have that information you should be able to manage.
 

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If the answer was meant to be 16.5 she would have cast 16.5 surely.

:confused:

Also why focus on 16.5 as line 4 wasn't changing either and no one mentioned that ????
 

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So are the other 62 hexagrams that the querent didn't receive. Are you advocating those should also be read?

No. I also do not really and fullheartedly advocate this odd-line-system, since I personally prefer to interpret all the received lines in combination with the relating hexagram as you maybe know. But I don't find it impossible that people who use other systems may find useful information this way. And here the I-Ching spoke to bluelight and not to us. So I additionally try to make sense of her reading with her system. As I said I don't believe that you can regard the Yi as a hard science.
 

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I am in a sticky situation of dependence on someone abusive in my immigration situation. Per advice of mulberry, I asked "Can you show me a picture of a way out of dependence from X"?I got 16.1.2.3.6.>14 Four changing lines so I should read the line 5...In the interpretations, it is something about the chronic conditions that is not being cured but doesn't cause death.. and hexagrams 16 and 14 seem quite bright...I'm not sure what it is, just advice to keep going? My visa ends soon and I was promised a job that would sponsor my visa but I have to wait til August. In the meantime, I am left with no job either and legally it is unlikely to get hired before my current visa expires. Does 16 and 14 mean to keep trying and then things will work out? Thanks

No definitely don't read lines you didn't get. After all if the I Ching's answer was those lines then you'd have gotten those lines. And it's not as if you chose to go with the idea of reading lines that don't change as you said in your last thread you don't know which lines to read.

So your actual answer was 16.1.2.3.6>16

Both 16.1 and 16.6 show you reading in too much desperation, that you are sort of so sure that getting out of the situation is the best thing you miss out the fact that you aren't doing so bad according to 14.

Now of course if this man is physically abusing you then there's no doubt you have to get out of course but you haven't said that and other people seem to be assuming he is so I think it's important to know in what way he is abusing you ? If we don't know then it seems to me people are jumping to all kinds of conclusions whereas in actuality you aren't hiding away in a hovel you are pursuing a career path as you described in the other threads and this person is like a kind of sponsor and you don't like the way he treats you.


I'm trying to clarity as I think people are reading things into your situation that you haven't actually said.

If I were going by the reading alone I'd say it's better to focus on what you have rather than what you could have but obviously I wouldn't say that if I knew you were undergoing something intolerable.


All you've said is this person is 'abusive' ? Obviously if you don't want to clarify this point then that's fine but I saw the 49.3.4>3 on the other threads and thought it a good reading whereas Mulberry saw it as terrible :confused: and I'm confused because on the one hand you've said in other threads you are engaged in a career path, training, work you are passionate about, so though it's hard you are making progress in your life but now here everyone's kind of going along the track you are a victim and nothing else whereas it seemed to me there was a lot more going on in your life, from the other threads, especially the one called 'how can I be happy'.
 

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No. I also do not really and fullheartedly advocate this odd-line-system

I didn't really think you did.
I was simply doing the work of scrutinizing what some have apparently not.
 

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Thank you everyone for your interpretations. This all has been very helpful. I can't quote so I will try to clarify a few moments raised here."Now of course if this man is physically abusing you then there's no doubt you have to get out of course but you haven't said that and other people seem to be assuming he is so I think it's important to know in what way he is abusing you? If we don't know then it seems to me people are jumping to all kinds of conclusions whereas in actuality you aren't hiding away in a hovel you are pursuing a career path as you described in the other threads and this person is like a kind of sponsor and you don't like the way he treats you." Thank you Trojina for digging into the interpretations. Yes, so he is emotionally abusive and manipulative. He is not beating me or forcing me to do anything sexual directly but more implicitly. He is acting unstable and unreliable, he is verbally abusive; I do not live with him anymore and do not intend to sleep anymore which I indicated, and he brags to me how he sleeps with someone else. So at first he liked it as a sort of hard to get thing but later acted salty and given his mood is like weather, who knows where it takes. He definitely acts greedy over little things (not money even) so that is super annoying to me. So other thing was that I found a temp job but then it fell through and I told him so he is aware I cannot afford rent for next month. He indicated he'd support it, then also gave me work that I asked about earlier (49.3.4>3) but it is again not a salaried job, but a % I will get from him later. So it's all very fuzzy. And fights were about this. As a backup, I have a place to stay for next month but the situation is not best overall. I also spend my savings on other expenses and maybe will be able to offset it with some freelance gig...So, yes, regarding the previous posts – mulberry is right that yes he is manipulating me from the start. Just using my vulnerable situation - where legal jobs and most jobs are not available to me easily. If I were a citizen, i'd have a stable job no problem. So when i wanted to give up on trying to stick around, he offered me to stay with him instead, convinced me it is okay, then said I have to participate in a project he immediately founded (which I am still waiting for); and if I do not participate, I can't stay. There were other emotional threats that I bought into in the very beginning. So, since it was an opportunity I'd like, even though I realized it came at a price of depending on him, I didn't decline it and hoped I'd find another job. And I did but it fell through :( Also, the venture he promised is taking longer than he promised. So yes - he is leveraging his power over me (not being able to support myself immediately, willing to stay in the country and this industry...). And yes there are good sides to it, I am trying to do it for myself and my future. Regarding reading the line five. I use https://ichingonline.net/ for castings, and it says "There are four Changing Lines. Read the upper NON-changing line" which would be 5. Since it is a bit confusing, I asked for help. Potentially, yes, if the company takes off soon and visa works out, I'll be good. Just mediating communication with him is difficult and managing my living situation right now
 

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In my recent reading, I see the indication at someone else's help or support, such as 61>27 before or".6 - right now you are imagining the worst and flailing about in the dark, get some firm information about your rights and about who might be able to help you. (someone in your country's embassy? a lawyer who specializes in immigration issues?) Once you have that information you should be able to manage." And I can't piece together what it relates to. I have friends who are supportive of me. I thought of going to a lawyer in general in the future, if there is pro bono to consult me on this issue. I obtained some recordings of his speech but not many. Not sure who else - if i complain to the people I work with, or more - supposed to work with, even the ceo, doubt anything good would come out of that. He gathered them all together and my role there is small. To the other people he most likely appears as a kind savior giving me this opportunity, and this is how he positions himself. So something that would help me in the interim - some other job opportunity. And one of them already failed. I am looking right now of course but not sure what else would help here.
 

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And yes there are good sides to it, I am trying to do it for myself and my future. Regarding reading the line five. I use https://ichingonline.net/ for castings, and it says "There are four Changing Lines. Read the upper NON-changing line" which would be 5. Since it is a bit confusing, I asked for help. Potentially, yes, if the company takes off soon and visa works out, I'll be good. Just mediating communication with him is difficult and managing my living situation right now


But even if you use this method, which is most unadvisable, line 5 was not the only unchanging line, line 4 was unchanging too.


Now I have heard of the idea if you have all lines changing except one line then read that line, and I can almost see the point of that but then when you have several unchanging lines and you pick one that is even more bizarre. The website is misleading.


(I think a problem we have been seeing here lately is people go to other websites, get misleading information, in particular about which lines to read and then come here to discuss it because the misleading websites have no forums or no decent forums at least. I've seen many newbies completely thrown off track by these website stating 'rules' like this about which lines to read. It's a pity)


You got 16.1.2.3.6>14 and so those lines are the ones to interpret. You didn't get lines 4 and 5 so they are not in your reading.


I didn't see the 49.3.4>3 at all like Mulberry so maybe I will head over there later to see what I can see.

Thanks for all the extra information it is helpful.
 

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"I didn't see the 49.3.4>3 at all like Mulberry so maybe I will head over there later to see what I can see." Thanks, any insight would be helpful as I am still in this boat. After thinking about the readings and looking up state labor laws, I realized i should go and consult a lawyer and make something out of this whole situation in present or future.
 

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16.5 is a picture of a person hanging on to life under the most desperate of circumstances so yes, I think it is reasonable to interpret your reading as meaning "keep trying [or keep breathing!] and then things will work out."

16.1: You realise that this connection with this man is nothing you can or should count on.
16.2: Set firm boundaries.
16.3: Don't hesistate or procastinate while trying to change your situation.
16.6 Your disillusion will be the condition that finally helps you being set free.

14 as a relating hex is very auspicious. I think you will get some support and help.

How do those two things apply to your situation?
I'll take a guess that the abusive person has money?
Is the enthusiasm yours?

I don't think that hexagram 16 is indicating 'brightness' here, imo rather the opposite may be the case: it seems to refer to the illusions and false hopes you had about your cooperation with this guy ...
But the good thing is that these times of delusion seem to be over -- you received a lot of lines, which means that there is motion in your situation. Also you got the last line of hex 16, that means that this hex will terminate now or soon.
I think you can put your trust in hex 14 which is most auspicious as already mentioned.

A more 'bright' interpretation of this hex in your context could be that it means that things are in 'preparation'. Times of preparation that will end in the foreseeable future and then you will able to act again.

Mulberry said she thought he had a wish for a relationship with you but you didn't pick up on that so you may mean he is abusive in just how he acts, hard to tell.
Yes he did

Both 16.1 and 16.6 show you reading in too much desperation, that you are sort of so sure that getting out of the situation is the best thing you miss out the fact that you aren't doing so bad according to 14.

Hi, I decided to go back to reflect on these readings, with some especially sticking out in my memory. So, the situation here developed the following way. The startup I was supposed to work at didn't deliver but - the abusive character in question hired me into his own startup, which also covered my student visa via an evening school. Also, as soon as I started working for him, he stopped treating me like he did before, no romantic comments/advances, anything. Some work madness and stress, sure. I started dating another guy at the time. But for the time being, yes I was saved to continue to stay in the country. Also, for that year it was also a good deal financially (maybe no so career-wise). So yes that 14 definitely was auspicious.
 

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