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I asked a general question (well for me at least) - WILL ROMANCE COME INTO MY LIFE SOON?

I received, on the automated system. this response. And I have been trying to figure out what this line means, given Hilary's translation, as its broken, i see it as the changing line. Please correct me if i am wrong;)

The third line, divided, shows how of three men walking together, the number is diminished by one; and how one, walking, finds his friend

PRIMARY HEXAGRAM:

41. Sun / Decrease

______ (Red)
__ __ above Kên
__ __
__ __
______ below Tui
______ (Red)

There are three people in this party (?) don't know who the other two are. but i am just seeking a question on ANY new relationship that might enter my life. i see three, then 1 leaves? what does this mean?

RELATING HEXAGRAM:

7. Shih / The Army

__ __
__ __ above K'un
__ __
__ __
_____ below K'an
__ __


Thank you. I need some clarification to my question? should i have been more specific? I only wanted to see if this is something i can look forward to soon?

:bows::bows::bows:
 

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You don't have to worry about line 3 because line 3 is not moving if it wasn't red.

We would write the response you got this way:

41.1.6 > 7.

Primary hexagram is 41. Line one is moving. Line 6 is moving. The relating hex is 7.

The message to you is to reduce your angers and your desires. Our strongest desires always need reduction and the name of hexagram 41 is Reduction.

In line one you need to assess how much you would lose if you got involved with others. If you rushed into something, would that harm something else -- or harm your own interests in some way? This is a more profound line than it is commonly given credit for, and there's a learning curve involved.

In line six moving of hex 41, we have finally learned how to give to others without losing out ourselves. It is only then that we may approach others with confidence.

Your relating hex of 7 implies that you need to hold yourself together and always be focused on your true goals. Never let your emotions carry you away. Regard your feelings like troops that you need to keep under your own command!

I know that that's a pretty tall order in one reading, but there it is, Amy Luisa!

Oh, before I forget. With hexagram 41 there is almost always something that needs to be cleared up or cleared out of the way before you can even think of proceeding in that direction ...
 

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thank you Ginnie

What about the Relating Hexagram - The Army? does this indicate that I will have a romance with someone?

yes, i have been "hoping" to clear the way now, for quite sometime, so i can move into a new direction.

what do the three people mean?

anything about that?

please explain.....and thank you...so much.

i will delve into this further...but i still have those questions.

:bows::bows::rofl:
 

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What about the Relating Hexagram - The Army? does this indicate that I will have a romance with someone?

The meaning is more that we as individuals we need to develop good self-control in order to accomplish anything.

what do the three people mean?

Could be any three people. Maybe this is not related to your romantic situation, but to another situation with your family or at work. This may be the situation that needs to play itself out and get cleared up ...

Sometimes when three people are working together on something, things get very ugly as it becomes two against one. One of the three gets forced out. Could be a family matter, even.

So, knowing this might happen, sometimes it's better to avoid others and just go it alone. That is, set off alone, and you will find a good companion or helper.
 

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Yes ginnie

I HAVE TO RE LOOK AT THIS...I have always been alone, there has never been anyone,so maybe it means something else....

i am stumped....

thank you anyway.
 

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I HAVE TO RE LOOK AT THIS...I have always been alone, there has never been anyone,so maybe it means something else....

i am stumped....

thank you anyway.

Have you gotten line 41.3 recently in response to a question you asked? You did not get line 3 moving in the question you posted.

As for this line having you stumped, yes it had me stumped, too, but the reading was referring to something that had not happened to me yet ... People forget that Yi is ahead of us. Well ahead of us. :)
 

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And I have been trying to figure out what this line means, given Hilary's translation, as its broken, i see it as the changing line. Please correct me if i am wrong;)

The third line, divided, shows how of three men walking together, the number is diminished by one; and how one, walking, finds his friend

If you were given 41 changing to 7, then line 3 was not one of your moving lines and therefore you can disregard line 3 completely.

For the answer to our question, we only look to the lines that were moving lines, and in this case that means line one and line six, Amy Luisa.

But in case you received line 3 moving in response to a different question, I just thought of this: It could mean not to rely on two others you might be trusting to help you to resolve a situation.

But, as I say, you did not get this line this throw. For that reason you shouldn't pay attention to it, as line three has no bearing on the question you asked.

Do you have an I Ching book? Please read the text under hexagram 41. And how the hexagrams lines change and how we only consult what's written under the moving lines (the red lines) not the other lines. I know this can sometimes be confusing.

Personally, I still think the throw is more reliable when I use my hands and not a machine or device. However, I don't think in practice there's any difference, actually.

And now I need to leave this thread. It's Halloween here and I'm getting my costume ready ...
 
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thank you Ginnie

yes, i have to read up on this more.

Thank you for replying and helping me with this question.:bows:
 

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41.3

Six in the third place means:
When three people journey together,
Their number decreases by one.
When one man journeys alone,
He finds a companion.

Two's company; three's a crowd.
 

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I asked a general question (well for me at least) - WILL ROMANCE COME INTO MY LIFE SOON?

I received, on the automated system. this response. And I have been trying to figure out what this line means, given Hilary's translation, as its broken, i see it as the changing line. Please correct me if i am wrong;)

The third line, divided, shows how of three men walking together, the number is diminished by one; and how one, walking, finds his friend

PRIMARY HEXAGRAM:

41. Sun / Decrease

______ (Red)
__ __ above Kên
__ __
__ __
______ below Tui
______ (Red)

There are three people in this party (?) don't know who the other two are. but i am just seeking a question on ANY new relationship that might enter my life. i see three, then 1 leaves? what does this mean?

RELATING HEXAGRAM:

7. Shih / The Army

__ __
__ __ above K'un
__ __
__ __
_____ below K'an
__ __


Thank you. I need some clarification to my question? should i have been more specific? I only wanted to see if this is something i can look forward to soon?

:bows::bows::bows:

You are using some online internet site for reading?
I dont think that it has any meaning at all, online readings doe not mean anything.
Dont even think about or analise it. You must use stalks.
 

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Oh noooooooo

this is what i have been using this ENTIRE TIME I was on this site...ahhhhhhhh

no wonder...none of these readings ever manifested....

i thought it was ok since Hilary had this available. I guess i must use coins or stalks or something to get the hang of this...ahhhhh

so, i guess i must do this all over again.

:duh::duh::duh::duh::confused::confused::confused:

two is company, yes
three is a crowd.....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

"....My God, what have I done...?"
David Byrne, The Talking Heads....
 

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If you were given 41 changing to 7, then line 3 was not one of your moving lines and therefore you can disregard line 3 completely

HI Poccasin....i was advised NOT to look at this line....
 

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this is what i have been using this ENTIRE TIME I was on this site...ahhhhhhhh

no wonder...none of these readings ever manifested....

i thought it was ok since Hilary had this available. I guess i must use coins or stalks or something to get the hang of this...ahhhhh

so, i guess i must do this all over again.

:duh::duh::duh::duh::confused::confused::confused:

two is company, yes
three is a crowd.....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

"....My God, what have I done...?"
David Byrne, The Talking Heads....

this is just my opinion, maybe somebody find them good.
 

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have to start over then

i will get some coins then and read on how to cast.

and interpret..:confused::confused:
 

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this is what i have been using this ENTIRE TIME I was on this site...ahhhhhhhh

no wonder...none of these readings ever manifested....

i thought it was ok since Hilary had this available. I guess i must use coins or stalks or something to get the hang of this...ahhhhh

so, i guess i must do this all over again.

:duh::duh::duh::duh::confused::confused::confused:

two is company, yes
three is a crowd.....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

"....My God, what have I done...?"
David Byrne, The Talking Heads....

you didn't get 41.3 Ginnie already said you must have gotten 41.1.6 to have 7 as a relating hexagram.

Its really not that difficult to figure how to toss coins and what makes a broken lines etc. I'm wondering why you don't visit the learn section of the site or get a book :confused:

will save you much time in the end since it seems in most of your threads you don't know what answer you got. No point in spending time thinking what the answer means if you don't know what the answer is.


Many people use the online casting system and find it perfectly okay. I'm not one of them and prefer to use coins but it is a matter of preference. I don't think many people use stalks. You can also use beads


Do you have an I Ching book ? Seems like for months now you have been getting totally confused by the online tool...
 
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thanks Trojan

That is true...very true...what you say has a certain ring of truth to it.

i have to do that...i guess all the readings were for not then.

thank you for coming over to my thread - missed your responses. hope you are well on this Halloween day.

Bella luna my friend.

;)
 

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Hilary said she got the same answer using the online tool as she did manual casting...for the same question

I have found the opposite

When I asked same question using the online tool then the coins I got completely different answers every time


One problem with this tool I've noticed others have with it is they swear they got a relating hexagram they couldn't possibly have got with the moving lines they claim to have. When I've argued with them they insist that is what they saw, ie they'll say things like 'i got 2.6>12' and i say 'you can't have that would be 2.4.5.6>12' and they say 'nope i definately saw these hexagrams, my reading was 2.6>12 !!'

Sometimes I wonder if perhaps it is an error with the online casting tool and not a mistake of the querants ? But that doesn't seem likley.

I think if people have only ever used the tool and never figure how to cast a hexagram they risk being totally lost anyway
 
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Thanks for the link.No, I haven't been there before, but then I've been to places no one else goes to. Amy asked me about the three people, and I responded to that without reading anything else.



here ? you mean locked rooms ? cellars ? basements ? attics ? bottomless pits ? I hope you don't get lost

the mind boggles :rofl:
 
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here ? you mean locked rooms ? cellars ? basements ? attics ? bottomless pits ? I hope you don't get lost

the mind boggles :rofl:

I'm into Roman divination and today I found out how to lay out an auguraculum and make observations in its templum. No one at Clarity seems to have been there. Hope I can use it for Amy.
 

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pocossin..thank you...i guess i got lost

i should not use this automated tool anymore.....

no wonder why all of those readings did not come out....they were never read correctly.

what a waste of a tank of gas though.

but i have some notion now, so i will get coins and toss them. maybe through that way, i can ask my personal questions and look up their meaning.

thank you for replying to my thread.

I will toss again as this was not a good reading nor a correct one.

:confused::confused::confused:
 

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a simple way to cast a hexagram with three coins

Only the odd numbers count:

3H = changing yang (H is heads)
3T = changing yin (T is tails)
1H = unchanging yang
1T = unchanging yin

lines are listed from the bottom upward:

6.
5.
4.
3.
2.
1.

The first throw of the coins makes line 1, the second line 2, and so on. For example, six throws might give

6. H
5. T
4. 3T
3. H
2. T
1. T

Now the hard part begins. You need to identify the hexagram and what it changes to. To the right of each H draw a yang line, and a yin line for each T. If a line changes, put a > to the right of the line. Then look up the hexagram in a hexagram table. Usually this is done by trigrams, so you'll need to become familiar with trigrams. Complete the second hexagram to the right of the first by changing the changing lines from yin to yang or yang to yin.

The above casting is hexagram 52 with a changing line in the 4th place. When the line changes, we have hexagram 56. We record this as 52.4 > 56. That's all there is to it.

(I hope Trojan will proofread this.)
 

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You are using some online internet site for reading?
I dont think that it has any meaning at all, online readings doe not mean anything.
Dont even think about or analise it. You must use stalks.

I strongly disagree with this assessment. I've been casting IC since the late 80s, mostly on a simple computerized "instant" casting program, more recently at an on-line site that takes a bit more time. I also worked extensively in Runes and Tarot for many years, and am well acquainted with complex casting processes. Nevertheless, I find little benefit in the time a manual IC casting takes, as one must see the entire hexagram before beginning an interpretation. This strongly contrasts with the European systems, whereby one shapes an interpretation in the course of casting, then reviews the spread in its entirety. The interpretive processes are quite different.

My current preferred casting site is: http://ichingonline.net/ This site also sorts out which changing line to observe according to classical rules, which is very helpful.

If there's a weakness at this site, it's in the interpretations offered, which tend toward the sledge-hammer end of the spectrum. Ignore these (which is rather like saying "Don't think of paisley elephants.") At the bottom of each page is a link to a Wilhelm translation, which is generally much more helpful.

That being said, Amy Luisa, if you take Pocossin's reconstruction as accurate (and I do), 52.4 says, according to Anthony,
The presence of fear, doubt, or desire causes unrest. Desire is a form of fear that we may not achieve our goal. We hardly ever desire what we are sure of having, and often desire what we think we cannot have. Thus, desire contains both doubt and envy. In letting go of these feelings we bring the heart of rest and attain a higher level of tranquility.

I am apparently the only one here who's partial to Carol Anthony, but I find her to be excellent in interpreting relationship issues.
 

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relationship issues

wow do i have MANY OF THOSE..

Thank you a million times...whoever read my post(s) and helped me.

i am still "Lost" and need to learn how to do this myself. everyone here has been so kind and thoughtful - i am greatful.

Namaste
:bows:
 

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YES, I KNOW THIS SITE Elias...i also use it and read the texts on it as well. the photographs are INCREDIBLE!
 

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Hey elias check this out....

I WENT to the I Ching Online website and asked this question"

How will the rest of the year be for me as far as romance is concerned?

I received this casting...

HEXAGRAM 31 - Attraction
There are Two Changing Lines
An Old Yin for line two
An Old Yang for line five
The Old Yin prevails
Hexagram 31 - Line two (is the one i should be looking at - correct?)

TRANSFORMED HEXAGRAM TO 32/Heng - Durability

Upper Triagram is the Lake
Lower Triagram is the Mountain

I think i might have a love come into my life....
am i reading this correctly.?

please advise...anyone.

:confused:
 

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