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The merry goes round and round... . Does Hexagram 49 "Viva la Revolution" mean the tables have been upturned and the tides of change are at hand?
Here's the situation -
I've been attracted to someone in a higher position than me at work for almost two years. Some of you may have helped me sort this out in previous posts. The tension/attraction dynamic between us has been "noticed" by other coworkers, etc. BUT two weeks ago, he found out I was 7 years older, and now I sense he is distancing himself from me. Now the talk is about our age difference and I sense he has distanced himself from me as a result. I am devastated and am in my cave trying to sort it all out while understanding there is learning here. From my limited vantage point, I read 49.3 as the point of confusion, which is where I am right now.As W/B puts it - "When talk of change has come to one's ears 3X, ...he will believe.But then 49.4 gives me hope that we will rise from the occasion better for knowing the truth (my age) from the situation and 49.5 "the great man changes like a tiger/even before he questions the oracle/he will be believed".Does this mean the truth will set me free? Karcher says of this line that it is a time of great abundance.
Lastly - I would welcome feedback on the resulting Hex 24 Inner Truth. Of course, I would like us to be able to transcend the age factor and live happily ever after.
 

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What was the question ? Seven years is hardly a huge age gap. If he had to be told about it before noticing it you obviously don't look much older than him.
 

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What was the question ? Seven years is hardly a huge age gap. If he had to be told about it before noticing it you obviously don't look much older than him.

It's true - I believe I look younger than him. But for a guy, 7 years is a big gap. If the tables were reversed, it would NOT be an issue, at least for me.
My question was "It is advisable to hope for a future with David?
 

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49.3.4.5>24 "It is advisable to hope for a future with David?

All 3 lines suggest that you have confidence to bring about the changes in him that you desire, and Hex 24 is saying that after a period of confusion, your affair will start to get better, so have patience and don't try to force the issue.
 

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It's interesting. I welcome receiving Hex. 49 because things between us were stagnant. We were not communicating. I was overpowered with feelings of amour and god knows where he was at. Now with the tables turned, things should change. Communication needs to open up so change can happen. I welcome it. It's now up to him to accept, or not, our age difference so we can move on - or get it on!
 

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49.3.4.5>24

"Shedding the skin of the present situation and getting back to a new beginning, to where you belong."

I don't see anything in this that will help you, because I see two entirely different possible meanings:

1 He's a bit flakey. Any man who loses interest in a woman because of an age difference he hadn't noticed previously is a bit of a jerk. What? A tiny piece of information that you weren't perceptive enough to notice before or which is so non-evident that it isn't possible to pick up on it, is now so important as to jeopardize an entire relationship? Idiot. So the meaning here would be: 'Shake this guy off the way an animal moults, and get back to square one where you belong. It's way better.'

2 'He will shed this idiocy the way an animal moults and get back to square one with you which is where you both belong.'

Lines 3, 4 and 5 can easily be worked into either of these scenarios - they're all more or less auspicious - and can easily apply to either meaning.

Sorry I couldn't see things any more clearly than that. Just a couple of alternatives, is all.
 

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49.3.4.5>24

"Shedding the skin of the present situation and getting back to a new beginning, to where you belong."

It is possible this could mean my taking ownership with my age in order to "get back to ...where I belong - to not hide from the truth. I have not been able to disclose my age at work and don't feel it's particularly relevant. Until now. The truth has come out.

I don't see anything in this that will help you, because I see two entirely different possible meanings:

1 He's a bit flakey. Any man who loses interest in a woman because of an age difference he hadn't noticed previously is a bit of a jerk. What? A tiny piece of information that you weren't perceptive enough to notice before or which is so non-evident that it isn't possible to pick up on it, is now so important as to jeopardize an entire relationship? Idiot. So the meaning here would be: 'Shake this guy off the way an animal moults, and get back to square one where you belong. It's way better.'

2 'He will shed this idiocy the way an animal moults and get back to square one with you which is where you both belong.'

Wow - I love your position that age should not be a factor.
So you are saying there are two things that could happen - he may rise to the occasion and not let it come between us and step up to the plate, or he may let it come between us in which case I should just let him go and get back to where I belong. The ball is now in his court. It's a lesson on letting go of ego attachment to things one cannot change. Either way, I will let go and get on with my life. (That's my head talking. Now if only my heart would follow...!)
 

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Well, a bigger issue in this may be that there's been chemistry between you for two years but nothing's happened. Maybe the age issue is just an excuse for a more serious inability to act on feelings of attraction. If I were a woman, I'd want a man who knew how to DO something about it.
 

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Thanks to Willow Fox and Dobro - two voices here I respect IMMENSELY. Two years is a long time, but there is complexity in that it IS a workplace attraction which makes it a challenge. There's a risk here for a multitude of reasons. But we had a breakthrough in January when we had a staff party to open up and be together... and it worked to a point, but I buckled when we took our reverie to another venue. I ignored him partly out of shyness and also because of my INTENSE feelings for him! So I went to see him at work two days later to open up to him and he snubbed me! We've been batting zero with each other but the attraction is still there. I am hoping WillowFox' reading will hold true and that we can put our obstacles behind us and connect in the future.
 

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49 and age diference?

that' funny: Just woke up and asked a question that was making circles in my head all night since I found out that the guy all signs point to is 26 (I am 31), not to mention unavailable in a major way (not in psychic ways though . .)
Anyway, my question was: "Tell me something I need to know about him being younger than me?" and got 49.4.5 to 36 . .:eek:
So what is it with 49 and age difference?
Did more people get it for similar questions? Is there an inherent trait of age difference in 49 (particularly lines 4 and 5?)

On a second thought:
Ok I see the change over time (changing skin) as sth that is linked to age, maturing, and re-invigoration thru the passage of time (even though common sense seems to think that passing brings aging rather than renewal), but I would love to hear your opinion on that . . .

oh and to make myself clear:
I have no prejudices against age but I do see the very pragmatic problems it might bring forth, and I know that a guy in his 20s is probably more into exploring relationships thru expansion (trying different partners, approaches) exactly as I did at the time, whereas a woman in her 30s is more into exploration thru refinement . .

So, I'm all ears if you have anything to add (Petrosianii you might be interested in that!!;))

p.s.: I guess this is not so much about the meaning of the particular reading, but perhaps more about a more general meaning of 49 and the ideas implicated in the snake's skin changes (ha! just remembered: I am a snake in chinese signs :duh:)

So, I'm shutting my mouth and harkening for your thoughts . . . :bows:

rodaki
 

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#49,#24 very difficult for me as well

wow, Rodaki! You are facing a similar situation as I am! And btw, I really did appreciate your comments on my situation with dating an older woman. Since posting that thread, I have gained a peace about Barbara and me that I've never had. You had a hand in that, so cheers to you .. :)

As for your situation ... very, very difficult, to me. Both hexagrams #49 and #24 have always been difficult for me to understand and apply to my situation. They seem to be quite deep, almost obscure at times.

Plus, the fact that you received 49 with so much change, only makes it more complicated, in my opinion. I can't say that I could give much insight into your reading.

However, I will say that I received this same hexgram, on more than one occasion, in response to questions about my relationship with Barbara (as you can imagine, I've consulted the oracle on just about ever facet of my dating an older woman that you can think of!)

On 5/14/07 and 5/18/07 I received this hexagram on the relationship question. The two lines of the text which stood out to me were the following:

1.
"There is some possibility here of conflicting interests, or perhaps an aggressive attempt to control the relationship."

At the time,I took this as referring to Barbara, because I felt she was trying to manipulate me into committing faster than I was ready to commit. However, as with every conflict, I had a part, and she had a part. Looking back, I was probably controlling, too, just in a more passive-aggressive manner.

2.
"You may be in the midst of a revolutionary change in your overall point of view [presumably, about the relationship in question]."

In 2007, when I read this line, I wrote the word 'Yes!' out in the left-hand margin. In fact, at the time Barbara and I started dating, I was undergoing intensive, weekly psychoanalysis. My therapist was unhinging my soul, unlocking old patterns of thinking, hidden emotional complexes, self-defeating belief patterns, and it was an extremely grueling experience, psychologically. (i.e., I had a good therapist. :rant:)

But the problem with this, for our relationship, was exactly that: I was in the midst of a "revolutionary change" in many of my deeply cherised, long-held point of views. So naturally, this caused me to be unable to commit fully to Barbara. (Barbara actually told me later that psychotherapy often generates conflicts and distance in relationships).

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Now, as for #24, I received this hexagram on 5/23/07 in response to a question about Barbara and me. The line of text that registered in my intuition then was this one:

"The time of RETURNING can also indicate a new beginning through a fresh approach to important relationships. If such is the case, treat this time very carefully. You must now be aware of what to expect from relationships that do not start out on the proper footing (emphasis mine)."

As soon as I read that last sentence, it was like a light bulb went off in my heart. (Albeit an unpleasant, unpalatable light bulb!!) I knew immediately that the conflict and discord between Barbara and me wasn't due so much to any incompatibility between the two of us. Rather, the main reason we couldn't consummate the relationship was because the cosmic timing just couldn't support it; it was because our relationship "didn't start off on the proper footing."

:hug:

"Now, this may sting a little bit..."
--your family physician
 

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Phhhew!!
It is a tough one isn't it? But then again no good comes easily ;)

Of course I must admit here, my case is 'foggier' than yours since nothing is in the open, all there is is really strong undercurrents and i-ching's overall positive view of the matter. As you said, I've asked questions covering a wiiiide area of concerns on it and I have gotten encouraging answers (50 as the essence of our connection, 55 to 30 as a final outcome if I manage the 'firm and correct' attitude-which appears VERY often- 13.3 if I try to forget and leave it all behind etc) but because there are real obstacles in this story actually materializing (as Diamanda kindly pointed out in the other thread on 49 and age difference) I feel a bit reluctant to buy into the 'happy ending' scenario . .

By the way, what i got was 49.4,5 to 36 (not 24) and 36, tending the inner light, is exactly what I intend to do for now. It looks like I have to prepare myself for major transformation (either going towards that person or coming out of my confrontation with this particular situation in my life) and there is a lot of brewing i have to tend to, which sounds scary and exciting at once :D

It was a real pleasure conversing your 'philosophical' questions and I'm glad i could be of help -do let us know how things turn out finally!!

ciao for now, :bows:

rodaki
 

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