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When I received this answer from yi my first impression was "OH!" with fear...
I asked yi to show me if I'll have a relationship in the near future..

Hexagram 51 changing lines 1,2,3 to hexagram 32.. A lot of shocks to endurance..
I'm really scared about what is coming in my life, especially with line 2 and 3.. Any ideas?
 

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Hi nAstWr,

51.1.2.3 > 32
The answer is not that great, but it's also not terribly bad.

I don't know if you'll have a relationship in the near future or not.
What is certain, is that you will have a strong shock, which you can't even think of at the moment.
Don't try to guess, it's impossible.

51.1 - at first you'll think it's nothing serious and you'll laugh it off.
51.2 - then you'll lose something - but again you'll think it's nothing serious and you'll get it back.
51.3 - finally it will be obvious that it is very serious, and you'll need to take serious action.
32 - whatever you lose (51.2) will be lost forever (32). BUT, you will survive (32).

My comments on the above hexs and lines come directly from my personal experience with this same cast.
My question was about my professional life, and I got this answer.
The shock I got was unrelated to my professional life.
It basically meant, "nevermind your professional life right now, there will be this other issue".
Whatever it turns out to be, don't worry, the outcome will eventually be alright.
 
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And yes.... I am so worried now! Im trying to guess..
I am thinking of health problems.. death.. the worst...
shocks from my ex... till the shock of love..
could be the shock of love? Sth that makes you laugh line 1.. a shock of love till you feel that you have lost yourself line 2.. a shock of love that change your life and makes you act in a relationship line 3?
Wish I could be prepared :(
 
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I am looking the answers I have received a couple of days ago.
I had asked "what should I do so as to stop my adversity"

hexagram 54 changing line 2 to hexagram 51.

Indeed yi is preparing me for a shock...
 

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I am thinking of health problems.. death.. the worst...
No way! It's definitely not that. Resulting hexagram is 32, whatever it is you'll survive.

could be the shock of love? Sth that makes you laugh line 1.. a shock of love till you feel that you have lost yourself line 2.. a shock of love that change your life and makes you act in a relationship line 3?
You're getting better and better at interpreting :) this could definitely be a possibility.
Yi casts can be translated in so many different ways - the shock of love is one possibility.
And with 32 as resulting, maybe we should all be preparing our best outfits for the wedding..? ;)

what should I do so as to stop my adversity 54.2 > 51
Hmm.. you can't stop adversity. 51 is a shock which comes from something exterior to you.
Someone/something else causes it to you. And we just can't control how others behave to us.
The best you can do is take the advice of 51:
Keep your cool. Don't drop the spoon and chalice. Examine your self and set your life in order.
 
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"You're getting better and better at interpreting this could definitely be a possibility.
Yi casts can be translated in so many different ways - the shock of love is one possibility.
And with 32 as resulting, maybe we should all be preparing our best outfits for the wedding..? "

Thank you for the compliment diamanda but I am not so optimistic about the answer with the shocks. Of course I would be incredible happy If I could have this kind of love but I believe yi is referred to my ex.. I had a similar answer from yi on my post here: https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?24269-worries-17-lt-3-4-gt-63-and-3-lt-4-gt-17
post #5
"Do you see in the future to have relationship with x?" 51 <2,4,5> 60
So I believe the shock will be from my ex.. and as you wrote me.. "whatever you lose (51.2) will be lost forever (32). "
I guess my ex...

Let's see..
Thank you so much for the advice about hex 51.. I will try to prepare myself and stay "cool"
Thank you soooo much!!!
 
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I couldn't help asking.

Will be the shock from my ex?
34 <5> 43
I really don't understand the line.
Perhaps I should stop asking and leave the situation.

What kind of shock from my ex?
5 <3> 60
Waiting with anxiety.. the enemy is coming :(
Limitation
Is it an advice from yi to protect my self and relax?
 

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Yes I know how you feel about this.
I've certainly also asked in the past "what is that shock" etc etc - never got me anywhere.

Life has a shock lined up for you.
Divination won't tell you what it is, otherwise it wouldn't be called a shock!
I won't even attempt to interpret casts asking about the nature of a shock, I really believe it's impossible.
 
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I think the first shock already came. I checked my ex's profile on facebook and he declares "single"
Then I asked some questions:
Will he have a new relationship with another woman soon? 19 <4> 54
I believe this is yes. I already feel broken.
 

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Gosh, nAstWr, 51.1.2.3 > 32 doesn't seem necessarily worrisome to me. After all, line 1 says, "good fortune". Line 2 says "on the seventh day, gain" and line 3 "revives, revives and moves without blunder."

Perhaps the advise in line 2 is especially important, i.e., "don't give chase". All of your questions about your ex and worry about the future feel like "chasing" to me. And Yi seems to be advising you to stop doing that. I think perhaps the "danger" for you is that it is difficult for you at this time to give up "chasing" because you are in so much pain, you want it to end. Am I right in hearing that you think a "relationship" will end the pain? Don't relationships bring challenges in addition to pleasures?

What can you do to "set things in order" in your life?

My sense of the reading is that you have some work to do before the relationship will come. The shock of your ex not looking for a reunion with you may be pulling you off balance. Instead of Yi saying "no" or "yes" about you having a relationship in your life soon I hear Yi answering something like this: "You have had a Shock with the loss of what you were hoping for with your ex. If you want a relationship, stop chasing after one. You have a lot of fear and terror about this relationship thing but you can have good fortune and things will be better if you "don't lose the sacred ladle and libation." Instead of "losing it", find some laughter in your life and revive yourself. Be COMMITTED (hex 32) to change."

Does any of that resonate with you?

What can you do to feel ready for anything?
How can you change from chasing after some type of committed relationship and make a commitment to YOURSELF?
 

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And one more thought...

You ask Yi, "Show me if I'll have a relationship in the near future."
Yi says, "Stir things up and have a good relationship with YOURSELF! Stop torturing yourself with all of this fret and fear. Set things in order and be watchful."

I think you are correct, nAstWr, in seeing the shock as being related to your ex. I hear what Diamanda says about her experience of this same line as being a shock she had no idea was coming. It will be interesting to see if that is true in your case. But this may be a variation on that cast. It may be the "shock" with your ex has already happened and you are still at line 1 with the fear and terror and haven't made it to the point of laughing and recognizing the good fortune.

What if it is a good thing that your ex is gone? IF it were good, what would be good about it? I bet you can find some things to be grateful for in the situation.

Be prepared for the "seventh day gain."
What can you do to revive yourself?
 
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jumpingmouse you have a very interesting point of view. Actually, you are so right.

"51.1.2.3 > 32 doesn't seem necessarily worrisome to me. After all, line 1 says, "good fortune". Line 2 says "on the seventh day, gain" and line 3 "revives, revives and moves without blunder."
- I haven't thought of this interpretation! Interesting... It makes sense... I really wish you are correct!
I have first to overcome the shock of the breakup with my ex.

"revives, revives and moves without blunder"
-perhaps it shows that I will find the courage to move on after all and endure (32) such pain...

I wish I could turn off my feelings.
 

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Alas, sometimes it is difficult to help our feelings. They are what they are. Perhaps we can develop some will to change feelings.
"Enduring" sounds good.
 

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Alas, sometimes it is difficult to help our feelings. They are what they are. Perhaps we can develop some will to change feelings.
"Enduring" sounds good.
We can't control our feelings. But we can control our actions.
This is my motto in very dire situations.

nAstWr - you can't turn off the shock and your feelings for your ex, but try to do something nice.
Cook your favourite food, look after yourself, go out with friends or something :)
 
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I can't turn off the shock and my feelings unfortunately.

I bear in mind:
" Use no medicine in an illness incurred through no fault of your own. It will pass of itself. "

My favorite line.
 
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I would like to share one more cast as I have received the same answer.
I asked: Will we manage to be together again with my ex? 51 <1,2,3> 32
Any ideas please why I have received the same answer?? Yi is trying to tell me sth.
Shock and I will lose him forever..?

And yes.. ex contacted me.. Nothing more of course. I was so careful with him as he was blamed me for one more time.
You were right diamanda one more cycle.... Just the same :(
 

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It is clear that you are hoping to be re-united with your ex. Does your ex KNOW that you want to be re-united? If so, how does your ex feel about that? Has he you any reason to hope? What does his contacting you mean? Does he also have some hope of being re-united?

It does seem that Yi wants you to understand 51.1.2.3 > 32. You are in a better position to come to understand it than any of us. I could see it going either way. I could say it being a "No. you won't be re-united. Endure the Shock" or I could see it saying "Yes. There is a shock and then "lasting" of the relationship." The advise does seem to be about not chasing after it. What we don't know is what the "gain" on the "seventh day" is going to be. Is it going to be that the relationship returns or that you move on to something better? Perhaps Yi doesn't know whether or not you will be reunited because that depends on actions on your part as well as the part of the equation you have no control over, i.e., your ex's part of the equation. If 51.1.2.3 > 32 was advising you WHAT to do instead of "yes" or "no", what do you think it could be telling you? The hint of a warning in the lines to me is the word "danger". What is the "danger" in the situation?

What about Diamanda's idea that the shock may be something completely different --- that you keep asking about the relationship but that perhaps there will be a shock in some other area of your life? Is there something other than this relationship in your life that needs your attention?
 

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I really like Diamanda's idea that you do something nice for yourself, to "revive" as in line 3 of 51.
Reviving yourself by doing something nice for yourself would be 'moving without blunder".

To me the advise of 51 is as follows:
line 1 this is good fortune, not bad, move with the change.
line 2 don't chase after "it"
line 3 Let the "shock" move you to do something nice for yourself

You are in pain and shock, but you will survive and perhaps even laugh about it at some point
I know you cannot force your feelings to change. You can endure the pain and move through it.
But what if you "fake it until you make it"? i.e., do something nice for yourself even if it doesn't feel happy to do so yet
 
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'To me the advise of 51 is as follows:
line 1 this is good fortune, not bad, move with the change.
line 2 don't chase after "it"
line 3 Let the "shock" move you to do something nice for yourself'

-Jumping mouse I feel that you are absolutely right. This interpretation I feel correct. Moreover, after this answer I asked yi in order to confirm: We would be never together with my ex correct? 63 <2> 5. The thing is I have received the same answer for the same question several times.. The truth is that ask repeatedly because I can't interpret (I am a beginner) so I ask several times in order to be able to understand and interpret correctly. The line 2 has confused me a lot. It pictures a woman that she has lost her veil and she must not chase it... the same as line 2 of hexagram 51."gain after 7 days". I am so confused, I don't expect sth to change with my ex but deep inside me I would like so much one more chance together and I am wondering what will be the 'gain'? He will come back to me? A new relationship for me? It's sad. Anyway I asked for clarification for the line 2 of 63 and I got 13 <2> 1 which makes me feel more confused. Contemplating the answers I have already received asking for reconciliation I feel the situation is hopeless (but I am a beginner).
Yes it is obvious that I still hope for a reunion but deep inside me I know the truth. We will never be together again. We had our chance and we lost it. It was not fair though. I just need time to accept it and time will heal me and I will stop asking about us.

Thank you so much for the support.
 

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I understand the need to ask a lot as a beginner. I also do this.

I have a sense that what you have lost is your serenity and sense of wholeness. Instead of helping you to feel complete and loved, this relationship and the break up has you feeling off balance. I think "on the seventh day, gain" is Yi's reassurance that you will get your own sense of self and worthiness to be loved back and perhaps even on a deeper level than you have ever experienced it. Perhaps Hex 51 is indicating that you will be shocked into awareness of your own wholeness. That will be a better starting place for finding the type of relationship you want than in this place of grief you find yourself in now.

Thank you for sharing your readings and understandings with us.
 

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51 > 32
A long Lasting state of Shock.
That's what you are in.
The lines tell you how to get out of it.

line 1-Stay calm, you'll laugh about this later.
line 2-Don't go chasing after your dignity or serenity, that is how you lose it.
line 3- you have a real choice here:
you can be distressed or you can allow the energy of the situation to move you and take some positive action. It is your choice.

No disrespect intended:
It may feel like you are flailing in an abyss,
but it's really only a kiddie pool.
 
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Thank you Moss Elk. I really appreciate your help. Thank you all so much.
I am really scared with the hexagram 51 -shock but I really hope that is an advice from yi to endure the shocks and find myself.

After our last posts here I asked:
Should I stop asking about me and my ex?
hexagram 54 <2,5> 17
The answer confused me a lot. Line 2 my loneliness. Line 5 a marriage?? Who is going to have a relationship..? A new relationship for me? or my ex? Or maybe together? I am sooo confused..

I asked yi for clarification: What do you mean? 58 <6>10
'Legge: The sixth line, magnetic, shows the pleasure of its subject in leading and attracting others. '
Still no idea...

Will my ex have a new relationship?: 1 <3,6> 58
I think I have overdone it here with my insecurities about my ex and yi scolds me

Yi I'm really confused about me and my ex:
Hexagram 17 uc
Ok... That means like "to be continued" thank you yi I have no clue what you mean :(
 

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nAstWr, if you are hoping that hexagram 51 is advise to endure the shocks and find yourself --- why not proceed as if that is what Yi means, in other words, take it as your interpretation and see where it leads?

I like Moss Elk's interpretation. Why not take that as advice and see where it leads/

Perhaps we grow in our understanding of the I Ching if we decide on an interpretation and then see how things play out. We know whether or not our interpretation was correct when things play out and our understanding grows. That is how it happens for me. As Diamanda said earlier, you may not know and understand it completely or be able to control it. I ask the I Ching because I am hoping to become a "noble one" by doing my best to follow the advise to the best of my understanding. What I find is that when I don't understand I do whatever it is I do and that whatever happens happens and then the understanding comes. "Oh. That is what Yi meant." Or sometimes I feel like, "Why couldn't I do what Yi advised?"

It takes as long as it takes. Try to feel patient with yourself. At this point I am not sure that more questions are going to bring clarity. I think living your questions will bring clarity.
 

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I am really scared with the hexagram 51 -shock but I really hope that is an advice from yi to endure the shocks and find myself.
I've dipped in and out of this thread and held back but, I just don't think I can go on seeing you think there is a reason to be scared because of hexagram 51. Have you read what it says ? From wikiwing, Hilary's translation

'Shock, creating success.
Shock comes, fear and terror.
Laughing words, shrieking and yelling.
The shock spreads fear for a hundred miles.
Someone does not lose the sacred ladle and libation.'
These words describe a reaction of :eek: and then :rofl: Note the first line 'creating success', note the important thing is not to lose the sacred ladle, that which is you keeping to your path, not being thrown off course by the twists and turns of fate. So what Yi is advising here is the precise opposite of how you interpret this. It really is not saying "OMG you need to be really scared"

I've been consulting for 40 odd years and cannot recall one occasion where 51 indicated anything to be scared of at all ! No doubt at times it might indicate some great outer shock but I've not seen it myself. It is often, as the words say, your reaction. We can react with great shock to all sorts of small things others won't even notice....if the shower head falls on my head one more time I think I will die of shock :rolleyes: anyway every time the shower head attachment crashes to the floor my body reacts as if a lion were pursuing me. That's the human flight/fight response. But mainly for me 51 shows emotional reverberations, shock within me...not some massive thunderbolt from out of the blue. As I think I relate in the 51uc thread I once did a reading for a lady who was scared stiff about her heart and was having some tests. She cast 51 uc about it and I thought the shock was her whole reaction to it rather than there being anything wrong and sure enough her heart was found to be fine. Yes she was having palpitations and so on which felt shocking...but there was nothing actually wrong, she was just feeling that fear, palpitations can feel worrying. The image that seemed to help her most during all this was holding on to her ladle, well she saw it as a golden bowl.

After our last posts here I asked:
Should I stop asking about me and my ex?
hexagram 54 <2,5> 17
The answer confused me a lot. Line 2 my loneliness. Line 5 a marriage?? Who is going to have a relationship..? A new relationship for me? or my ex? Or maybe together? I am sooo confused..
I think you are taking this too literally and also use the answers you get only to freak yourself out, which isn't helpful to you. My advice would be to stop consulting about your ex yes and rather look and see what he himself is saying and doing. What he says to you will end the confusion surely. However it's not realistic for me just to say 'stop asking', you will keep asking, but bear in mind often we keep asking in order to keep the relationship alive, to allay anxiety, almost as a way of coming to terms with things. I think that's quite natural, part of the process of processing it all but please don't use your answers to scare yourself.


Yi I'm really confused about me and my ex:
Hexagram 17 uc
Ok... That means like "to be continued" thank you yi I have no clue what you mean :(
Are you confused ? Why ? What has he said or done to make you confused ? You need to look at what he is actually saying and doing rather than try to have a relationship with him via Yi. I don't think 17 means 'to be continued' it's more like advice here to follow the flow of things, like when it's dark rest, when someone stops talking to you do your own thing, if it's hot have a cold drink, if your feet hurt sit down...odd examples, must be the effect of the shower head hitting me on the head......but the idea is you can let things carry you naturally now and your impulses can effortlessly guide you there.
 
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When I received this answer from yi my first impression was "OH!" with fear...
I asked yi to show me if I'll have a relationship in the near future..

Hexagram 51 changing lines 1,2,3 to hexagram 32.. A lot of shocks to endurance..
I'm really scared about what is coming in my life, especially with line 2 and 3.. Any ideas?
So this was initially a question of if you will have a relationship soon and you thought this was frightening ? Have you read the lines ? I could paste them in from wikiwing but if you read them there is a heck of a lot more there than 'be scared'.

I think this whole answer is about staying calm and steady (32) in the face of emotional turmoil (51 and lines). This answer is asking you to take a breath, calm yourself (51.1) accept breaks in relationships and allow them to happen without worrying since the loss of one thing in time may lead to something better (51.2) 51.3 asks you to also move, don't sit and fester, get going, use your energy , find invigoration in things. 32 here is lovely, you can continue to be where you are, on your life path, going along safe and sound....(and no your safety does not depend on him nor anyone else). Ride it out.....it's really not that bad as others have said.
 
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Really, I have no words enough to thank you all for your support.

Trojina, thank you so much that you devoted time to answer on my post. I'm really grateful.
I understand what you mean. I really wish all the shock is just inside me (my fear that my ex will hurt me more) and nothing bad is going to happen. I am so vulnerable. My only fear is that he will make a new relationship while I haven't moved on.
I asked if he- my ex- will hurt me more: 28 <5> 32. Of course I am not sure for the interpretation for one more time. 'An older woman takes a husband. No blame, no praise' but one more time hex 32 as resulting hexagram. I see, there is a relationship depicted. An older woman with a younger husband. Perhaps his new relationship but I will endure.

I wish I could just turn off my feelings.
 

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I wondered if you had ever written out the whole story here ? I looked and found this thread https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?24269-worries-17-lt-3-4-gt-63-and-3-lt-4-gt-17 which goes into some depth although it is hard to make out the sequence of events at times.

The reason I ask if you have told us the whole story is it's quite hard to place your worries re your ex in any kind of context. I also wondered if writing it all out, what actually happened, might even help you ?

Sounds like from what I read here you didn't finish in a considered way you and he just had a fight, another fight, one of many and then he became your ex ? I'm just trying to gauge how 'officially' ex he is. A lot of the problem seems to be he is an ex who isn't an ex.

I asked if he- my ex- will hurt me more: 28 <5> 32.
Well exes in general can hurt you simply by moving on and a strategy a lot of people would use is just not to look too closely, get distance. I can't interpret the answer because the question...well I've nothing against yes/no questions but here you've asked one and I can't boil down 28.5 to a yes or a no in this instance and also you being hurt is a subjective thing you do have some control over.

If you wrote the history of the relationship, from when it started until now I think it might
a. help you get a perspective
b. help us get a perspective

There's lots of good advice on the thread already so I've not much to add other than I do wonder how your ex came to be your ex, was it clearly stated...or did he just leave without saying much. Also, Yi aside, when you write what happened down it's likely going to be much clearer to you as to why this ended. 99.9% of the time exes become exes for very good reasons. Also it can help you see patterns of whether he was abusive to you or you to him and so on............No pressure I just kept getting the idea it might help the situation to write it all down like a story, a story of what happened. All I really get right now is you rowed and he's an ex but you desperately want him back but that might be the tip of the iceberg, what was behind all that ? It might help to consider that. Also writing is therapeutic
 

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I have the same question(s) Trojina has asked. How officially "ex" is your "ex"?

It isn't even clear to me what level of commit there has been an exit from. Were you married and then divorced? Or was it an unmarried relationship that ended? I don't really need to know the answers. But I am wondering if Trojina's suggestion to have a discussion with HIM instead of with Yi ABOUT him is in order. Of course, if he has expressed that he does not want you to communicate with him that is another thing. But you mentioned that he had contacted you.

You mentioned that changing line of Hexagram 16 that mentions using no medicine in an illness that will pass of its own. That does seem to apply here in a way. I believe the pain you are feeling will eventually pass. It does not seem that asking Yi questions about your ex is helping the pain to pass. Perhaps writing, as Trojina, may be therapeutic and help the "illness to pass" a bit quicker. In my experience, it takes as long as it takes to move through feelings.
 

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I have the same question(s) Trojina has asked. How officially "ex" is your "ex"?

It isn't even clear to me what level of commit there has been an exit from. Were you married and then divorced? Or was it an unmarried relationship that ended? I don't really need to know the answers. But I am wondering if Trojina's suggestion to have a discussion with HIM instead of with Yi ABOUT him is in order. Of course, if he has expressed that he does not want you to communicate with him that is another thing. But you mentioned that he had contacted you.
the "illness to pass" a bit quicker. In my experience, it takes as long as it takes to move through feelings.

You seem to be in a "false emergency state." You are still alive. Yi has not given you any big warning signs, but rather has given you a somewhat reassuring reading, perhaps not in terms of getting what you think you want, but certainly in terms of saying that you will survive this and be fine.
 

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I have the same question(s) Trojina has asked. How officially "ex" is your "ex"?

It isn't even clear to me what level of commit there has been an exit from. Were you married and then divorced? Or was it an unmarried relationship that ended? I don't really need to know the answers. But I am wondering if Trojina's suggestion to have a discussion with HIM instead of with Yi ABOUT him is in order. Of course, if he has expressed that he does not want you to communicate with him that is another thing. But you mentioned that he had contacted you.

You seem to be in a "false emergency state." You are still alive. Yi has not given you any big warning signs, but rather has given you a somewhat reassuring reading, perhaps not in terms of getting what you think you want, but certainly in terms of saying that you will survive this and be fine.
 

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