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... another possible interpretation of the three catches in 57.4 ... what if the 3 types of things caught are three tokens of recognition?
There are plenty of recognition scenes in greek mythology but one that definitely stands out is the one between Odysseus and Penelope which unfolds by means of three signs:
the scar, the bow, the bed
the scar: is the scar Odysseus got as a young man in an initiatory hunt from a wild boar...
the bow: the bow is Odysseus old great bow which demands great strength to be used...
the bed: the bed is the final trial for Odysseus who reacts strongly when Penelope orders for the bed to be moved out of her bedroom. The reason is that one of the bed's feet is actually the trunk of a living olive tree and the bed can be moved only if they cut the tree -severing the living bond of the couple. Odysseus, who built the bed himself- is one of the very few people who know about it . .
not sure if the original text supports this meaning for 57.4, but myths don't always have to relate to reality ...
:bows:
Nine in the fifth place means:
Perseverance brings good fortune.
Remorse vanishes.
Nothing that doesn't further.
No beginning, but an end.
Before the change, three days.
After the change, three days.
Good fortune.
In the situation described in Ku, WORK ON WHAT HAS BEEN SPOILED (18), an entirely new point of departure must be set up, whereas here it's only a question of reforms. The beginning has not been good, but the moment has been reached when a new direction can be taken. Change and improvement are called for. Such steps must be undertaken with steadfastness, that is, with a firm and correct attitude of mind; then they will succeed, and remorse will disappear. But it must be remembered that such improvements require careful consideration. Before a change is made, it must be pondered over again and again. After the change is made, it's necessary to note carefully for some time after how the improvements bear the test of actuality. Such careful work is accompanied by good fortune.
Intuitive awareness of the life force feeds identity with feeling to identify amongst; in this tao it is inactive (line 2 is yang) so here identity becomes aware of feeling that is in its quiet phase and pays attention to it
Continuance in the way brings good fortune
Regret disappears, everything brings advantage.
Not a beginning but an end.
Three days before and three days after.
Good fortune
To recognize the tranquil as worthy of notice is the beginning of the end of the separeteness of identity, so continuing brings good fortune, regret disappears together with separate ambition. Everything brings advantage as nothing is rejected -this is the process of change, the middle of it, three days before it and three days after it
The I Ching Oracle
He makes his identity in many variable ways of feeling (at the mid-point between inner and outer) and moves freely amongst continual change
Language of the Lines
...Everything is ripe for the picking, the penny has dropped. If we carry on meditating on things before we do them and then afterwards incorporating the lessons learnt into how we behave then everything in the garden will be rosy.
Dora:...I'm curious to read the 'continued' part of your post!
Mike reminds us that this boat needs to keep on moving, so here come Richmond's words on 57.5:
we now step into the realms of the beginning of the reversal. Repeating the initial comment of the 'homecoming' made by Wilhelm.
Everything is ripe for the picking, the penny has dropped. If we carry on meditating on things before we do them and then afterwards incorporating the lessons learnt into how we behave then everything in the garden will be rosy.
Mike
Frank:
Applied to this fifth line, the place of overall organization, a moving Yang line suggests the the repeated bending that causes fatigue and a completely new break that brings new opportunities.
--Dobro
57.5 says in essence: "You're doing the right thing - trust your judgement - and you're in the middle of a process that's going to take some time and which will reveal itself to you in stages, but it's a very auspicious direction and you should be without any regret right now."
Lienshan
To me The Gentle is active energy and recently I made this reading of I Ching no. 18:
If You are looking at something, that at first sight might look a bit difficult, then it's sometimes tempting to jump over, where the bar is lowest. This is the mistake most people do. Sometimes it works fine and other times it fails, because they in reality jump in blindness. That's why You shall choose, where You benefit the most to jump over, even if this maybe cost You a little extra energy here and now, because then You can look at yourself in the mirror in the future.
Rosada
Perhaps 57.5 > 18 is encouraging you to take a class, maybe a variety of short classes where you don't have to put in a great length of time before you're able to evaluate if you're getting anything (or anyone!) out of it.
(http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=4252)
--Martin
I think the answer says two things:
- be flexible, don't rigidly adhere to or blindly follow a system or what has become tradition.
- on the other hand, also don't switch to a new method too fast. Think about it first and test it.
(http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=5309)
--Ewald
carefully and cautiously planning for something, and seeing things through after it is done.
(http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=558)
--Candid
I asked about some difficult trials and received 57.5 to 18
(http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=1296)
--Willowfox
Hex 57.5 > 18 first, decide on a plan of action but in the knowledge that you are due for a fortunate change in your situation, what you have to do is to keep persevering as it will take time for success to reach you, so you should continually keep a watch on your progress and correct anything that is not right straightaway.
Hex 18 means to correct your previous mistakes, see what they were and learn how to avoid them, then you will be successful.
Jimnammack
Hexagram 57 basically speaks of effectively influencing your environment by taking small steps for now. It indicates also that these small steps will have a bigger impact than you might think.
Moving line 5 says that if you adopt this strategy, all things will work in your favor.
Hexagram 18 pretty much means what it says. Part of your strategy should include fixing or mending what needs fixing or mending.
Bruce_g
line 5 speaks to the process of coming to clear conclusions, and fixing (18) false or outdated understanding. Improving your understanding ‘improves your situation’.
(http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=4386&page=2)
--Jesed
Prospect for an agreement in the palestinian-israeli conflict withinh next 6 months
(when i wrote "agreement" I wasn't thinking in "peace agreement", or a "definitive solution" to the conflict... just thinking in some kind of understanding that improves the situation a little bit)
57.5
(http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=598)
--Maremaria
I asked Yi “based on what you respond” 57.1.5.6 > 11
(http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=4903)
无 wu2: without / not / no /
初 chu1: at first / beginning / first /
有 you3: to have / there is / there are /
終 zhong1: end / finish /
先 xian1: early / prior / former / in advance / first /
庚 geng1: 7th day in a 10-day week / age / change /
三 san1: three / 3 /
日 ri4: day / sun /
後 hou4: after / behind /
庚 geng1: 7th day in a 10-day week / age / change /
三 san1: three / 3 /
日 ri4: day / sun /
Hi Mike and Dora,
Hex57.5 >> 18 which right off the top is a big double dose of 3 days before, 3 days after.
Gia-Fu Feng called hex 57 BENDING and the notes "double bending is to reiterate the orders."
Applied to this fifth line, the place of overall organization, a moving Yang line suggests the the repeated bending that causes fatigue and a completely new break that brings new opportunities.
Frank
Hi Frank
I'd really like to understand a bit more your comments here.
I'm seeing double bending more as going back on oneself - You have gone one way and then heard the orders again and realised that you should really be going another way and perhaps this is more about having a flexibility to bend rather than the complete break that you state. Would you be able to expand on your viewpoint a bit.
Plus what do you specifically mean here by a double dose of 3 days before...3 days after?
Mike.
BENDING. LITTLE BLISS. FRUITFUL TO TAKE ACTION. FRUITFUL TO SEE THE GREAT MAN. Double bending is to reiterate the orders. Bending the hard, correct in the center the will will prevail. The gentle fully follows the hard, therefore a little bliss. Fruitful to take action. Fruitful to see the great man.
Image: Winds blow continuously and successively. Bending. The master reiterates his orders and puts them into effect.
Dora:time for holidays is here -no civilization for me for the coming weeks
take care everyone!
Dora:...
how about (tentative thought)
Regret disappears
without disadvantage
Not at first/Not in the beginning
(but) In the end/There is (still) the end
:bows:
Hi Mike,
Gia-fu's complete hex 57 judgment and image is:
BENDING. LITTLE BLISS. FRUITFUL TO TAKE ACTION. FRUITFUL TO SEE THE GREAT MAN. Double bending is to reiterate the orders. Bending the hard, correct in the center the will will prevail. The gentle fully follows the hard, therefore a little bliss. Fruitful to take action. Fruitful to see the great man.
Image: Winds blow continuously and successively. Bending. The master reiterates his orders and puts them into effect.
Hi CharlyMike:
I also believe that H.57 is speaking about how to face critical times.
This sort of time is foreseeable, then we can be prepared.
Critical times don't pass from one moment to another, are processes, then we must followup the results of our provisions.
Maybe the advice is: be ready, catch yourself strong from the handle and don't loose it too quick, the shake could return ... and meanwhile, think on the future appearence of the garden.
Are your sure that all in it will be rosy?
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Penetration under the bed.
He loses his property and his axe.
Perseverance brings misfortune.
A man's understanding is sufficiently penetrating. He follows up injurious influences into the most secret corners. But he no longer has the strength to combat them decisively. In this case any attempt to penetrate into the personal domain of darkness would only bring harm.
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Trojan:some say he looks too hard into the darkness, some that he doesn't look hard enough. wonder which it is ?
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Hi, Rosada:... details about what Wilhelm says regarding 57.6...
... Here, however, the penetration signifies merely dependence and instability. Thus the line loses what it possesses of firmness ... together with its ax ... it is no longer capable of any decision. Persistence in this attitude is definitely harmful.
Wilhelm
Abraracourcix, called Vitalstatistix in the English books, the chief of the tribe. Majestic, brave and hot-tempered the old warrior is respected by his men and feared by his enemies. Abraracourcix himself has only one fear; he is afraid the sky may fall on his head tomorrow. But as he always says, 'Tomorrow never comes.'
From: http://www.asterix-international.de/asterix/characters.shtml
Now, don't tell me the Yi has no humor! I have a standing alert for Yi related keywords in Twitter and this woman wrote last night:
Though I don't believe in it I just asked the I Ching if my crush likes me. The hexagram I threw was called 'gentle penetration'. Um...
Heck, that's a new convert...
Hi, Dora:...
I lied on the deck, among forces of nature -images came flushing in my mind, I was taken aback by their force . . went below deck to ask Yi, Yi said 57 straight . . gentle wind huh? not gentle at all in the Aegean during August
...
Still remains why to penetrate under the bed is sometimes good, sometimes bad.
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