63.3 and 64.4

[ginnie]

how much or not in your experience , or from your observations, Yi assists one to the process of "stop lying". during that truing process does it intervene ?

If I might jump in, Anemos and Bradford, maybe most often Yi intervenes in letting us know we're in danger or that our path will lead to misfortune. Don't your ears prick up when the auspice says danger or misfortune?

Yi usually gives plenty of warning, enough time to take constructive action, if there is a danger. And it will warn about the same danger over and over again for many years.

As we settle more of our personal issues through our work on ourselves, perhaps we can begin to address issues larger than our own. The I Ching does keep the focus on the individual who is asking the question, so to see larger issues it really helps to see many question and answers all in one place on this forum.

For example, recently in the USA we had a big flooding storm on the eastern seaboard. Many people were getting hexagrams with respect to a lot of rain and the approach of the storm, but they may not have realized what their hexagrams were referring to.

My readings were saying hex 7 with no changing lines, representing, I think, the media campaign promoting large-scale municipal preparedness we saw in NYC. The campaign was based upon a worst-case scenario, and many people were jolted by the need to evacuate or just the need to prepare for the worst. The force of the storm itself was less than expected in the city.

So by giving the representation of a campaign rather than a representation of a wind/rain storm, I think that helped me to see what was true in this instance. Actually, only a very few people, bless their souls, believed me when I said we had nothing to worry about at this location.

 

[ginnie]

maybe by asking the question " if it is not That , then what else could be IT ?"

It is difficult for me to understand a sentence that is all prepositions !!!

 

[anemos]

Lies/denials , as Bradford also said, could be a shelter but also a prison. By intervene I meant something closer to the feeling of invasion. Unless i have read wrong my reading, i haven't experience such a occasion. yet, how much open we are to the messages/answers we get from Yi is always a concern , at least to me.

Early this year, as a yearly reading I got 62 no changing lines. There is a reason/situation I got that, but honestly I thought Yi was not only was exaggerating but making some calculation I thought it was partly wrong I also believed that people "warn" me or saw that as 62 were exaggerating a bit and the part of myself saying/seeing that 62 thing was partly ignored too. it wasn't the first time I had to go through that situation. It was the sixth time ! When some people asked me if i was scared, I was confused. Scared of what????? and my answer was NO ! I was cool !

But...two months ago, during an almost brake down , memories that were suppressed become visible. I'm lucky enough to have two people in my life that I know they could listen yet when I had the chance to talk I was already in the "cool" mode and said nothing. One of them , recently, maybe because they had pick up something, invited me to talk if i wish to do that. This wonderful invitation came in a moment that I had to give my best performance of my I-am-very-very-cool role. Yeah, here is my chance to talk, I thought, especially after some attempts that I started but cowardly stoped, But then I panicked with the idea I would have to put down my defensive mechanism ... and then a mess.

I found Brad's comment very intriguing. Unfortunely sometimes we lie or deny the truth and that happens when we try to read Yi's answers too. To realize that seems a h51 thing to me and to learn undo that take a long h29 process , imo.

 

[ginnie]

Reveal .... Conceal

This wonderful invitation came in a moment that I had to give my best performance of my I-am-very-very-cool role. Yeah, here is my chance to talk, I thought, especially after some attempts that I started but cowardly stopped, But then I panicked with the idea I would have to put down my defensive mechanism ... and then a mess.

Sometimes it's better to talk to a total stranger than someone you know in your life.

Using the words 'lie' and 'lying' make it sound like doing something wrong. To be realistic, we all know many things are better left unsaid.

The reason I am saying this is because a lot of the stuff that we have repressed is really old garbage from the past -- resentments, bad things that happened, horrible childhood memories. Often it's better to write those memories down -- and later, just burn or tear those sheets of paper to shreds.

I am writing this because you sounded a little guilty that you did not speak at that time about what was happening and what was on your mind, but it is not always helpful to speak.

In psychotherapy, for example, patients speak and speak. Patients can become skilled at speaking about themselves. But even psychotherapists sometimes doubt there's any benefit to the Talking Cure.

This is kind of a tricky subject, because I know a lot of people would disagree with me.

It's better to share something with yourself !!! We are made of so many parts and some of those parts are not communicating with each other ...

 

[anemos]

I agree, sometimes some things its better to stay untold but there are times when in a relationship we bring our baggage and our stuffs affect in a negative way a relationship we value then, i think, its helpful to put the matter on the table and talk about it, to clean the communication blockages. when I have a bad day and I vent to the girl in the coffee shop you dares to do the fatal error to put white sugar instead of brown I asked, then I ought to apologize even I'll never see that person again. The same I ought to do in any kind of relationship.

I have a friend that I love very much and i know she loves me too. That friend has a niece , which is like her little sister, that has the same challenge with mine. During this challenge she became a bit distant , I could feel her uneasiness . I didn't said anything neither I had any ill feeling for her attitude because I assumed what was the problem so I just waited. One day, seemed to be the right time to talk, so I mention it. The next time we talked, she apologized and said that I was right and that she couldn't make any meaningful connection why she felt to be distant. We both felt relief that we sort it out and moreover she had the chance to share some feeling about how difficult is for her to see the little one going through that challenge. We where lucky because more or less we had a clue what was really the "problem". some other times we are not in a position to know. Those times either we guess or ask what is going on, or when we are the one that has an issue we either expect the other to guess or explain what bother us. Those times talking about it sounds better, but its not always easy or clear in our minds or in the other part's mind.

I think something similar happens when we try to interpreted Yi's answers. Sometimes we do the right connections sometimes the wrong ones. sometimes we are unaware that we do the wrong connections some others we might suspect it but still we are not ready to hear it. I don't judge it, its human , just its not really helpful But i trust that one who deep inside him/her wants to change it , when the time comes , they will.