Car door problem 46.2.4-62

[Grandma]

Hi all,

My 99 volvo drivers seat door won't open!
I asked about bringing to mechanic and got wierd replies. So I asked if I could fix it myself
28.1.4-5
Well that led me to conclude yes, I could.
Is it something under the seat that needs fixing?
46.2.4-62
That also seems yes, stay low but push upward.
Does anyone have any insight of what I should be doing?
Thank you for looking!
Susan

 

[Liselle]

28.1 can call for being cautious, and 28.4 can mean don't try to do too much, or you could make things worse instead of better.

That reading was in the middle of a conversation you were having with Yi, though, which might make a difference.

 

[Liselle]

Maybe someone who knows more about cars could tell us if it's even possible for something under the seat to prevent a door from opening. I don't know anything about it, but door-latching mechanisms on cars I've had (not Volvos) seem to have been in the doors themselves, or in the car frame that abuts the door, not under the seat.

 

[Grandma]

Yeah, I know, the mechanism is in the door. Maybe though to get at the door I have to put the seat back down as far as possible. I was thinking maybe it meant that.
I think one thing I read was in the reading do something that others did not something new. I read one guy just peeled the door frame off a few inches a d stuck his hand in.
I'll ask tomorrow if that method is feasible.
Do you think I'm way off with thinking 28-5 could indicate I could do this?

 

[Liselle]

"Peeling the door frame" doesn't sound like something I would want to do , and it does sound contrary to the 28>5 reading.

Does the key turn properly in the lock? I'm trying to think of all the things which could cause a door to not open: the lock itself, the handle mechanism (either the inside handle or the outside handle), the part of the latching mechanism that is in the door itself, the other part of the latching mechanism which is in the adjoining door frame, the hinges the door swings on...probably other things...

28>5 might very well be saying don't try. I think it's definitely a warning to be careful.

I just read over 46.2.4>62, and came up with two possibilities, neither of which I'm terribly sure of .

46.2 says (from Hilary's book):

"True and confident,
And so it is fruitful to make the summer offering.
No mistake."​

Hilary points out that summer offerings are small offerings, made from limited resources (summer is before the harvest, when there may not be much left from last year's harvest). She says that the important thing about making a summer offering is to be sincere and 'wholehearted.' You can't impress anyone with the size of the offering, so you'll have to make an impression with the feeling (or possibly the effort) behind it. I think an analogy might be a handmade gift rather than a fancier one you bought.

46.4 says:

"The king makes offerings on Mount Qi.
Good fortune, no mistake."​

Hilary explains that the significant thing about Mount Qi was that it was a mountain near the Zhou people's home. The king here wasn't making a lot of flashy, foreign conquests, he was "steadying his...ambitions" and keeping things "in perspective."

I realize that when you got 46>62, it was in answer to a very specific question about things under the seat. So, of course, the reading could be about that specific thing. But as I said before, both of these readings were in the middle of a conversation. I've had series of readings already where, in hindsight, several of the readings were different ways of Yi trying to deliver a general message about the entire problem, rather than narrow answers to each narrow question. Of course, it's impossible for me to be sure of that here. But it MIGHT be.

So, one possible interpretation here might be that this isn't a serious problem, and you might find it's within your financial means to have it fixed (if finances are a concern). A "summer offering" will be sufficient.

Another possibility might be that the best thing you can do here is to just live with it for now, as unappealing as that is. A door that won't open isn't preventing the car from running. Is it remotely possible to get in the car from the passenger side, even if that means clambering over the gear shift or whatever?

Doing that sounds (to me) like it could be a "summer offering," as well as a way to keep the problem in perspective and so forth.

Of course, what I'm assuming here is that there is some good reason you are hesitating to just take the car to a mechanic and tell them to fix it. Is that true?

 

[Grandma]

I think you are right that the readings are about the general issue.
Maybe 28-5 is a out me calming down first and like you thought be careful.
Of course financial reasons were my primary reason not to go to a mechanic forthwith
But I really like what you said about the summer sacrifice ( the first one not the live with it option!)
Summer is almost here and I just got paid today, this happened Monday night so I didn't have enough money to fix it till now. Also my daughter wants me to go on a weekend trip with her in July but maybe I will have to sacrifice that for this.
Should I go to mechanic f? 3.4-17
I think yeah
Maybe my other readings about mechanics were about calming down first and getting paid?
I like what you said about maybe it's not gonna be a big expense cause that was scaring me and causing me not to act rationally.

 

[Liselle]

Aha .

Everything you're saying here sounds like it makes perfect sense. When it first happened, you had to wait a little bit until you got paid. That could fit with hex 5 - Waiting - as the relating hexagram. Be careful; don't mess it up more trying to fix it yourself; just hold on a bit.

And so forth - plus which, could the mechanic give you an estimate first, so you'll know how much it will be before you commit to paying it? I agree with you about 3.4>17 - it sounds encouraging for enlisting the help of a partner.

Would you mind letting us know how it works out? Good luck .

 

[sooo]

The line can get really fuzzy between technical and emotional factors with regard to Yi's answers to health or mechanical problems. How literally to take them and how much to apply to our state of mind can be frustrating.

First, I'd ask the same question as LiSa, does the key turn from outside? And then, does opening the door from the inside unlock the door or open it?

Second, what came to my mind immediately about 46, even though your question was about the seat, was that the mechanical problem lies with the mechanism within the door that is failing to push the lock upward to unlock it. This can be as simple has a worn washer or specific small part, but I think it would be within the door, and have nothing to do with the seat. 62 leads me to think it's a small part. Line 2 of 46 makes me think it's a direct and simple fix. Line 4 makes me think a right mechanic would go right to the source, which would mean stripping the panel and seeing what's going on inside the door mechanism. Again, it could be as simple as a lock washer, a retaining washer, which has slipped off or has worn. That would be my bet even without a Yi reading.

28. 2 and 5 could mean the difference between going right to the source and a lot of speculation. 5 could mean pausing before acting to discern the difference.

Seems the key (no pun intended) is in taking to the right source. A Volvo dealer will likely soak you, and so might some local junker shop. I'd ask for a reference from friends, or possibly from anyone you know who also owns a Volvo of near the same year, or even if you have a mechanically inclined friend who is willing to help you out. This shouldn't be highly specialized rocket science. In fact, possibly a locksmith can unlock the puzzle and the door and get it working properly, without abusive cost.

If you can't open it from inside, you really shouldn't be driving it. It's a serious hazard. I'd have locksmith come out. They're used to unlocking doors for people who locked their key's inside, so they're equipped for coming out to the problem vehicle.

Good luck with this. I really don't think it's a major thing.

 

[Grandma]

Well thanks both of you for the encouragement.
Yes, the key unlocks the door and all the doors. I can get in passenger side and climb over and drive but that is hazardous so 28 is probably addressing that too. I read that 46 mentions doing what others before you have done not something new, on different websites I've read about people fixing it on their own (sounds hellish just because its hard to open the door panel and replace it without messing something up, not really too complicated just new for me and I might make that worse.
Others have gotten locksmiths, the trouble is maybe the locksmith can open the door but what happens when I shut the door? I have insurance coverage for roadside assistance do I think that is covered,
Should I get a locksmith
Of course my background thought was in order to correct problem not just open the door
26.1.3-4
Maybe it's saying take it to mechanic and open the door with triple a so they can work on it easier with door open a d I wouldn't have to pay for them to do that?
I am feeling very encouraged, I also don't feel we'll today so I am not doing it today which is also the 28-5 I think. Tomorrow is almost summer so there is the summer offering.
If I got the door open could i fix it on my own?
46 unc
That might be saying again I have to make an offering which usually means pay someone, so I would think my course of action is
Go to mechanic, get door opened with triple a, have mechsnics fix it
As early as possible tomorrow, it won't be a big expense or big deal,

 

[sooo]

Obviously, if it opens from the outside with a key, the problem is with the inside handle not functioning completely. And if roadside assistance insurance can help pay, that's great!

 

[Grandma]

The door doesn't open from inside or out, it locks and unlocks.
I have to get in and out passenger side.

 

[sooo]

Oh.. hmm. Wonder if it's an electronically controlled door lock or an older completely manual. Newer ones have had some software issues.

There are some Volvo forums online, maybe you can pose your situation there. http://www.thevolvoforums.com/volvo-v70/4507-v70-door-lock-problems.html

Here's some '99 door lock issues addressed: http://community.cartalk.com/discussion/2116903/volvo-door-lock-problem

https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Volvo+1999+door+lock+problems+&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz35

 

[sooo]

"It's most likely the little rod that runs from the lock on the handle to the door latch that catches the pin on the door jam. Simply remove the panel, then look to see if the rod running between these two points is there. I've done this about six time to a half dozen cars. If you have big hands and fat fingers like me, then try to muster up a little more patience, but it's a relatively simple fix..."

 

[Liselle]

If the key turns normally in the lock, and the "locked/unlocked" indicator inside the car obeys what you're doing with the key, then it sounds to me like the problem is not with the lock, and this isn't really a job for a locksmith. I'd hate to see you pay a locksmith only to have him tell you that the lock itself is fine.

"Should I get a locksmith?" 26.1.3>4

26.1 (from Hilary's book)

"There is danger.
Fruitful to stop it."​

In other words...stop it.

26.3

"A fine horse for pursuit.
Constancy in hardship bears fruit.
Daily training, chariot driving, protecting.
Fruitful to have a direction to go."​

This is harder to understand, but I think what it might be saying is that if you are pursuing something (getting your car fixed), what will help you is a trained "horse" who is "constant" to its task. You want the horse to go where you want it to go, not wherever it takes a fancy to go.

I think there's a decent chance that this line is pointing out that Yi already endorsed taking the car to a mechanic, with 3.4>17. And then off we went on a locksmith distraction, like a horse chasing a blowing leaf instead of pulling the chariot in the chosen direction. (Although it's much easier to come to that conclusion because 26.1 is also in the reading. 26.1 sounds like "the answer" here. 26.3 might just be a bit of a smart-alecky aside from Yi.)

 

[Liselle]

Sooo, we are cross-posting, sorry. Was it the 28>5 reading that you thought might have been actual technical advice? (Or...something. You mentioned a line you thought was "fuzzy," but I don't know which line you meant.)

I mean, I took 28>5 as a warning to be careful lest she cause more damage, and then it sounded like Yi endorsed the mechanic with 3.4>17, etc.

I suppose it could mean that if Susan IS very very careful, she could fix it herself...maybe ...do you have the necessary tools, Susan?

If it were me (and it's not), what I'd probably do is go to a mechanic for an estimate. If the estimate is ridiculous, then revisit the issue. But I don't think I'd just charge in to tearing apart my car door as a first step.

 

[sooo]

Maybe the horse that needs to be stopped is the Volvo dealership that will charge $400 for a $10 repair.

Well, speaking of a horses, it's time to feed a few. Good luck with that, Susan.

 

[Liselle]

Maybe the horse that needs to be stopped is the Volvo dealership that will charge $400 for a $10 repair.

$400 is clearly ridiculous, and you sensibly warned her away from Volvo dealerships already. There are almost certainly other honest mechanics. If you don't already know one who you trust, Susan, Sooo's suggestion of getting a recommendation from a friend is a good one. As is his suggestion to have a friend do it who's good with cars, if you know such a person.

But also, it is very true that it's better to interpret readings when you know something about the actual subject. Sooo knows about the actual car repair here and he is saying it's pretty simple. So if you can find good instructions online, maybe at the link he provided or one of the forums, and you have whatever tools you need or could easily buy them, then it might very well be worth trying to fix it yourself. You'd certainly have a sense of accomplishment .

 

[sooo]

Whoa! Sooo doesn't know about car mechanical thingymabobs, but he knows enough about "service absorption" from marketing car dealerships to know the markup is horrendous. I have a mechanic shop that I trust. I've spent a few hundred there, but I've also been told, well, it would cost $360 to replace this part that makes the check engine light come on, but won't effect your vehicle's performance or emission one bit. That's why I trust them, and why it's the only place I'll take my truck to when something needs checking and fixing. An honest and qualified shop with fair prices.

I still think the right locksmith can fix that door lock, if it's mechanical. If it's electronic, likely not. But a mechanic wrote those words I quoted, so if it were my vehicle, I'd go that route first. If that rod is the most common problem, and if it didn't break, as sometimes they do, but just came unhinged, that's a 10 minute fix and will cost nothing out of pocket. If that doesn't work, I'd call a couple of locksmiths. If that didn't work, I'd find a reputable nearby mechanic. My last stop and resort would be a dealership, especially a Volvo dealership here in the US! Yikes.

What I meant by the gray area of health and mechanical questions being frustrating, is that, in my experience, it can be dicey whether Yi is talking to the question asked or to my emotional state, or something to do with why I'm asking. This morning it so much as told me to go fly a kite when asking about a guitar modification, lol. Since so many physical symptoms and ailments have roots in our mind, the answers can largely be psychological, which if we're not on our toes about, will serve to be frustrating and confusing.

 

[Liselle]

But a mechanic wrote those words I quoted

Oh, gosh, sorry. I did see the quote marks there, but still thought you were partly talking about your own experience.

I'm gathering from what you're saying that locksmiths don't necessarily just limit themselves to what I would consider "the lock" (the cylinder part). *GIANT SHRUG OF CLUELESSNESS*

 

[pocossin]

I understand Pushing Upward as making an offering. Make an offering to a priest of Volvo (a Volvo mechanic) and get this fixed. It shouldn't be too expensive. It's a common Volvo problem.

 

[sooo]

Oh, gosh, sorry. I did see the quote marks there, but still thought you were partly talking about your own experience.

I'm gathering from what you're saying that locksmiths don't necessarily just limit themselves to what I would consider "the lock" (the cylinder part). *GIANT SHRUG OF CLUELESSNESS*

No problem, Lisa, easy mistake. I'm not very mechanically inclined beyond basics.

With this economy, small businesses will do a lot of things outside their particular specialty. Some will do it just to help out. Small mechanic shops can't be generally categorized, so when I find a good and honest one, I stick with them. These are people after all, not robots... at least not all of them. US dealerships on the other hand...

 

[Grandma]

Thanks for the links. It's not the lock, the lock works fine, it's that the door won't open inside or out. Yeah from the forums I read its a common problem. I had a specific mechanic in mind for 3.4-17
Who just fixed another minor problem for me two weeks ago so they will remember me.
I do think 46 is about the sacrifice of paying someone, that was good lisa you pointed that out and steered me in that direction. I think the 28-5 was emotional. But the first line got me confused with the mats so that made me ask about under the seat. That still is confusing.
So now don't call locksmith just go to mechanic in morning.

 

[Grandma]

I thinking 26 was also don't do this at home

 

[Liselle]

I thinking 26 was also don't do this at home

It says that in the Oracle section...I think it's a good question how much weight to put on particular Oracle words or phrases when there's a whole reading, with moving lines, to consider. I have no idea.

 

[sooo]

Just for discussion sake, 26, heaven within the mountain can be relying on deeply seated knowledge, such as a learned and skilled expert would have.

28.1, the white rushes or mat, I think speaks of proceeding with care. Or emotionally, not to freak out.

If you've already established some success with this mechanic, it makes sense to take it to him.

I'm curious if it's that connecting rod, and if so, whether it's broken or has just become dislodged.

 

[Liselle]

Just for discussion sake, 26, heaven within the mountain can be relying on deeply seated knowledge, such as a learned and skilled expert would have.

Oh, and yes (I just looked it up) the Image of 26 refers to history, maybe like a "history" you might have with a mechanic you've previously used?

Or maybe I'm making too much of this. I sometimes feel like if I poke at readings too much, (whatever "too much" is) everything starts to mean everything and nothing means anything and I get lost

 

[sooo]

Oh, and yes (I just looked it up) the Image of 26 refers to history, maybe like a "history" you might have with a mechanic you've previously used?

Or maybe I'm making too much of this. I sometimes feel like if I poke at readings too much, (whatever "too much" is) everything starts to mean everything and nothing means anything and I get lost

It is like learning any form of art: you learn a bunch of rudimentary theory, movements and steps, strokes and technique, but when it's time to perform you must forget all that, and just play, dance, paint and become.

 

[Grandma]

Ok so went to the shop in 3.4-17 and first he said he was too busy but then he started trying to figure it out anyway and got the door opened, it took 30 minutes, it wasn't easy. It is the lock! Like soo. Kept saying, the lite knob goes up and down but it wasn't releasing so it was essentially staying locked. He said I needed a new lock mechanism, not just a little latch or nut, so they told me about a junkyard. A customer with a BMW got involved and called for me, they had one $75 , so I went and got it. The mechanic said he can fix it tomorrow pm. So I'll tell you how that goes.
For sure my summer offering, I think it's the first day of summer today.
For sure I couldn't have done it, maybe I could have gotten the door panel off but I wouldn't have realized the lock was a goner.

 

[Liselle]

My goodness. It was the lock.

Sooo, I don't know where you got "lock" from but you were right! Even though it seemed to be working, it really wasn't. So tell us what made you think of the lock!

 

[Liselle]

So, Susan, does the "summer offering" fit here? I don't just mean because it's summer (although that is funny), but is the $75 something you can more or less afford?