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I had a bizarre romance. It was sweet and kind and loving for the brief period at the beginning.

Then suddenly the person became unhinged and odd in a way I can't even fathom. He behaved with no decorum, no humility. Was brash, arrogant, aggressive, vain, self indulgent and delusional (really).

The night of this latter occurrence, he brought me over where he was drunk with a girl he'd met on a dating app. Apparently, it was a business meeting and he was very involved with me but I was baffled why there was this other girl who clearly didn't understand (as I didn't) the dynamic. He started, unrelentingly, playing random musical instruments at full volume, discordantly while also swapping music on his Itunes, every 30 seconds, dancing wildly, ranting about being king of many countries so everything was cacaphonous. She remained, for many hours, as confused as me. Then, as the night wore on, she started discussing how attractive she finds me and then they both had a conversation about my qualities. Then she started talking about sleeping with me. He proposed we all sleep in the same bed naked and started playing footsies with her. I said I was leaving, gave a speech about games and manipulations and that I didn't want threesomes, I wanted a spouse and children. He said he wanted the same thing. She looked at both of us and said she was leaving and gave a speech about professionalism and messy romance. On the front step, outside, he shouted at me that I had to get out immediately. So, instead of leaving, I stayed. This, in part because I'm missing my bank cards, I'd taken apart my bedroom and didn't particularly relish the idea of trying to find public transport at 2:30 in the morning but more because this was utterly confusing again and I think my mind sought some form of understanding. I intuitively trusted he wouldn't use violence against me or anything where he could be seen as culprit as his role was to be the sweet, the innocent, hero, victim. We then had a just as bizarre dynamic that resulted in us sleeping in our separate rooms, him saying some horrible things to me, blaming me for everything. I wrote him an email expressing my feelings gently and with love, in spite of all this. We didn't speak in the am. Once I'd left, he replied horribly to me and unfriended me on social networks.

I asked about his feelings for me - that old chestnut. Not because I'm planning to be together with him in any capacity but because I wanted to ask the Yi what was going on in his head. Like, does he have an awareness of the mentalness of his actions. It is, I guess, simply me trying to make sense.

As usual with my threads, this read hasn't been covered yet in the forum.

62. Legge: The meaning of this hexagram in which an excess of yin lines prevails, may be grasped by contrasting its image with that of hexagram number twenty-eight, Critical Mass, in which an excess of yang lines prevails. Here the idea is the prevalence of small or inferior powers, and the lesson to be learned is how to distinguish essentials from non-essentials. Is it ever good to deviate from the established course of procedure? The answer is that it is permissible only in small matters, but never in matters of import. Sometimes form may be dispensed with, but never substance, and the thing must always be done responsibly and with appropriate humility. The symbol of the bird is to teach humility -- it is better for it to descend, keeping near to where it can perch and rest, than to ascend into the homeless regions of the upper air.

Line 2: Wing: Use whatever common affiliations you have with others to bring you into a secure position. No matter what kind of connection you make, it is the connection itself that is important. Hold as closely as possible, however, to traditional methods.

This could describe the act of bringing myself and the girl together with aim to make music and romance and be the central figure of connection. Manipulative on another level, however it's looked at. Or it could describe me coming into the situation and attempting to keep a balanced perspective of the bizarre dynamic.

Line 3: Confucius/Legge: There will be evil: how great it will be! Wilhelm/Baynes: What a misfortune this is! Blofeld: Were that to happen, it would indeed be misfortune! Ritsema/Karcher: Wherefore a pitfall thus indeed. Cleary (2): Pursuers attack one. How unfortunate! Wu: How can it not be foreboding?

As we all were struck by one another by evening's end, it could describe how any one of us experienced things. Easily this is perception of me for my lecture and deciding to leave. As what he did, I guess, seemed entirely okay and normal for him.

Line 4: Blofeld: Accosting someone instead of passing him by is now inappropriate or, is indicated by the unsuitable position of this line. The danger of going forward and the need for precaution imply that we should not continue long in our present course. Ritsema/ Karcher: Situation not appropriate indeed. Going adversity necessarily warning. Completing not permitting long-living indeed. Cleary (2): The position is not right. After all, it cannot last. Wu: This means that his position is improper. Because it will not last.

Well, okay, definitely the position wasn't appropriate and it could only last so long because eventually it was all going to crash. And it did. In a fiery horrible mess.

Line 6: Confucius/Legge: The position indicates the habit of domineering. Wilhelm/ Baynes: He is already arrogant. Blofeld: The first sentence suggests that we behave too arrogantly. Ritsema/Karcher: Climaxing overbearing indeed. Cleary (2): Passing by without meeting is because of arrogance. Wu: Because he is too arrogant. Siu: The man does not know how to control his preoccupation with trivia. His overshooting and restlessly pressing on bring disappointment and calamity to himself and his people.

His arrogance was incredible. And his behaviour wholly unrepentant. Were this to reflect me, my staying and pressing on. Or even my standing up for myself and choosing to leave, in the mind of someone so filled with a sense of their own self importance, would be a breach, a form of arrogance and restlessly pressing on.

Hex 4: Cleary (2): Under a mountain emerges a spring, in darkness. Leaders use effective action to nurture inner qualities. Wu: A spring flows at the foot of a mountain; this is Ignorance. The jun zi resolves to taking steps to cultivate his virtue.

Because I doubt how mentally stable he is, I wonder if 4 could represent that state. And were it to reflect me, it is the state of confusion and chaos I found myself in just being there and then after.

Thoughts? Many thanks! :bows:
 

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Disaster Romance

62,2,3,4,6 - 4

An interpretation of Hex 62 which I have found helpful uses Hex 27 as its starting point. The basic symbolism of Hex 27 could be described as representing an open, or empty, mouth. A situation in which one should take great care of the thoughts upon which one nourishes oneself, hence the image of an empty mouth in which two opposite dynamics, Chen and Ken, hold each other in a condition of restraint such that one allows the universal process to bring things to a conclusion.

In Hex 62 Chen and Ken are no longer holding each other in positions of restraint, they have closed and absorbed thoughts and emotions such that the dynamic trigram, Chen, is now no longer restrained and has surpassed Ken to a point where it now invites danger. “From the perspective of our ego non-action seems ineffective and unnatural; nevertheless, receiving this hexagram indicates that non-action is required” - Carol Anthony

The Parallel Nuclear Progression (a parallel progression derived from the original progression) to 62,2,3,4,6 - 4 is (28,1,2,3,4,5 - 24) and whilst I don’t have time to give a line by line analysis of this the parallel nuclear hexagrams alone indicate a situation in which one is urged to Return from a situation fraught with potential mistakes.

62,2,3,4,6 - 4
2nd yin: He does not reach his prince. No blame - ‘Not reaching his prince’ indicates that we do not yet have a clear insight into the situation. Very often this is because the different aspects of the situation have not yet developed to a point where the overall meaning has become clearly manifest. The line-resultant for 2nd yin, Hex 32 Duration, clearly supports this interpretation in that it is encouraging one to persevere until clarity is possible.

3rd yang: If one is not extremely careful…..misfortune.
Here we have a yang line correctly located in a yang position commanding the lower trigram, Ken. Given such a strong, correct position one might be enthusiastically inclined (line resultant Hex 16 - Enthusiasm) to bring others in the situation to heel but this would be to completely ignore one’s responsibility in the situation. This line is head of the trigram Ken - indicating control and restraint, any enthusiastic expansion will lead to severe misfortune.

4th Yang: Do not act. Be constantly persevering.
This line often indicates that we have reached a point of questioning the I Ching’s guidance and the direction of our path. Allowing the universal Dao to proceed and express itself in the situation is an act of supreme self-control and sacrifice but it will produce a situation of greater clarity and truth. The line-resultant (Hex 15) is urging us to modestly accept the guidance we are given.

Top yin: The flying bird leaves him. Misfortune.
From a situation calling for control and restraint (Hex 27) we now find ourselves in a situation demanding even greater control and restraint (Hex 62). If we choose to ignore the restraints urged in this hexagram we will, I’m afraid, suffer misfortune. The line-resultant, Hex 56, is a hexagram that readily interprets as a commentary on our relationship with the I Ching. If we turn our backs on its guidance it will, like a flying bird, pass us by when in serious difficulty.

Hope this helps,

Peter
 

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Before I had even read your post...as soon as I saw the cast and the title 'disaster romance'....I thought 'boy there's a car crash'

I think 4 as relating can often be you just don't get it...one literally is ignorant of what is going on. In 62 one needs to pay very careful attention to signs...

Oh hang on you asked of his feelings to you ? Oh wow it just looks so foolishly (4) careless (62) doesn't it. There is nothing seemingly genuine or even stable by the sound of it. It looks like he is terribly unknowingly careless with you. Like a child pulling a cat's tail for fun. It's like he has no idea...and that doesn't mean he is innocent like a child ..I mean he is brutally casually cruel and unthinking about how he treats you. What does he feel for you ? I'm not sure he has feelings for anyone but himself


Have you considered he may be a sociopath ? Google it and see if you recognise any of the typical behaviours. I'm reading 'the sociopath next door' by Martha Stout at the moment.....er because I just had dealings with a person I never met the like of before in my life. All I'm suggesting is that you may not understand this person's actions or why he changed so suddenly because he isn't living by any normal rules of human interaction. Also typically such people are charming and charismatic at first.
 

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Trojina, yes, thank you for your thoughts.

I'm 4 on this. Various people have various interpretations. Most interpretations are that we were all drunk and tense. He'd had many many drinks by the time I even arrived.

I googled sociopath. I'm not sure if he has remorse. I don't know because I don't see the aftermath of this experience.

He's been very successful and it could be down to not caring about who he hurts although I got that it was more because he's been a friendly and warm person with a lot of talent. (I knew him a long time ago and worked with him then)

There don't seem to be lies that I'm aware of and he definitely can't stay calm. He's very emotional. He isn't really charming, just friendly, eccentric and a little radical, not really strategic. More like a fantasist and a dreamer. I didn't really get that it was totally manipulative, more like grossly negligent and emotionally immature. There are delusions of grandeur although not without the work.

Okay, having gone through the list, I doubt he's a sociopath. That doesn't seem to fit.

There are a great number of people who don't abide by normal social interactions and that's okay as long as it stays of benefit to the dynamics.

The reading reflects, very much, the experience. I actually don't know anything. It seems odd in the extreme. Unless we were all just very drunk and tense, I suppose.

I guess my view is that it can be a little difficult to judge or gauge a person based on something like this. I found it all a little traumatic but it also really gave me an opportunity to explore ideas and feelings with friends and learn more about my approach etc.

Peter2610 I appreciate your analysis. All accurate as an experience.

It happened and I don't know what happened, I don't know what's inside of his head. He's potentially a decent person who can communicate with me. I don't really have to ask any more questions because real life will show what all this was :bows:
 

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Update: The question was about his feelings - how he viewed the situation and given what I learned and his actions, I would say that the reads are a good assessment.

The 4 I find particularly interesting as it turns out he's bi-polar (comorbid with something else - not sure what) and is experiencing a hypomanic episode. The overblown dramatic nature of the lines of 62 coupled with 4 tend to reasonably well, represent a manic bipolar episode if the episode is combined with extreme recklessness and paranoia so resulting in a form of perpetual fear and anxiety mixed with reckless euphoria.

I read laying low as useful and laid low. My thoughts on the situation persisted and I talked it out with everyone I knew until I laid bare what I could actually do to potentially both benefit the situation for this man and also potentially heal a 9 year old wound.

The bipolar man had said that a man who'd proposed marriage to me last year but who'd also done something illegal and ethically wrong to me in 2006 and then refused to acknowledge this (since blocked on my phone, facebook and email after bombarding me with communications over a two month period after the confrontation and proposal) was the person who was currently working with him. What a bizarre coincidence. Not just the timing but of all the people.... This 2006 event was no small experience and this man was pretty much the main romance of the last decade, however dysfunctional.

The Iching gave me 30.2 about contacting this other person (2006 person) and writing an honest letter so I wrote him a letter, laid no blame, gave us responsibility and agency and discussed everything. He replied that it had brought him to tears. I asked whether I should agree to his proposal to meet and again got 30.2 We met, reconciled, with no emotional residue. I suggested he be kind, care best he could for the bi-polar man and gave him a gift of the the Golden Mean. This man then left the country.

Blessings!
 
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