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Are you recommending this book because it's about ancient civilization and aliens, or because we might learn something about dragons from it? Or both?

Personally, I'm very suspect - to say the least - of a book where the introduction tells us that we were all supposed to die back in Dec. 2016 because the 12th planet, Planet Nibiru was getting to close to us. And since it's now 2021, I put that squarely in the mythic 'load of malarkey' category.

Ah, yea I can imagine...
You read the introduction, and as you said you were already very suspect... I assume that means you were in a state of deep suspection that in the introduction of the book 2016 would be mention in a not flattering way even to the point of us all dying.

So sure, I assume, that you didn't let the fact 2016 is not mentioned anywhere in the book at all as a demotivating factor, as of course the actual mentioning of it will only lessen the deep disappointment you felt when you surely embrace the idea it has to be there.
And you left the book I assume, sad day for the dragons and extraterrestrials everywhere...

Yet even if there are fascinating dragons in it, you will never know now...

Here is a dragon artwork, so you don't feel bad for all dragons you may miss out in Sitchins book, here we go:
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Well, it turns out that Sitchin’s books are on scribd.com as text and audiobook, and since I accidentally forgot to cancel my subscription last month I can read/listen to my heart’s content and find out if there really are dragons on Niburu (or wherever) and what happened to them in 2016. Excellent!!
 

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I assume that means you were in a state of deep suspection .... I assume that you didn't .... it will only lessen the deep disappointment you felt .... I assume, sad day for the dragons and extraterrestrials everywhere...

Yet even if there are fascinating dragons in it, you will never know now ....
I'm not sure if you ever answered my question: is the book about dragons - or include them - or not?

You are sure doing a lot of 'assuming' about what I think and feel. And to clarify, I have no deep disappointment or suspicions, and I don't 'assume' - as you do - that this is a sad day for dragons. Me and my dragons get along just fine, and they are not disappointed in me, even though I didn't read the book. I'm sure none of them have read it either.
 

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I'm not sure if you ever answered my question: is the book about dragons - or include them - or not?
I have just searched the text of the book for ‘dragon’ and the word occurs many times! 9 times, to be precise! 😊
 

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I have just searched the text of the book for ‘dragon’ and the word occurs many times! 9 times, to be precise! 😊
There are other books for other places from the series... First one is mostly about Sumer and Babylon. Then there were for Egypt, Central America and other places...
I don't remember if there was for China, probably was.

It has pictographs, though(from the Sumerian Tablets), so better read as a normal book, audiobooks can't really describe some of the stuff. : )
 

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... searched the text of the book for ‘dragon’ and the word occurs 9 times
Well, that's good to know.

So this book is about (fantastical) extraterrestrials who once inhabited our world, and the mysterious make-believe planet Nibiru, and it mentions dragons nine times! Sorry to say, that's still not enough to bring it to the top of my reading list. If there is anything about the Yijing's dragons to be learned in that book, I'm hoping someone else will enlighten us.

What we do know about Nibiru:

" ... a variety of rumors spread regarding ways the world could end back in 2012. One popular contender was Nibiru, a supposed planet that some claimed would collide with Earth at the end of that year. But despite the buzz, there's no scientific evidence supporting the alleged planet's existence ....

Nibiru has been linked to NASA by various bloggers. Because of this claimed connection, space agency officials put out a statement saying that no big planet was coming to destroy Earth in 2012 (and it didn't destroy us back in 2016 either, at least as far as I can tell)."
 

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Well, that's good to know.

So this book is about (fantastical) extraterrestrials who once inhabited our world, and the mysterious make-believe planet Nibiru, and it mentions dragons nine times! Sorry to say, that's still not enough to bring it to the top of my reading list. If there is anything about the Yijing's dragons to be learned in that book, I'm hoping someone else will enlighten us.

What we do know about Nibiru:

" ... a variety of rumors spread regarding ways the world could end back in 2012. One popular contender was Nibiru, a supposed planet that some claimed would collide with Earth at the end of that year. But despite the buzz, there's no scientific evidence supporting the alleged planet's existence ....

Nibiru has been linked to NASA by various bloggers. Because of this claimed connection, space agency officials put out a statement saying that no big planet was coming to destroy Earth in 2012 (and it didn't destroy us back in 2016 either, at least as far as I can tell)."
I think Gmulii kindly suggested the book to me based on some other books I’d mentioned - not especially because it is about the Yijing dragons. Sorry for any confusion. I don’t think anyone is making a serious case for the existence of Nibiru nor indeed any dragons that may or may not live/have lived on it. From my cursory examination of the 9 mentions, Sitchin seems to be referring to Rahu and Ketu, the astrological dragon nodes of the moon (plus some other references to mythical dragons and serpents in various cosmologies).

Although if we’re talking about scientific evidence, it’s probably safe to say there’s no scientific evidence for the efficacy of oracular texts! One takes from it what one takes… :)
 

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Although if we’re talking about scientific evidence, it’s probably safe to say there’s no scientific evidence for the efficacy of oracular texts! One takes from it what one takes
I wasn't quite following all that - I got the idea that you were interested in the book because of the dragons mentioned in Hex. 1 and 2, but obviously those books are about something else (which is fine).

For me, I do want to know about the science and proof behind planets (or in this case, a make-believe planet); however for me, 'evidence' for oracles is a different matter - the proof of the pudding is in the tasting: we find that they work for us, or not. Or perhaps we like oracles and are interested in them regardless of if they are 'real' or not.

In another thread, I mentioned reading The Shape of the Turtle by Sarah Allan: 'Myth, Art, and Cosmos in Early China'.

In her book she refers to primitive cultures as 'mythic' - that in a time before people wrote down their myths and stories, they lived and 'spoke in' myths - whereas later (now) we write down the myths and we want to discuss, argue, interpret, collect, reinterpret, study, etc. these myths, but we no longer live them.

We have become more concerned with the accuracy, history, and 'truth' of these myths, whereas they were never meant to be 'accurate' in the first place - nor 'true', meaning that they blended myths, dreams, tales, and actual events (that themselves may have been altered or interpreted in multiple ways), so they may or may not be 'true' in an historic ('did that really happen?') sense.

Dragons are the same thing for me: I'm fine with them being 'mythic' - they may be based on real creatures, or imagined ones, or that the dragons are asterisms (star clusters) which travel across the sky throughout the year; or perhaps they also include water dragons - maybe the rivers themselves?; or they are the 'carriers' of creative energy / potential .... and all of that (and more) can be true - even at the same time, or at different times, or they change over time (and with each reading).

Best, D
 
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On the 7' of august this year, I added a link that I thought might have HeyLise's interest. Before that this thread actually ended on 23' of April 2017. And You know: I couldn't have added this link back then as I just recently got David W. Pankeniers book.
One thing more: Master Shao Yong has recently written a book about Learning the I Ching, I think in or around the 12'th century... Recently COMPARED TO the age of the I Ching. (Just to justify my late response to HeyLise)
 

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Two ways: you can either just select the section you want to quote and then a 'quote' option should pop up; click it, then go to a new post, then select 'insert quotes' (which is what I did here).
Thank you dfreed!
 

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