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I would like to see specific documented examples of this. When and where has this been tested?TCM, when practiced without any 5E considerations is considerable more effective than when 5E is used.
From this I gather you are a medical practitioner of some kind. Are you a licensed acupuncturist? Or?.... But for me that for me set the bar of what is possibe from experienced practitioners and what we should be aiming acheiving in clinical practice.
I have recognised over the years what the strengths and limitation are of TCM but I think I know the strengths of the Yi but what would you say are its limitations. Would anyone else like to comment in the Yi's limitations.
Can you needle a meridian and still get results without knowing anything about the elements... I doubt it, but in theory I guess its possible. No idea why you would want to, though.
I would point out that Giovanni Maciocia's works are based upon the concept of 5E, so it would be surprising if he said anything to the contrary.
Have you ever though about how the correlation between "solid" and "hollow" ever came about and how the Lungs might be considered a solid organ, when they contain nothing but air, and for half the time not even that much air, so they are really rather empty. The designations of such things derived from the relationships of the 12 organs, one to the other, ther really is no such thing as Zang and Fu in the manner that we are "taught" and despite the inclination in the TCM Classics to put the Zang as rather more important than the Fu, when you take away the 5E concept you quickly realise that all 12 organs are equally important and each relies on all the others for their proper functioning.
Because 5E has no coherent foundation in any framework that seem to be those that exist in just about any civilisation I consider that 5E is such a crutch. Fundamentally ther is nothing that cannot be understood with proper understanding of the two fundamentals of Yin and Yang and their initial actions, that gives us 4. 4 gives us 8 and 12 and 8 gives us 64. Both 12 and 64 "reduce" to the common denominator of 4 which we know is a derivation of 2. The difficulty that I have with the Yi is that although there is movement within the 64 there is nothing in the derivation from 2 to 4 to 8 to 64 which provides a rational coherent explanation of "why" there is movement.
and that makes no coherent or rational sense at all.
Hi My_key
The repitition of what is in the Yi does nothing to "explain" how the 5E relates to the Yi.
5E, Trigrams, Hexagrams, all supposedly linked together. So where are the rational, coherent arguments that might explain how and why they are linked in any way at all.
I am afraid that quoting something that relied on the "theory" in the first place, is no validation that the theory is correct in any way, shape of from whatsover.
It seems that you are not alone as no one has been able to offer any coherent or rational advice.
That does present a major problem for those that do anything more than simply use the Yi for what ever reasons the want to. For those that are involved in the Yi in a deeper way it would suggest that all they would have is a "belief" in ancient texts.
If there are 2 types of Earth there have to be 2 types of ALL the elements. 2 of Fire, 2 of Metal, 2 of Wood, 2 of Water.
"Wet" Earth is not just Earth it is a combination of Earth and Water. To be rational and coherent there would have to be combinations of ALL of the elements.
Clarity,
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