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I used Google to search "I Ching Forum", and I appreciate the first result:)

I am maverickcc, a Ph.D student now studying in DKFZ, Germany now, came from China Mainland. In the I Ching field, I am the Advance Moderator(Level 8, Level 1 is the big boss) of I Ching World Forum(周易天地论坛 http://bbs.64gua.com) in China. This is a 10-year old I Ching Forum, and has an intact history of 6 years. (The second longest has the history of 3 years) For the last 2 years, we have used the network to teach and spread the I Ching related cultures and divination methods, over 500 students participated in. Step by step, we are going to accumulate our knowledge and talents.

I have briefly read the Introductory I Ching Course, by Hilary J Barrett(2004) in this forum, it is really a great introduction for ones do not speak Chinese, yet not sufficient.

As you may all know, the I Ching is the most important and classical culture book from China, it is not only a book for divination, but also the origin of all other Chinese culture. During the last thousand years of history, China mainland has been invaded several times, but the invaders all became to learn Chinese. We lost the war, but we never lost the culture.

Unfortunately, since 1978, there was a horrible nightmare in China mainland, which called: Great Culture Revolution. During that time, we lost lots of important culture treasures, even now we still not came out from the shadow of it. You may found I Ching is not easy to understand, even for we Chinese. I did not want to admit, but the truth is, the most excellent book of I Ching I have ever read, is named as"Gaodao I Ching Divination"(高岛易经心解) by a japanese 100 hundred years ago. We also have the responsibility to do better.:)

For some reasons, people in China mainland can not access websites such as Youtube/Twitter/Blogspot, et,al. Even for our forum, we still suffer the dangerous to be shut down suddenly, without any reason. And we should not talk about "sensitive words". I am here today, not only for the sharing of our culture, but also try to find ways keep the full version of our knowledges.

The link of I Ching World International is:
http://bbs.64gua.com/thread.php?fid=207

In case the system language is Chinese, you may not easily to sign up:) I will come here if I have time and answer your relevant questions.(In this forum, not 64gua) As not everyone in China can understand English well, our purpose is to establish a none gap communicate platform, I also need your help on that.

Thank you for your patience.
Best wishes.

Yours sincerely, Maverickcc
 
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Welcome to Clarity, Maverickcc. When time permits, please tell more about the book "Gaodao I Ching Divination"(高岛易经心解). Often features of a culture are preserved in outlying regions when they have been lost at the center.
 

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maverickcc said:
I am maverickcc, a Ph.D student now studying in DKFZ, Germany now, came from China Mainland.
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I will come here if I have time and answer your relevant questions.
Hi maverickcc. I am living in China at the moment, I love it here. Although I have the acquaintance of a man in my city who was apparently the favoured student of the last foremost expert on BaGua systems in China, his english is pretty bad and so is my mandarin - for now, anyway.

I am wondering whether you are aware of an explanation for the King Wen Yijing sequence - why the 64 hexagrams are put in mysterious order that they are? I am working on producing my own logical explanation, but I am wondering whether the chinese have had one already that the West are not aware of?

Best regards,

Erime
 

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高岛 Takashima.

http://www.japanese-greatest.com/great-people/kaemon-takashima.html
" In 1886 English and Chinese translations of “Takashima Divination” were published and consequently the Takashima Divination was established."
Most elusive book, The Takashima Ekidan is... and only one library in Germany has it listed as available.

I suppose the Japanese have a tight grip on the rights of the book, although it was published in English in 1893 and, by all intents and purposes, the copyright "should" have expired long ago.

Intriguing, to say the least.
 

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Hi maverickcc. I am living in China at the moment, I love it here. Although I have the acquaintance of a man in my city who was apparently the favoured student of the last foremost expert on BaGua systems in China, his english is pretty bad and so is my mandarin - for now, anyway.

I am wondering whether you are aware of an explanation for the King Wen Yijing sequence - why the 64 hexagrams are put in mysterious order that they are? I am working on producing my own logical explanation, but I am wondering whether the chinese have had one already that the West are not aware of?

Best regards,

Erime
Dear Erime:

You asked quite a large question.

To be honest, it is still not clear, why the sequence should be like that, but if you are really familiar with I Ching, you will find the sequence quite well describe lot of the pheromone of our life. It is like the Schrodinger equation used in Quantum Physics, but know one knows how it comes out. :)

You probably have heard of 连山(Lianshan Yi) and 归藏(Guicang Yi),basically, there are two other kinds of sequence. Although it is said that they all missed during the history, they are commonly used in Chinese Fengshui(风水), and I am not allowed to talk about them here, sorry. :)

You said you would like to produce your own sequence, it is really a big challenge, but I should warn you, you will probably waste your time. Albert Einstein has spent half of his life on fight with the classical Quantum Mechanics, but he failed finally. The basic theory of Quantum Mechanics is only 100 years old, and will you do against something that live for over thousands of years?:D

Actually, all the books you can bought, have more less illogically, which make you always feel confused. Our forum (see my signature below) is looking for opportunities to make a better explanation, however, that will suffer the "sensitive words" problems now, really horrible.

My suggestion is, you should learn some basic Chinese if you would like to go further on your study, and do not waste your time on making creation before you can not really understand I Ching, that will not make you to understand better, but make you looked funny.

Best.

Maverickcc
 

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Hastings Encyclopedia says:

This obscure book [I Ching], indeed, just because of its divinatory character, was one of the first Chinese works to be introduced into Japan (in A.D. 553, according to the Nihongi, . . .) and it became the basis of the system of divination in use at present. Takashima Kaemon, who was the most celebrated diviner in modern Japan, took this work as the foundation for his art; when he was only a student, he was put in prison for some youthful misdemeanour, and, having nothing but this ancient classic beside him, he discovered the secret of the meditations which brought success to his brilliant career. The present writer frequently had occasion to meet this diviner, to hear from his own mouth an account of his most ingenious consultations, and even to receive his lessons, and he can say that, if the principles of the system are doubtful, its individual results are often wonderful: the value of divination is in proportion to the skill of the diviner, and the lucky financier of Kanagawa, the able promoter of so many new schemes, was always a prudent man who could see far ahead. As Chamberlain says (Things Japanese, Lond. 1898, p.112), Takashima, after studying the Yih-king, realized a fortune by obedience to its precepts; but there are many Japanese, even in the highest grades of society, who also profited by his wide experience of men and things; one has only to read the Takashima Ekidan of Shigetake Sugiura (Tokyo, 1893) to get a good estimate, from numerous examples, of the penetration of his mind and the wisdom of his counsel. . . .
 
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I suppose the Japanese have a tight grip on the rights of the book, although it was published in English in 1893 and, by all intents and purposes, the copyright "should" have expired long ago.
Google digitized the U.Va copy, and it looks to me that U.Va is the one responsible for Google not being able to display it.
 

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There's one at U.Va. too.

http://virgobeta.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/u4508226

James Hastings in his Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (Google Book) says that he knew Takashima personally and discussed divination with him. Much valuable information in this brief entry.
Hmmm, interesting the U.Va volume doesn't appear in the Worldcat... Yes, I read the Hastings ref this morning when I was looking for the book in Google Books. Very intriguing, indeed. Perhaps you went that far but there are whole Japanese sites dedicated to it and even family feuds claiming lineage to Takashima, etc. That's why I assumed that the Japanese may have something to say about it. But what's amazing is the lack of good presence in public/university libraries.
 

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Luis, I think I'm mistaken that the author of this entry was Hastings himself. When I get the chance I'll try to find who took those lessons. The author may have written other accounts about experiences with Takashima. I spent many hours with Hastings Encyclopedia as a teenager, but if I read this entry, I've forgotten it.

Takashima's prison meditations remind me of King Wen. If he studied the standard text, this suggests his approach is orthodox (not najia). Hope Maverickcc will tell us.
 

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And perhaps not. That forum seems to be some sort of "benign" Yijing Triad, with secrecy oaths and all. Am starting to wonder if all the Chinese that study the Yijing think all Western students are completely clueless and go no further than flipping coins and wishing for the best. And my assessment goes beyond the obvious language barrier exhibited by our friend here, mind you... :D
 

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Luis, I think I'm mistaken that the author of this entry was Hastings himself. When I get the chance I'll try to find who took those lessons. The author may have written other accounts about experiences with Takashima. I spent many hours with Hastings Encyclopedia as a teenager, but if I read this entry, I've forgotten it.

Takashima's prison meditations remind me of King Wen. If he studied the standard text, this suggests his approach is orthodox (not najia). Hope Maverickcc will tell us.
The great disadvantage of I Ching is, it is so short compare to the Bible, and one can not use it to escape from the prison. (See "The Shawshank Redemption").

One of our senior said, Takashima's book made him feel like a child and learn the whole precious experience from his Grand Father. Years of wisdom definitely can not be something as Najia(纳甲).

The following two links are discussions of Takashima on our Forum, yet all in Chinese.
http://bbs.64gua.com/read-htm-tid-408547.html
http://bbs.64gua.com/read-htm-tid-80524.html

I also have the Chinese version of the book, (Chinese and Japanese can communicate with each other by writing 100years ago)but it is the scan version and you can not copy and paste them into Google Translation.

If you want, please send me an E-mail:
worldofiching_at_gmail_dot_com

Best
 

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And perhaps not. That forum seems to be some sort of "benign" Yijing Triad, with secrecy oaths and all. Am starting to wonder if all the Chinese that study the Yijing think all Western students are completely clueless and go no further than flipping coins and wishing for the best. And my assessment goes beyond the obvious language barrier exhibited by our friend here, mind you... :D
Dear Sparhawk

I highly respect your effort on learning I Ching. I my opinion, as I Ching is the origin of Chinese culture, you can study and enjoy it in any way you want. However, I highly doubt that you really understand it without learn Chinese, because you may definitely lose the feeling.

If you do not agree with me, could you explain me your understanding of Hex 3, First line:

▅▅ ▅▅
▅▅▅▅▅
▅▅ ▅▅
▅▅ ▅▅
▅▅ ▅▅
▅▅▅▅▅

 初九:磐桓;利居贞,利建侯。

And translate it with the beginning :

First Nine(First line): = ....... ?

;)
 

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Hmm... interesting theory, that Sparhawk doesn't read Chinese ;) .

Welcome to the forum, thank you for crossing the language barrier, and for bringing the good news about Google! I'll update my site's links page, as it looks like the old link I had to 64gua was broken.
 

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Hmm... interesting theory, that Sparhawk doesn't read Chinese ;) .

Welcome to the forum, thank you for crossing the language barrier, and for bringing the good news about Google! I'll update my site's links page, as it looks like the old link I had to 64gua was broken.
Dear Hilary:

I highly appreciate your years of work on establish the website.
I have contacted to my Master, he said the introduction of forum was about 6 years, unfortunately, our International forum failed afterwards.

Our forum has made a large change last week, and from then we just start our International forum again. This time it is me who take the responsibility on that.

We will renew our introduction soon. Could you please change the link of our website directly to our international forum? And use the name: I Ching World (周易天地 Zhouyi Tiandi);instead of 64gua?

Thank you very much.

Best wishes.

Yours sincerely, Maverickcc
 

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 初九:磐桓;利居贞,利建侯。

And translate it with the beginning :

First Nine(First line): = ....... ?

;)
And why should I translate it when I can keep it as it is?

I think you are presuming too much about what I know and what I don't. Not a good way to make new friends, IMO.
 

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Dear Hilary:

I highly appreciate your years of work on establish the website.
I have contacted to my Master, he said the introduction of forum was about 6 years, unfortunately, our International forum failed afterwards.

Our forum has made a large change last week, and from then we just start our International forum again. This time it is me who take the responsibility on that.

We will renew our introduction soon. Could you please change the link of our website directly to our international forum? And use the name: I Ching World (周易天地 Zhouyi Tiandi);instead of 64gua?

Thank you very much.

Best wishes.

Yours sincerely, Maverickcc
OK - done.
 

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Hello Maverick,

Perhaps you might return the favour by giving us your interpretation of Hex 56,3 > 35

The wanderer's inn burns down. He loses the steadfastness of his young servant. Danger - Wilhelm

Wilhelm's commentary includes - "A truculent stranger does not know how to behave properly...when a stranger in a strange land has no one left on whom he can rely, the situation becomes very dangerous."

Hex 56, Ken below Li. In a strange land a stranger is urged to keep still, observe and learn. One of the most respected qualities of your ancestors was their esteem for modesty, and behaviour in accordance with accepted customs and practice. In an unfamiliar situation it pays not to jump to any immodest assumptions.

The Clarity membership includes members with decades of study and experience with the I Ching. Some are completely fluent in Mandarin, many have a basic working knowledge. Some focus on the intuitive interpretation of divination, some focus on the structural and metaphysical aspects of the I Ching, placing it within a wider philosophical context. If your first impression of Clarity has been received primarily from 'Shared Readings' then you might very understandably have not fully appreciated the wider resources and depth of the site. If I might suggest, it would be beneficial to explore the site more fully and look at some of the topics covered in earlier threads in 'Exploring Divination.'

I'm sure that I speak for others when I say that you are still very, very welcome to Clarity, but please take time to explore the rich depth of knowledge and experience that is available. Then you will be able to participate in the site from a more informed position.

Best Wishes,

Peter


By the way: 'Shared Readings' is our version of a secret name. Its what we call an acronym and stands for SHould Ave Read Everything Differently. :)
 

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And why should I translate it when I can keep it as it is?

I think you are presuming too much about what I know and what I don't. Not a good way to make new friends, IMO.
Dear Sparhawk:

I should apologize for make you angry on that. What I want do is to better communicate with you and share ideas. If it make you feel me offensive, I promise I will never do that again.

Sorry for that.

Best wishes.

Yours sincerely

Maverickcc
 

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The author in Hastings Encyclopedia who took lessons from Takashima is the scholar Michel Revon.
 

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I used Google to search "I Ching Forum", and I appreciate the first result:)

I am maverickcc, a Ph.D student now studying in DKFZ, Germany now, came from China Mainland. In the I Ching field, I am the Advance Moderator(Level 8, Level 1 is the big boss) of I Ching World Forum(周易天地论坛 http://bbs.64gua.com) in China. This is a 10-year old I Ching Forum, and has an intact history of 6 years. (The second longest has the history of 3 years) For the last 2 years, we have used the network to teach and spread the I Ching related cultures and divination methods, over 500 students participated in. Step by step, we are going to accumulate our knowledge and talents.

I have briefly read the Introductory I Ching Course, by Hilary J Barrett(2004) in this forum, it is really a great introduction for ones do not speak Chinese, yet not sufficient.

As you may all know, the I Ching is the most important and classical culture book from China, it is not only a book for divination, but also the origin of all other Chinese culture. During the last thousand years of history, China mainland has been invaded several times, but the invaders all became to learn Chinese. We lost the war, but we never lost the culture.

Unfortunately, since 1978, there was a horrible nightmare in China mainland, which called: Great Culture Revolution. During that time, we lost lots of important culture treasures, even now we still not came out from the shadow of it. You may found I Ching is not easy to understand, even for we Chinese. I did not want to admit, but the truth is, the most excellent book of I Ching I have ever read, is named as"Gaodao I Ching Divination"(高岛易经心解) by a japanese 100 hundred years ago. We also have the responsibility to do better.:)

For some reasons, people in China mainland can not access websites such as Youtube/Twitter/Blogspot, et,al. Even for our forum, we still suffer the dangerous to be shut down suddenly, without any reason. And we should not talk about "sensitive words". I am here today, not only for the sharing of our culture, but also try to find ways keep the full version of our knowledges.

The link of I Ching World International is:
http://bbs.64gua.com/thread.php?fid=207

In case the system language is Chinese, you may not easily to sign up:) I will come here if I have time and answer your relevant questions.(In this forum, not 64gua) As not everyone in China can understand English well, our purpose is to establish a none gap communicate platform, I also need your help on that.

Thank you for your patience.
Best wishes.

Yours sincerely, Maverickcc
welcome, maverickcc. Very kind of you to want to teach us, we are all here for learning. But you should not underestimate all the learning and new ways the yi and western schoolars took since it was introduced in the west. I understand you know your basics very well. Then you also know the yi does not take shape and sides, the yi is easy, even in the west. When you are living and working for years and years with the yi it is something you gradually learn in the course of time. Even for those who do nor speak chinese.
I have been working on a painting for a long time. The painting still is not finished. The size is 150x200cm and the working-title is "touching china". It is all about how we have to learn to touch eachother, without evoking our resentments, hates, fears and cultural blind eyes. That is our task, to learn to touch eachothers china, our scars, our wounds, learn to forgive and have compassion. That is a bloody hard task, looking at our histories.
 

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Hello Maverick,

Perhaps you might return the favour by giving us your interpretation of Hex 56,3 > 35

The wanderer's inn burns down. He loses the steadfastness of his young servant. Danger - Wilhelm

Wilhelm's commentary includes - "A truculent stranger does not know how to behave properly...when a stranger in a strange land has no one left on whom he can rely, the situation becomes very dangerous."

Hex 56, Ken below Li. In a strange land a stranger is urged to keep still, observe and learn. One of the most respected qualities of your ancestors was their esteem for modesty, and behaviour in accordance with accepted customs and practice. In an unfamiliar situation it pays not to jump to any immodest assumptions.

The Clarity membership includes members with decades of study and experience with the I Ching. Some are completely fluent in Mandarin, many have a basic working knowledge. Some focus on the intuitive interpretation of divination, some focus on the structural and metaphysical aspects of the I Ching, placing it within a wider philosophical context. If your first impression of Clarity has been received primarily from 'Shared Readings' then you might very understandably have not fully appreciated the wider resources and depth of the site. If I might suggest, it would be beneficial to explore the site more fully and look at some of the topics covered in earlier threads in 'Exploring Divination.'

I'm sure that I speak for others when I say that you are still very, very welcome to Clarity, but please take time to explore the rich depth of knowledge and experience that is available. Then you will be able to participate in the site from a more informed position.

Best Wishes,

Peter


By the way: 'Shared Readings' is our version of a secret name. Its what we call an acronym and stands for SHould Ave Read Everything Differently. :)
Dear Peter:

Thank you for your kindness remind. It should be my fault not have expressed my purpose here clearly. On the first day I learnt I Ching, my master have told us: you should show the respect and learn from anyone you meet. I am here, is to share the ideas with you, but not to judge your way of learn, or force you to accept our method. However, we should also learn from you, that is a very important aspect.

I have come here not longer than a week, so I did not have enough time to view the forum all. However, I have been moved by all of you here:
For the I Ching learners and researchers, all of you really knew more than I expect, some of the topic took me really long time to read and learn a lot;
For the ones who ask for the divinations, they all describe their questions as clear as possible, and willing to feedback.
All of you greatly take the responsibility of your own, I really love here. So my answer to you, is not Hex 56,3 -> Hex35, but should be Hex 2,3->Hex 15. I am sure you will get what I mean. :)

Here, I will come to your question, and show briefly how I explain Hex 56,3 -> Hex35, as show in the following. I have not learnt your way to say Hex here, I hope it is not so hard to read. :) If you have any comments, please let me know. Thank you.

离宫:火山旅        乾宫:火地晋(游魂)
伏  神*【本  卦】          【变  卦】
       ▄▄▄▄▄ 兄弟己巳火      ▄▄▄▄▄ 兄弟己巳火  
       ▄▄**▄▄ 子孙己未土      ▄▄**▄▄ 子孙己未土  
      ▄▄▄▄▄ 妻财己酉金 应    ▄▄▄▄▄ 妻财己酉金 世
官鬼己亥水 ▄▄▄▄▄ 妻财丙申金  O->   ▄▄**▄▄ 父母乙卯木  
      ▄▄**▄▄ 兄弟丙午火      ▄▄**▄▄ 兄弟乙巳火  
 父母己卯木 ▄▄**▄▄ 子孙丙辰土 世    ▄▄**▄▄ 子孙乙未土 应

旅 卦   大过卦   晋 卦   节 卦   丰 卦
  
▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆ ▆

▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆
  
▆▆▆   ▆▆▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆
  
▆▆▆ ☉ ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆

▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆
  
▆ ▆   ▆ ▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆▆▆
  
[主卦]    [互卦]    [变卦]    [错卦]    [综卦] 

《易经》第五十六卦 旅 火山旅 离上艮下 *

  旅:小亨,旅贞吉。彖曰:旅,小亨,柔得中乎外,而顺乎刚,止而丽乎明,是以小亨,旅贞吉也。 旅之时义大矣哉!象曰:山上有火,旅;君子以明慎用刑,而不留狱。
  初六:旅琐琐,斯其所取灾。
  象曰:旅琐琐,志穷灾也。
  六二:旅即次,怀其资,得童仆贞。
  象曰:得童仆贞,终无尤也。
  九三:旅焚其次,丧其童仆,贞厉。
  象曰:旅焚其次,亦以伤矣。 以旅与下,其义丧也。
  九四:旅于处,得其资斧,我心不快。
  象曰:旅于处,未得位也。 得其资斧,心未快也。
  六五:射雉一矢亡,终以誉命。
  象曰:终以誉命,上逮也。
  上九:鸟焚其巢,旅人先笑后号啕。 丧牛于易,凶。
  象曰:以旅在上,其义焚也。 丧牛于易,终莫之闻也。

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=7925
Hex 56, 旅(lv), as the name of the hex said, it means: wander(er). As you may familiar with, it means wander out from home, and lack the love from family. In the 纳甲(Najia)way of Hex 56, the parents are not appeared on that. Parents are someone might help you. No parents, no one help. And wandering outside, no friends, really feel lonely and bad.

旅:小亨,旅贞吉。
Lv, For small things, divination 旅 get good result. Why it says good? Because it is for the "small things". Small things are good, but for a project, it will not like that.

First, it is a lonely hex: lack of the love from family, no friends, wandering outside. So it is not something like a journey to Pairs or Maldives. Feel lonely in heart, so one will search for an inn, to make the feeling not so lonely. It is often not a really inn, but an inn of the heart.

Always, the Hex tells a continuos story:
* 六二:旅即次,怀其资,得童仆贞。
  象曰:得童仆贞,终无尤也。
  九三:旅焚其次,丧其童仆,贞厉。
  象曰:旅焚其次,亦以伤矣。 以旅与下,其义丧也。
Six Two: wander to the inn, have the money, get the young servant, good.
Nine Three: the inn is fired, lost the young servant, dangerous.

Six Two(Line 2) and Nine Three(Line 3), are of the same history: at the beginning, one get the servant; however, some other has fired the inn, so the servant lost.

The tendency of Hex 56, is the tendency of the current situation.

From First six, bad things always happened; Six Two(Line 2), get the servant; Nine Three(Line 3), lost the servant; Nine Four(Line 4), get some money and the axe, but one do not happy on that(Because they are not comparable to the servant); Six Five(Line 5): get the pheasant by only one shoot, good situation; Up Nine(Line 6): Get the good situation, but do not really take the value seriously, finally, nearly lost everything, become to lonely again. Horrible.

For the simple divination of Hex 56,3 -> Hex 35, we can see it is really a horrible step. Now, what is the strategy to get out of it?

From that, we can see the outline of Hex 56 is lonely wander. Remember, the upper part of Hex 56 is fire/eyes/beauty/;lower part is mountain/dog/stop. Fire/beauty is up/outside, mountain/stop is low/inside. You can imagine, when someone have seen beautiful things, they make him stop moving and enjoy them. So the first important part, is to take care not to be confused but think really carefully. And the other important thing, is to learn from lesson suffered before, not simply feel horrible.

To find a way to get out the situation, we should analyze the future tendency and the reason:

Please see these parts:

旅 卦   大过卦   晋 卦   节 卦   丰 卦
  
▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆ ▆

▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆
  
▆▆▆   ▆▆▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆
  
▆▆▆ ☉ ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆

▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆ ▆
  
▆ ▆   ▆ ▆   ▆ ▆   ▆▆▆   ▆▆▆
  
[主卦]    [互卦]    [变卦]    [错卦]    [综卦] 

The third one 变卦 is Hex 35, which as you all know, indicate the future result. The Hex 35 means going upwards. The upper part is Fire/beauty; and the lower part is Earth/People. It becomes people to see the show of the beauty. But after all it is the future, we should on the current situation.

The core of the lonely, the origin of the horrible situation is indicated by the 互卦(the second one).

Hex 28.
泽风大过
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▅▅ ▅▅ 

Hex 28, talk about the whole life of the house beam. The basic situation of Hex 28, is the problem come to the most horrible situation, and the beam can not afford it. It is definitely the most pressure and painful Hex. Yang Yao are all inside, and one of the Yin Yao is upside, the other is downside. The up part of Hex 28 is lake, the low part is grass wood, which both are soft. However, the main bodies (Line 2,3,4,5)are all Yang: the best place was been distorted to build high buildings, for the grass part is artificially, not the shape they originally looks like. But the important Line 2 and Line 5 are of the core of the hex, are both Yang Yao, which willing to make changes, to get out of the pressure. But still, the pressure is too high for the grass.

From here, we know the core reason is one can not afford the high pressure.

错卦(Changed Yang to Yin and Yin to Yang of Hex 56):节卦 (Fourth Hex, Hex 60, Limitation)
水泽节
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Hex 60 talk about the problem of attitude: Why come to the current situation? Limitation, is to take control of oneself, do something regularly. However, the more one take control, the real feeling can not be expressed. So the Hex says:

苦节不可贞。
Painful limitation, can not goes long.

It is also problem to be over controlled. How to release the pressure? Probably no way, so it said: painful limitation, can not goes lone.

But, we should see the hope, from the opposite direction of the situation:

综卦(Take the Hex 56 upside down):丰卦(Hex 55, Abundance)
雷火丰  
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Hex 55, is a hex of harvest. although the current situation is horrible, lonely and pressure, but see from out side:

丰:亨,王假之,勿忧,宜日中。

Abundance: good, do not worry, you are young and strong, and will have a lot of opportunities in the future.

So, the strategy is: one should review his strong points more, instead of the weakness. Be more confidence. From the current situation, you will learn a lot, and become stronger.

Fin.

It really takes lots of time, I really have over estimated my efficiency for that. By far it took me more than 4 hours to make the brief description.

Thank you for your patience and future comments. :)

P.S. I will probably postpone the schedule to show the example of Hex 3, and focused on my exam next week. Which means, I can not do something like this for a time, but I will still take time to go through the forum and learn deeper.

Willing to discuss with you all.

Best wishes.

Yours sincerely, maverickcc.
 
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welcome, maverickcc. Very kind of you to want to teach us, we are all here for learning. But you should not underestimate all the learning and new ways the yi and western schoolars took since it was introduced in the west. I understand you know your basics very well. Then you also know the yi does not take shape and sides, the yi is easy, even in the west. When you are living and working for years and years with the yi it is something you gradually learn in the course of time. Even for those who do nor speak chinese.
I have been working on a painting for a long time. The painting still is not finished. The size is 150x200cm and the working-title is "touching china". It is all about how we have to learn to touch eachother, without evoking our resentments, hates, fears and cultural blind eyes. That is our task, to learn to touch eachothers china, our scars, our wounds, learn to forgive and have compassion. That is a bloody hard task, looking at our histories.
Dear Jilt:
Very nice picture. From which I can see you really put your heart and spirit on that. I really appreciate that and I will learn that from you. :)

For your comments, I have also answered in the reply to Peter, I am here not to teach you, but to share the ideas, even learn from you. I respect all of you here, and do not underestimate your effort, attitude, behaviors, benefits and willingness.

It is my fault not have expressed my point clearly.

Thank you for your kindness remind.

Best wishes.

Yours sincerely, maverickcc
 
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just some questions

Poor Maverick hasn't yet learned that Luis is from the eastern US, New Jersey, and is intimately knowledgeable of eastern New Jersey thought and linguistics, and that people from New Jersey know everything!

:D (also from NJ, btw)

To Maverick: How much has your language changed from the earliest known time of the development of the Yijing? How do you reckon with translating and then interpreting your own language from such an earlier time? Is it foreign or familiar to modern Chinese every-day thinking and living?

Does the Yijing present any thought which is not common to every person, regardless of where they live or what language they speak? I believe not. Perhaps it is that the Yi has been my companion for over 40 years, that I assume all which is in the book is also in everything and everyone which clings to this earth. People become aware of it through different experiences with it; it being the nature of life. How does one rise to attain the nature of life? What level or rank can one hold in the nature of life? How is merit measured, and by whose and what standard? Is it tested and measured at the mind level or the heart level, or the gut level? At what level does someone understand their own wisest words, or acknowledge their own foolishness, perhaps both at once! Ones own master is all one needs.
 

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Poor Maverick hasn't yet learned that Luis is from the eastern US, New Jersey, and is intimately knowledgeable of eastern New Jersey thought and linguistics, and that people from New Jersey know everything!

:D (also from NJ, btw)
You bet I do, and throw in there Spanglish too! Hey, I was production's first choice but when I refused, in kindness to the other participants, they hired Snooki... :rofl:
 

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Poor Maverick hasn't yet learned that Luis is from the eastern US, New Jersey, and is intimately knowledgeable of eastern New Jersey thought and linguistics, and that people from New Jersey know everything!

:D (also from NJ, btw)

To Maverick: How much has your language changed from the earliest known time of the development of the Yijing? How do you reckon with translating and then interpreting your own language from such an earlier time? Is it foreign or familiar to modern Chinese every-day thinking and living?

Does the Yijing present any thought which is not common to every person, regardless of where they live or what language they speak? I believe not. Perhaps it is that the Yi has been my companion for over 40 years, that I assume all which is in the book is also in everything and everyone which clings to this earth. People become aware of it through different experiences with it; it being the nature of life. How does one rise to attain the nature of life? What level or rank can one hold in the nature of life? How is merit measured, and by whose and what standard? Is it tested and measured at the mind level or the heart level, or the gut level? At what level does someone understand their own wisest words, or acknowledge their own foolishness, perhaps both at once! Ones own master is all one needs.
Dear Sooo:

40 years is quite a long time, my master even not older than 35, and probably you are as twice old as I am.

From your reply, I can see that you are quite familiar with the 十翼/易大传(Ten winds/Da Chuan), definitely better than I do, I can not recite them all ever since.

That would be cool if you really know everything, and you will know the main text of I Ching is 3000 years old, but not even a single character has been added or changed, even with the dramatically changed of our own language.

During my high school time, our Chinese course is mainly focused on the language and grammar over 2000 years ago. It is really a foreign language for us: I have never failed my English, but I failed 3 times of my Chinese. At that time, I really hate that, but now I know it is really a important experience for me.

From your questions, I can see you mainly focused on how one read and understand YiJing. It is really can not be judged by others, if you really had read the original text. And, come to how you use during your daily life, it is your own freedom. However, the name of Hex, in the Chinese character, is 卦 or 掛.

For the Character 掛, the left part is one's hand(手); the middle part is(圭), you can image it looks like a ruler; the right part(卜), it looks like a pillar with shadow. From which, you can see, one hex basically means people use the ruler to study the shadow. It can be extended the view it is how the way people study the nature. So, you can see it is not only about the understanding and feeling of the people their own, but also about the nature: Space, and Time, equally.

The author of 十翼/易大传(Ten winds/Da Chuan) is Confucius, he started to study Yijing after his 50th. But he said:

假我数年,若是,我于《易》则彬彬矣。
If I have more years, I can understand Yijing better.

He himself admitted he can not understand Yijing well, but he wrote the Ten Winds. Now we should all read his Ten Winds to understand Yijing, so who else can say he will be the standard?

However, it is well accepted that the Ten Winds is the understand on the view of human, not on the space and time. That is why we said, it will not be sufficient to understand Yijing only based on Ten Winds. We always said that: one should do something on proper situation and proper time, then one can success. For example: Fish can only lived in water, but not land, because the space(environment) is not suitable for them; When you plant seeds in early Spring, you will harvest in Fall, but if you plant in summer, no matter how good care you take of them, you will get nothing, because the time is wrong.

Probably you have known, but I did not found that on this forum: most of the questions came to the forum omitted the time of asking the questions, which is of essential importance. And I did not find clear explain for the description of time on Yijing here.

For example:

Hex2:
坤: 利西南得朋,东北丧朋。
Good to make friends/fortune/couple in South-West, yet will lose in East-North.
This is a statement of space.

Hex 19:
临: 至于八月有凶。
It will come to misfortune on month Eight.
This is a statement of time.

Actually, you may know, every Hex has its own symbol of space and time, which can not be changed by any person.

On the view of human, the statement of I Ching can be understood from any aspect, by any one lived in the world, no problem. But, when comes to the space and time, as far as we know, it is still an open question:

How to describe the direction and time by I Ching when comes to the south part of the earth?
The time 10:00 Am 13th,Aug in New J, is equals to the 10:00 Am 13th, Aug, or 12th, Aug?

Why we start to open our International Version, is to mainly answer the above 2 questions.

According to our plan, it will take us a very long time to accumulate the data(Divination and Fengshui Samples) and analyze them before come to the conclusion. That is why I take all of your questions seriously, and willing to learn from you.

But, if you really know the answer, could you show us some examples how you understand this?

I should highly appreciate your kindness help.

Thank you for your comments and sharing ideas.

Best wishes.

Yours sincerely, Maverickcc
 
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Hex 19:
临: 至于八月有凶。
It will come to misfortune on month Eight.
This is a statement of time.

Actually, you may know, every Hex has its own symbol of space and time, which can not be changed by any person.

On the view of human, the statement of I Ching can be understood from any aspect, by any one lived in the world, no problem. But, when comes to the space and time, as far as we know, it is still an open question:

How to describe the direction and time by I Ching when comes to the south part of the earth?
The time 10:00 Am 13th,Aug in New J, is equals to the 10:00 Am 13th, Aug, or 12th, Aug?
Hi Maverick

I don't disagree with what you say because there are things I don't know and things I don't understand yet, but I have a personal experience to share fwiw.

Once I asked Yi a" when" question and got hex 19. Facts proved that Yi couldn't be more accourate, I actually got the excact date!

Maria
 

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