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高岛 Takashima.. . . the most excellent book of I Ching I have ever read, is named as"Gaodao I Ching Divination"(高岛易经心解) by a japanese 100 hundred years ago.
Hi maverickcc. I am living in China at the moment, I love it here. Although I have the acquaintance of a man in my city who was apparently the favoured student of the last foremost expert on BaGua systems in China, his english is pretty bad and so is my mandarin - for now, anyway.maverickcc said:I am maverickcc, a Ph.D student now studying in DKFZ, Germany now, came from China Mainland.
I will come here if I have time and answer your relevant questions.
Most elusive book, The Takashima Ekidan is... and only one library in Germany has it listed as available.高岛 Takashima.
" In 1886 English and Chinese translations of “Takashima Divination” were published and consequently the Takashima Divination was established."
There's one at U.Va. too.Most elusive book, The Takashima Ekidan is...
Dear Erime:Hi maverickcc. I am living in China at the moment, I love it here. Although I have the acquaintance of a man in my city who was apparently the favoured student of the last foremost expert on BaGua systems in China, his english is pretty bad and so is my mandarin - for now, anyway.
I am wondering whether you are aware of an explanation for the King Wen Yijing sequence - why the 64 hexagrams are put in mysterious order that they are? I am working on producing my own logical explanation, but I am wondering whether the chinese have had one already that the West are not aware of?
This obscure book [I Ching], indeed, just because of its divinatory character, was one of the first Chinese works to be introduced into Japan (in A.D. 553, according to the Nihongi, . . .) and it became the basis of the system of divination in use at present. Takashima Kaemon, who was the most celebrated diviner in modern Japan, took this work as the foundation for his art; when he was only a student, he was put in prison for some youthful misdemeanour, and, having nothing but this ancient classic beside him, he discovered the secret of the meditations which brought success to his brilliant career. The present writer frequently had occasion to meet this diviner, to hear from his own mouth an account of his most ingenious consultations, and even to receive his lessons, and he can say that, if the principles of the system are doubtful, its individual results are often wonderful: the value of divination is in proportion to the skill of the diviner, and the lucky financier of Kanagawa, the able promoter of so many new schemes, was always a prudent man who could see far ahead. As Chamberlain says (Things Japanese, Lond. 1898, p.112), Takashima, after studying the Yih-king, realized a fortune by obedience to its precepts; but there are many Japanese, even in the highest grades of society, who also profited by his wide experience of men and things; one has only to read the Takashima Ekidan of Shigetake Sugiura (Tokyo, 1893) to get a good estimate, from numerous examples, of the penetration of his mind and the wisdom of his counsel. . . .
Google digitized the U.Va copy, and it looks to me that U.Va is the one responsible for Google not being able to display it.I suppose the Japanese have a tight grip on the rights of the book, although it was published in English in 1893 and, by all intents and purposes, the copyright "should" have expired long ago.
Hmmm, interesting the U.Va volume doesn't appear in the Worldcat... Yes, I read the Hastings ref this morning when I was looking for the book in Google Books. Very intriguing, indeed. Perhaps you went that far but there are whole Japanese sites dedicated to it and even family feuds claiming lineage to Takashima, etc. That's why I assumed that the Japanese may have something to say about it. But what's amazing is the lack of good presence in public/university libraries.There's one at U.Va. too.
James Hastings in his Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (Google Book) says that he knew Takashima personally and discussed divination with him. Much valuable information in this brief entry.
The great disadvantage of I Ching is, it is so short compare to the Bible, and one can not use it to escape from the prison. (See "The Shawshank Redemption").Luis, I think I'm mistaken that the author of this entry was Hastings himself. When I get the chance I'll try to find who took those lessons. The author may have written other accounts about experiences with Takashima. I spent many hours with Hastings Encyclopedia as a teenager, but if I read this entry, I've forgotten it.
Takashima's prison meditations remind me of King Wen. If he studied the standard text, this suggests his approach is orthodox (not najia). Hope Maverickcc will tell us.
Dear SparhawkAnd perhaps not. That forum seems to be some sort of "benign" Yijing Triad, with secrecy oaths and all. Am starting to wonder if all the Chinese that study the Yijing think all Western students are completely clueless and go no further than flipping coins and wishing for the best. And my assessment goes beyond the obvious language barrier exhibited by our friend here, mind you...
Dear Hilary:Hmm... interesting theory, that Sparhawk doesn't read Chinese .
Welcome to the forum, thank you for crossing the language barrier, and for bringing the good news about Google! I'll update my site's links page, as it looks like the old link I had to 64gua was broken.
OK - done.Dear Hilary:
I highly appreciate your years of work on establish the website.
I have contacted to my Master, he said the introduction of forum was about 6 years, unfortunately, our International forum failed afterwards.
Our forum has made a large change last week, and from then we just start our International forum again. This time it is me who take the responsibility on that.
We will renew our introduction soon. Could you please change the link of our website directly to our international forum? And use the name: I Ching World (周易天地 Zhouyi Tiandi)；instead of 64gua?
Thank you very much.
Yours sincerely, Maverickcc
Dear Sparhawk:And why should I translate it when I can keep it as it is?
I think you are presuming too much about what I know and what I don't. Not a good way to make new friends, IMO.
welcome, maverickcc. Very kind of you to want to teach us, we are all here for learning. But you should not underestimate all the learning and new ways the yi and western schoolars took since it was introduced in the west. I understand you know your basics very well. Then you also know the yi does not take shape and sides, the yi is easy, even in the west. When you are living and working for years and years with the yi it is something you gradually learn in the course of time. Even for those who do nor speak chinese.I used Google to search "I Ching Forum", and I appreciate the first result
I am maverickcc, a Ph.D student now studying in DKFZ, Germany now, came from China Mainland. In the I Ching field, I am the Advance Moderator(Level 8, Level 1 is the big boss) of I Ching World Forum(周易天地论坛 http://bbs.64gua.com) in China. This is a 10-year old I Ching Forum, and has an intact history of 6 years. (The second longest has the history of 3 years) For the last 2 years, we have used the network to teach and spread the I Ching related cultures and divination methods, over 500 students participated in. Step by step, we are going to accumulate our knowledge and talents.
I have briefly read the Introductory I Ching Course, by Hilary J Barrett(2004) in this forum, it is really a great introduction for ones do not speak Chinese, yet not sufficient.
As you may all know, the I Ching is the most important and classical culture book from China, it is not only a book for divination, but also the origin of all other Chinese culture. During the last thousand years of history, China mainland has been invaded several times, but the invaders all became to learn Chinese. We lost the war, but we never lost the culture.
Unfortunately, since 1978, there was a horrible nightmare in China mainland, which called: Great Culture Revolution. During that time, we lost lots of important culture treasures, even now we still not came out from the shadow of it. You may found I Ching is not easy to understand, even for we Chinese. I did not want to admit, but the truth is, the most excellent book of I Ching I have ever read, is named as"Gaodao I Ching Divination"(高岛易经心解) by a japanese 100 hundred years ago. We also have the responsibility to do better.
For some reasons, people in China mainland can not access websites such as Youtube/Twitter/Blogspot, et,al. Even for our forum, we still suffer the dangerous to be shut down suddenly, without any reason. And we should not talk about "sensitive words". I am here today, not only for the sharing of our culture, but also try to find ways keep the full version of our knowledges.
The link of I Ching World International is:
In case the system language is Chinese, you may not easily to sign up I will come here if I have time and answer your relevant questions.(In this forum, not 64gua) As not everyone in China can understand English well, our purpose is to establish a none gap communicate platform, I also need your help on that.
Thank you for your patience.
Yours sincerely, Maverickcc
Dear Peter:Hello Maverick,
Perhaps you might return the favour by giving us your interpretation of Hex 56,3 > 35
The wanderer's inn burns down. He loses the steadfastness of his young servant. Danger - Wilhelm
Wilhelm's commentary includes - "A truculent stranger does not know how to behave properly...when a stranger in a strange land has no one left on whom he can rely, the situation becomes very dangerous."
Hex 56, Ken below Li. In a strange land a stranger is urged to keep still, observe and learn. One of the most respected qualities of your ancestors was their esteem for modesty, and behaviour in accordance with accepted customs and practice. In an unfamiliar situation it pays not to jump to any immodest assumptions.
The Clarity membership includes members with decades of study and experience with the I Ching. Some are completely fluent in Mandarin, many have a basic working knowledge. Some focus on the intuitive interpretation of divination, some focus on the structural and metaphysical aspects of the I Ching, placing it within a wider philosophical context. If your first impression of Clarity has been received primarily from 'Shared Readings' then you might very understandably have not fully appreciated the wider resources and depth of the site. If I might suggest, it would be beneficial to explore the site more fully and look at some of the topics covered in earlier threads in 'Exploring Divination.'
I'm sure that I speak for others when I say that you are still very, very welcome to Clarity, but please take time to explore the rich depth of knowledge and experience that is available. Then you will be able to participate in the site from a more informed position.
By the way: 'Shared Readings' is our version of a secret name. Its what we call an acronym and stands for SHould Ave Read Everything Differently.
Dear Jilt:welcome, maverickcc. Very kind of you to want to teach us, we are all here for learning. But you should not underestimate all the learning and new ways the yi and western schoolars took since it was introduced in the west. I understand you know your basics very well. Then you also know the yi does not take shape and sides, the yi is easy, even in the west. When you are living and working for years and years with the yi it is something you gradually learn in the course of time. Even for those who do nor speak chinese.
I have been working on a painting for a long time. The painting still is not finished. The size is 150x200cm and the working-title is "touching china". It is all about how we have to learn to touch eachother, without evoking our resentments, hates, fears and cultural blind eyes. That is our task, to learn to touch eachothers china, our scars, our wounds, learn to forgive and have compassion. That is a bloody hard task, looking at our histories.
You bet I do, and throw in there Spanglish too! Hey, I was production's first choice but when I refused, in kindness to the other participants, they hired Snooki...Poor Maverick hasn't yet learned that Luis is from the eastern US, New Jersey, and is intimately knowledgeable of eastern New Jersey thought and linguistics, and that people from New Jersey know everything!
(also from NJ, btw)
Dear Sooo:Poor Maverick hasn't yet learned that Luis is from the eastern US, New Jersey, and is intimately knowledgeable of eastern New Jersey thought and linguistics, and that people from New Jersey know everything!
(also from NJ, btw)
To Maverick: How much has your language changed from the earliest known time of the development of the Yijing? How do you reckon with translating and then interpreting your own language from such an earlier time? Is it foreign or familiar to modern Chinese every-day thinking and living?
Does the Yijing present any thought which is not common to every person, regardless of where they live or what language they speak? I believe not. Perhaps it is that the Yi has been my companion for over 40 years, that I assume all which is in the book is also in everything and everyone which clings to this earth. People become aware of it through different experiences with it; it being the nature of life. How does one rise to attain the nature of life? What level or rank can one hold in the nature of life? How is merit measured, and by whose and what standard? Is it tested and measured at the mind level or the heart level, or the gut level? At what level does someone understand their own wisest words, or acknowledge their own foolishness, perhaps both at once! Ones own master is all one needs.
Hi MaverickHex 19:
It will come to misfortune on month Eight.
This is a statement of time.
Actually, you may know, every Hex has its own symbol of space and time, which can not be changed by any person.
On the view of human, the statement of I Ching can be understood from any aspect, by any one lived in the world, no problem. But, when comes to the space and time, as far as we know, it is still an open question:
How to describe the direction and time by I Ching when comes to the south part of the earth?
The time 10:00 Am 13th,Aug in New J, is equals to the 10:00 Am 13th, Aug, or 12th, Aug?
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