Hex 48 & 56.2.5>44 about what I need to do...plus Hex 31 & 12

[sofia]

Hello again fellow seekers

I asked the IC today

"What do I need to do, that I haven't already done, in order to make this happen?"
and I got Hex 48 unchanging.

I asked the IC to clarify this further (I do this to get a clearer interpretation of the reading) and I got 56.2.5 changing to 44

I took 56.2.5 to mean that I am meant to go out and find new friends and support and 48 to mean that I am meant to foster relationships with people on a deep level......kind of the same thing??

So to make sure I was on the right path I asked the IC...

"So do I need to make new friends and gain their support?"
and I got Hex 31 unchanging which I took to mean yes, go out and woo some new people???

So I then asked, "How/where do I find these new friends and support?" and I got Hex 12 unchanging Huh! That totally threw me since 12 is about obstruction or stagnation or standing still.......

Any assistance interpreting the readings would be most appreciated, especially the last two questions with the hex 31 and 12 responses.

thanks as always
Sofia :bows:

 

[sofia]

Anyone??

 

[sofia]

Why haven't they answered? Dunno, but sometimes lack of information in the posing of a question puts people right to sleep

Then go back to sleep do-do bird and stop responding to postings you're only interested in being rude about! Really just don't get that

My questions couldn't be any more clearly phrased! I don't need to say exactly what "it" is that I am wanting to make happen. It's rather personal and totally irrelevant to me asking this forum for some basic guidance on these particular hex responses.

Again I really just don't get it when people decide to butt their noses in JUST to be rude and on top of that, not offer any sort of clarity while they're there!

If anyone else is willing to offer some interpretation I'm still keen to hear :bows:

thanks
sofia

 

[Trojina]

You are right about one thing and one thing only--you are confused.

But Sofia probably knows if she likes her own shoes and so is one step ahead of you there

BTW i think you missed the point on that one.http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=8463.the Yi isn't telling you anything except the shoes are in the bag/parcel hence not available for scrutiny at the time you asked the question IMO. Yi doesn't always answer the exact question you asked and there i think it was being very factual, kind of laconic dry humour in the answer... so i guess Yis answer is you'll know if you like the shoes when you open the parcel....

see it wasn't the interpretation that was 'in the bag' it was the shoes

 

[Trojina]

Hello again fellow seekers

I asked the IC today

"What do I need to do, that I haven't already done, in order to make this happen?"
and I got Hex 48 unchanging.

I asked the IC to clarify this further (I do this to get a clearer interpretation of the reading) and I got 56.2.5 changing to 44

I took 56.2.5 to mean that I am meant to go out and find new friends and support and 48 to mean that I am meant to foster relationships with people on a deep level......kind of the same thing??

So to make sure I was on the right path I asked the IC...

"So do I need to make new friends and gain their support?"
and I got Hex 31 unchanging which I took to mean yes, go out and woo some new people???

So I then asked, "How/where do I find these new friends and support?" and I got Hex 12 unchanging Huh! That totally threw me since 12 is about obstruction or stagnation or standing still.......

Any assistance interpreting the readings would be most appreciated, especially the last two questions with the hex 31 and 12 responses.

thanks as always
Sofia :bows:

To be honest, without intending rudeness, deedee had a slight point in that all this is kinda hard for the reader to get their head around..its like lots of answers, about an unknown thing...its very hard to relate or to engage with your question for some reason...Anyway FWIW i think you misunderstood or made an assumption about 56 >44. Wondering if you used Karcher to interpret because he keeps saying everywhere "find a supportive group" and its quite misleading sometimes..Anyway the reason i think that you may have got lost in this string of questioning is the 12 unchanging. Not because 12 unchanging always means this, its just following this line of questions, ending up with 12 which threw you, a dead end , well my feeling is it was good it threw you, dead ended you, because you were getting lost through misunderstanding answers you had then asking another question on the basis of the false assumption you made from earlier questions.

I think it would help if you slowed down with the questions, ask one at a time, make sure you really understand it. I think here you lost yourself and it isn't easy for others to follow, well it isn't for me anyway

 

[sofia]

...Anyway FWIW i think you misunderstood or made an assumption about 56 >44. Wondering if you used Karcher to interpret because he keeps saying everywhere "find a supportive group" and its quite misleading sometimes..Anyway the reason i think that you may have got lost in this string of questioning is the 12 unchanging. Not because 12 unchanging always means this, its just following this line of questions, ending up with 12 which threw you, a dead end , well my feeling is it was good it threw you, dead ended you, because you were getting lost through misunderstanding answers you had then asking another question on the basis of the false assumption you made from earlier questions.

thanks for the feedback Trojan. I don't refer to Karcher anymore. I did earlier this year when I first started using the IC but I found him a bit too wishy washy and always positive which isn't right In line with your comments, he seems to me to be a lot about "get it together, gather friends, be ready etc" which is wishy washy to me and doesn't offer constructive and more specific advice.

I hear you about the 12, and possibly misinterpreting 56 > 44. I got that interpretation from Wilhelm.......So on that note, if anyone can help clarify Hex 48 and Hex 56 > 44 in light of my original questions that would be great Then I can work out 31 and 12 from there (or just rule them out because I was on the wrong track).

thanks again
sofia :bows:

 

[sofia]

It is really no wonder WillowFox is treated the way she is. The truth hurts, and the first thing ignorant people want to do is strike out against those who speak it.

You are right about one thing and one thing only--you are confused

I wonder how right you are for this section then you obviously don't have the patience or the openmindedness to see that seekers actually DO want clarification whether that's positive or negative (which is totally subjective by the way so how can you claim whether something will "hurt" or not). If you really wanted to offer clarification you would have started from my very first question i.e. resulting in hex 48, then moved onto my subsequent question resulting in hex 56 > 44 and then made some sense of 31 and 12.......and ONLY THEN start to make claims that it's other people who are confused

I respect Willowfox's replies greatly :bows: in fact I have mentioned that several times on this site. She is one of the better senior readers because she explains the lines individually and concisely and yes, at times bluntly. I welcome those blunt interpretations as much as I welcome the hopeful ones. As for "truth" how can there possibly be an absolute truth on this site or with the IC or anywhere when it comes to advice on action to take, when no one can ever know for sure what that is. There are often varying interpretations of hex results by senior members, so how do you explain that!! I see the IC as a guidance NOT as a predictor or as a definitive interpreter of the "truth". There have been some instances where the responses have been inaccurate in the end, or the interpretation is better made after the fact - which emphasises my point about varying responses and no one really knowing for sure. I don't really care about that anyway. It's not about pointing the finger as to who is right and who is wrong - I trust that we are all on a journey and the senior members are trying to assist where they can. I DO care though about getting responses to my questions in the PROPER sequential order so I can make some sense of all of them in the PROPER order.

sofia :bows:

 

[willowfox]

Yes, I have to say the same, vagueness of question leads to vagueness of answer(Chinese author Wong Fong)

Hex 48 is about getting down to the roots of the situation, as there would seem to be a lot of things that you either don't know or haven't even considered. Then there's the aspect of cooperation with others and the need to help and receive help unassumingly.

Both lines encourage you to look for help and assistance in your endeavour as I think some people that you are involved with see you in a quite negative and harsh light.

Hex 31 you need to canvas need supporters to the cause.

Perhaps Hex 12 is simply saying that you need to wait until you have sorted out Hex 48.

 

[Trojina]

When you are ready to apologize in front of "everyone," I will accept. There is lots for you to learn here. Study Well.

Eh ? if you want to make these kind of statements 'moderation' is the place to do it these days. As far as I'm concerned Sofia has done absolutely nothing in this thread to warrant an apology. Or am i reading you wrong, are you joking ?

 

[titania]

I asked the IC today

"What do I need to do, that I haven't already done, in order to make this happen?"
and I got Hex 48 unchanging.

"Almost reaching the water and not yet actually hauling up water, or breaking one's pitcher - pitfall." (Lise's translation)

I'm imagining you standing at the well, lowering your pitcher and pulling it back up again, but not getting any water. You're already doing everything you're supposed to in order to draw water from a well, but it isn't working.

Maybe there's nothing else you need to do in order to make this happen. Maybe it's just a matter of doing what you're already doing, but more deeply, more thoroughly, more carefully than you have so far.

Does that make sense?

 

[hilary]

What Trojan said - if anyone feels the need to clarify anything about who said and meant what, was or wasn't rude, please start a thread in 'moderation' for that. That way discussion here can get back to the reading. Thanks!

 

[sofia]

Yes, I have to say the same, vagueness of question leads to vagueness of answer(Chinese author Wong Fong)

Hex 48 is about getting down to the roots of the situation, as there would seem to be a lot of things that you either don't know or haven't even considered. Then there's the aspect of cooperation with others and the need to help and receive help unassumingly.

Both lines encourage you to look for help and assistance in your endeavour as I think some people that you are involved with see you in a quite negative and harsh light.

Hex 31 you need to canvas need supporters to the cause.

Perhaps Hex 12 is simply saying that you need to wait until you have sorted out Hex 48.

Thanks Willowfox. I can definitely work with this as a guide. The help and assistance - would obviously be from this forum and from my current supportive friends as always. And it's definitely possible that with regard to this situation, that I am seen in a negative light - although I can't be sure that's the case.

Thanks again for the sequential response :bows:

 

[sofia]

"Almost reaching the water and not yet actually hauling up water, or breaking one's pitcher - pitfall." (Lise's translation)

I'm imagining you standing at the well, lowering your pitcher and pulling it back up again, but not getting any water. You're already doing everything you're supposed to in order to draw water from a well, but it isn't working.

Maybe there's nothing else you need to do in order to make this happen. Maybe it's just a matter of doing what you're already doing, but more deeply, more thoroughly, more carefully than you have so far.

Does that make sense?

Hi Titania, thanks for responding

Yes this does make a lot of sense too! In fact this is more like how I see it, but I do see how both your interpretation and WF's suit my situation i.e. drawing on assistance or guidance whenever I instinctively feel I need to (which is often) can't hurt - it's always a good thing in my book and I will no doubt discover new relevant knowledge as I do this. And as you suggest, continuing as I have been with my attitude and energy towards this situation, in the same way if not a deeper level, makes sense too

Either way, everyone's response has shed some light on these hexes, plus I've received some constructive advice!

thanks again :bows:
sofia

 

[sofia]

48 is always a very inward hex to me, as in the soul. I believe the Well is about the connection we have with our "higher" selves. My guess is that your question had to do with bettering yourself spiritually or something to do with self-development?

No, but that doesn't mean your assumption can't or doesn't relate to the situation I was asking about - it could very well so thanks for that insight

Anyway the answer was this very exchange you are now having with me. When you interact with others who are strangers, you too become a stranger because the land between you is strange (hex 56). You start your communication on ground zero because you don't know each other, and this puts you in a difficult situation, one that is "dangerous" in that you begin without any basic borders or understandings. If conflict develops, you may be tempted (44) into using negative behavior based on negative things--fear, anger, etc.

In this case, we see the reading play out before our eyes: You have growing to do, and interacting with new people will spur that growth. If you follow the guidance of the moving lines in 56, you will have smoother relations and achieve whatever your question was about.

Yes this could make sense - as per Willowfox's interpretation regarding someone possibly seeing me in a negative light.....thanks :bows:

56.5-the IChing book I'm looking at stresses correctness externally and internally. This means acknowledging when we have made mistakes and correcting them. I have found your behavior today to be incorrect. You jumped to conclusions. You assumed bad things. And most of all, most destructive, you quickly let "everyone" know I was a "do do" and "rude," and you said these things as if they were facts when, in fact, they were your emotional response to truth.

But isn't that what you did when you assumed I was confused etc?? In any case, I don't want to engage in a petty debate. Acknowledging when we have made mistakes is mostly a personal thing. It's not for someone else (such as you) to make a judgement and order an apology By all means make a point about how you viewed my response, but to demand an apology doesn't really fit into my belief system - I wouldn't and don't ever expect apologies from people. That would make me reliant on the emotions of others or worse still, on a bunch of words, and I just don't see relationships that way. Actions speak louder than words and since we don't have a real relationship I can't see how I could make amends - and even then how I could or why I would want to make amends for something that obviously affected you and I therefore have no control over. Again, I'm happy for you to point out what you might consider rude etc., but to order me to apologise is truly over the top. Please just make your point and then let it go. I did when I thought you were being rude and then I moved on to focusing on the question at hand..........I surely didn't need it all wrapped up with a punchy little ending such as an apology. As you can see, the members of this forum have formed their own varying opinions on the matter - I can't see how an apology from me would make things right or change things in any way.[/QUOTE]

Two people have now told you that your initial question was not clear, not enough to go on. This was told to you in an effort to explain why NO ONE HAD ANSWERED YOU UNTIL I DID.

Then why have Willowfox and Trojan and Titania offered me some great clarity on the hexes and how they might relate to "wanting something to happen"?? Yes they also pointed out that more information could be helpful all around, but that didn't stop them from responding and interpreting based on what those hexes mean.

Thank you for your insight to the hexes - that's all I was asking for in this posting :bows:

 

[sofia]

What Trojan said - if anyone feels the need to clarify anything about who said and meant what, was or wasn't rude, please start a thread in 'moderation' for that. That way discussion here can get back to the reading. Thanks!

Will do next time Hilary. I didn't realise there was a Moderation area