Hex. 53 (memorizing the I Ching)

[meng]

Charly,

I wasn't referring to a traditional Chinese wedding, nor even a literal wedding. I was referring to the union of opposites.

Rosada, welcome back.

 

[meng]

Perhaps union of opposites may also be unclear, since there could no longer be opposites if they literally became one. So rather than union of opposites I'll change my comment to collaboration of opposites, to define my use (and I think ravenstar's as well) of the word marriage.

But while I'm at it, doodling with words and ideas, I specifically believe the entire Yijing is underpinned not only with this marriage principle as the chief objective, but that those same principles are meant to be understood within ourselves.

 

[heylise]

Every time I want to make something happen which is a bit more complicated than just one action, I feel that I need this 'marriage' of opposites, or maybe complementaries. Mm, seems not to exist as a word, but I don't know a better one. It is a bit like needing two feet for a solid standpoint.

If I start from out one single idea, my drive bleeds to death halfway my project. Only when there is this double premisse, it stays alive. Especially when they seem to be incompatible, or at least when it is a challenge of how to unite them. Maybe it is the requirement for giving birth to something new. Which in turn is what makes a project viable and not just another assignment.

Welcome back Rosada. I wish you lots of success with your 'impossible' project.

LiSe

 

[my_key]

Hmm thanks for the different perspective Mike.

So could we say this is a gradual integration of the past with the present so that the potential of the future will be able to be seen and felt? Do other people enter our lives because of some unconcious chemical attraction that is connected to our past, our childhood. Are these connections offering an open window for us to look at our past and to see what went wrong....to see into issues, wounds and conflicts so we can make better choices? Are you saying that under the material world we are all joined in an energetic dance?

"we with our lives are like islands in the sea. Like the trees in the forest. The maple and the pine may whisper to each other with their leaves.......But the trees also commingle their roots in the darkest underground, and the islands also hang together through the ocean's bottom. Just so there is a continuum of cosmic consciiousness, against which our individuality builds but accidental fences.....Our normal consciousness is circumscribed for adaptation to our external environment, but the fence is weak in spots and fitful influences from beyond leak in, showing the otherwise unverifiable human connection" William James

ravenstar

Ravenstar
We could say whatever we liked !!However, I'm going to say the following......
It all depends what is seen in the image and where you see the development actually taking place. For me this is inside. There is only really one thing that I have ability to gradually advance and that's me. The rest of what is going on is all lables and noise.

The image
On the mountain, a tree:
The image of DEVELOPMENT.
Thus the superior man abides in dignity and virtue,
In order to improve the mores.

Expanding this with a few dictionary definitions -
Thus the superior man abides in "a bearing, conduct, or speech indicative of self-respect or appreciation of the formality or gravity of an occasion or situation" and "effective force; power or potency" in order to improve the " manners, ways and conventions that embody the fundamental values of a group " .

So this to me is about working on ourself, being true to ourself( whatever we perceive that to be at that time) while understanding what is going on around us . The way that we behave then improves the ways of the group.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the origin of "virtue" comes from association with our magical past, so the link to your take on the unconscious attractions and all it's associations is not a big step to make here.

The mirrors we attract in our direction give us ample opportunity to test where the different reflections take us. Eventually the superior man cracks enough mirrors to slowly realise how not to crack them and then, and this is the icing on the cake, how to choose the best reflection.

Slowly the marriage begins to make sense. I like meng and LiSe's posts. It's like the marriage isn't just of two opposites but a melding of many points along the different continuums, joined to a super highway each bringing it's own unique ingredient to the party. We make the small step and another truck comes in on the highway giving the marriage more impetus.


Mike

 

[ravenstar]

The mirrors we attract in our direction give us ample opportunity to test where the different reflections take us. Eventually the superior man cracks enough mirrors to slowly realise how not to crack them and then, and this is the icing on the cake, how to choose the best reflection.

Slowly the marriage begins to make sense. I like meng and LiSe's posts. It's like the marriage isn't just of two opposites but a melding of many points along the different continuums, joined to a super highway each bringing it's own unique ingredient to the party. We make the small step and another truck comes in on the highway giving the marriage more impetus.


Mike

Hi Mike,

I enjoyed reading your whole post....what I quoted above I loved the most. In the beginning of to understand the 'Self' I too broke many mirrors .

We constantly send and receive subtle vibrations of energy....being receptive to them allows us to become involved in a conversation of different networks and lifelines. Quoting Sri Ramakrishna, "The winds of grace are blowing perpetually. We only need raise our sails." As I started to understand this, readings and healing took on a new connection. I became consciously aware that the person with whom I am/was connected with, at that point in time, had some kind of message for me.. This message then led to other synchronistic events, many other interchanges of energy that intuitively pointed me in a direction I'd overlooked or couldn't see at the time.

A new perspective triggers a new realization, a new direction and a whole new way of thinking. Sometimes it happens sontaneously, sometimes it takes days/months/years before another major synchronistic event opens another door. This event not only creates a major shift in one person's consciousness, it subtly vibrates/affects the threads that bind us spiritually together.

Originally quoted by heylise - If I start from out one single idea, my drive bleeds to death halfway my project. Only when there is this double premisse, it stays alive. Especially when they seem to be incompatible, or at least when it is a challenge of how to unite them. Maybe it is the requirement for giving birth to something new. Which in turn is what makes a project viable and not just another assignment.

I can so relate to this. How many times have I sat down and tried several different combinations with absolutely no results. After trying different tactics, I give up feeling frustrated, frazzled and discouraged. Hours or days later, after detaching and doing something else, what I had struggled with suddenly flashed with different solutions in my mind. Different aspects that wouldn't join before, started colliding, interlocking in pairs........it seems I had to losen my grip on what "I" wanted...I had to wait, rest, let things incubate....and when this happened, we become more open to receiving other kinds of creativity and stimuli.

ravenstar

 

[rosada]

The lines

53.1
Six at the beginning means:
The wild goose gradually draws near the shore.
The young son is in danger.
There is talk. No blame.

All the individual lines in this hexagram symbolize the gradual flight of the wild goose. The wild goose is the symbol of conjugal fidelity, because it is believed that this bird never takes another mate after the death of the first.
-Wilhelm

 

[rosada]

The initial line suggests the first resting place in the flight of water birds from the water to the heights. The shore is reached. The situation is that of a lonely young man who is just starting out to make his way in life. Since no one comes to help him, his first steps are slow and hesitant, and he is surrounded by danger. Naturally he is subjected to much criticism. But these very difficulties keep him from being too hasty, and his progress is successful.
-Wilhelm

 

[meng]

I play through two main guitar amps, and each one sounds best with a particular guitar. Once, I asked Yi to describe each one. The big Laney GH50L is a Marshallesque amp, which Yi called 16. The much smaller, less powerful but refined sounding Fender, Yi called 53.

This makes so much sense! The small Fender is fairly new to me, and it combines traditional vacuum tube technology, but with a separate channel for effects and amplifier voices. An extremely versatile and inspiring tool, it enables me to go to different places and explore new voices. It’s a superb practice amp too, enabling me to improve my playing abilities. Truly a 53 amp. Now, the big Laney GH, that is a canon – 16 all the way. I even get all 16 when I turn it on to warm it up! Love the way Yi nailed it so precisely, once again.

 

[ravenstar]

I play through two main guitar amps, and each one sounds best with a particular guitar. Once, I asked Yi to describe each one. The big Laney GH50L is a Marshallesque amp, which Yi called 16. The much smaller, less powerful but refined sounding Fender, Yi called 53.

This makes so much sense! The small Fender is fairly new to me, and it combines traditional vacuum tube technology, but with a separate channel for effects and amplifier voices. An extremely versatile and inspiring tool, it enables me to go to different places and explore new voices. It’s a superb practice amp too, enabling me to improve my playing abilities. Truly a 53 amp. Now, the big Laney GH, that is a canon – 16 all the way. I even get all 16 when I turn it on to warm it up! Love the way Yi nailed it so precisely, once again.

That's an interesting connection meng. I can almost feel the intensity and strength of the GH50L compared to the more refined Fender.

When I was 18 years of age, I left home. I didn't do it rashly, I waited for the opportune moment. It arrived when my parents, angered with my low marks at school, told me I couldn't live with them if I considered the thought of leaving school.

Slowly my plan to leave developed and I announced to my parents I was quitting school and moving back to Montreal. With but a $100 bond in my pocket, I began the journey of heading to Montreal from Toronto. At the time I had no fear of the dangers 'out there' and stuck out my thumb on Highway 401.

My first ride was with a farmer from Trois Riviere. As we reached his destination he invited me to live with him at his home where he promised to take care of me. I declined his generous offer, thanked him for the lift and hitchiked again from Trois Riviere to a town called Lancaster. This time I was picked up by a teacher who was curious as to why I'd left home. His questions and my replies helped to release alot of pent up emotions I'd been holding in silence. I remember him telling me not to keep a lid on my emotions and anger. During my time with 'this Guide' alot of held-in-stress was released. I didn't know how alone I had really felt during this time.

My third ride from Lancaster took me right into Montreal. This time I was picked by a lawyer who was concerned for my welfare and safety. He warned me of the dangers a young hitchiker could encounter...especially a girl. He bought me lunch and invested alot of time and energy just for me. I realized that at home or on the road nothing is really safe and solid. His strong and to the point stories were quite scary. I'll never forget how his eyes blazed with a bright brilliant stare. This evoked all kinds of images and intense feelings that taught me later to scrutinize my different surroundings, especially those that looked safe but were found to be built on shaky ground.

By the time I got to Montreal, I was a different person. I'd learned so much from these three genuine people who taught me more about life then I did at home. The lawyer drove me right to the door of my brother's apartment and so began a new life for me that definitely had its ups and downs....and taught me about living and survival.

ravenstar

 

[rosada]

Great stories!
I think of 52. Limitation as representing the border between everything we already know and 53.Gradual Progress as representing our efforts to move forward and learn more. Something along the lines of 52.Getting your act together and 53.Taking it on the road. Like it takes you up to 52 to read everything that's already been written about the I ching, and then with 53 to slowly venture forth and see if you can contribute something original.
Rosada

 

[frank_r]

Hex 53

Hexagram 53 needed a while to start up with me. 53 is the hexagram for the long run.
Here there is trigram wind, the trigram for long standing processes on the outside and trigram mountain, the trigram for personal perspective on the inside.
The nucleur trigrams are water and fire. the basic elements for live on earth.
Water as being earth on Earth but now with the yang line of senses(metal) in the middle. And fire as being heaven on Earth with the yin line of essence(wood) in the middle.

Hexagram 53 is also the karmic hexagram for the large intestine. In acupuncture the large intestine is part of the element Metal together with ther Lung. The peristalic movement of the large intestine is something as the inhale and exhale movement of the Lung.
The proces of food transformation is ended in the large intestine, here is the final proces of what becomes you, which you can use, and which you cannot use.

When looking to hexagram 53 then we can say that 53 and 54 are to 63 and 64 what 27 and 28 are to 1 and 2.
And looking to the changing lines there is the change to 37 and 39 in line 1 and 6. Both karmic hexagrams.
Changing line 2 and 5, changing to 57 and 52. The doubling of the same trigrams.
And the central lines 3 and 4, the lines of the heart change to 20 and 33. Hexagrams of the year cycle, Waxing and waning’ bigua sequence which also have a relation with the clock and the meridians.

Frank
BTW. Nice stories yes. Both Janice and the one about the guitars Bruce.

 

[my_key]

I'm with Frank.....Janice and Meng great stories.

Janice - I don't know whether you intended it, but I got a sense that the 3 "journeys" were lines 1,2 and 3. So that by the end of it and you rolled up at your brothers door, the inner change had occured. You were a different person. Do you see it like that at all?

Meng - You old rocker, you. How about sharing a You Tube video of you on the GHL50. No doubt a wonder to behold.

Frank - All this Karmic stuff on the Hex 53 ....This is really interesting. Where can i find out some more about this theme relative to the Yi?

Hexagram 53 is also the karmic hexagram for the large intestine. In acupuncture the large intestine is part of the element Metal together with ther Lung. The peristalic movement of the large intestine is something as the inhale and exhale movement of the Lung.
The proces of food transformation is ended in the large intestine, here is the final proces of what becomes you, which you can use, and which you cannot use.

So are we saying here, something like, 52 is some sort of great realisation and that as we step into 53 we feel the new ways starting to manifest themselve within our body and life. The old things and ways we used to behave that used to nourish us have come to an end and now the new nourishents are starting to take over from the old nourishments. (We have changed amps but we are now learning how to get the best out of the new one). We are now breathing in the new energies and breathing out the remnants of the old.We have started out at 53 by being consciously incompetent and have to gradually move up the learning ladder with all the fun, tears, heartaches and joy that that journey envokes.

In a sense I see 53 as choosing to leave behind what you have been surviving on for years and stepping into the hall of mirrors with a new outlook. It's a bit like dieting. You can latch onto the latest fad diet and loose pounds and pounds, but at some point the diet loses its attraction. The pounds start to pile back on and you find that you have ended up heavier than when you first started. Understanding the foundations of what is causing the malnourisment (52), emotional, mental, physical or spiritual and then making gradual changes out of your comfort zone (53) - changing the "correct" things allows the new you, given time, to climb out of the chrysalis. (Rosada.... 52.Getting your act together and 53.Taking it on the road........ much more succinct )

Mike

 

[charly]

53.1
... The wild goose gradually draws near the shore.
The young son is in danger.
There is talk. No blame.

Ros:

Be welcome!

Not that I dissagree too much with W/B but where they put two independent sentences:

1) Young son is in danger and
2) There is talk,
​

... the chinese text has only one sentence:

W/B in capital leters:

鴻 hong2 / wild goose or swan / great / large / [THE] WILD GOOSE
漸 jian4 / imbue / slowly permeate / gradual / gradually / GRADUALLY [DRAWS NEAR]
于 yu2 / at / to / THE
干 gan1 / shore / bank of a river / river side / dry / SHORE
。
小 xiao3 / small / little / young / [THE] YOUNG
子 zi3 / son / child / seed / fruit / SON
厲 li4 / severe / harsh / cruel / [IS IN] DANGER
有 you3 / to have / there is / there are / THERE IS
言 yan2 / to speak / to say / talk / word / TALK
。
無 wu2 / no / not / NO
咎 jiu4 / blame / to blame / mistake / wrong / BLAME
。​

If there is only one sentence (see the dots) there must be an explicit verb, maybe 厲 li4 or maybe 有 you3.

厲 li4 is not the standard word for DANGER (1), it usually means HARSH, HARSHNESS, CRUEL and also TO ENCOURAGE, TO OPPRESS (Source: Lin Yutang)

The closer possibility to W/B is:

YOUNG SON IN DANGER (or OPPRESSED) HAVE TO SPEAK​

Another:

YOUNG SON IS ENCOURAGED TO HAVE THE WORD.​

In both cases CHILDREN have something to SAY.

The parallellism with the geese is that they are marching in the DRY they can look clumsy, they are neither flying nor swiming. Children do not masterize the use of speech. Difficult beginings, but children have something to say like geese have somewhere to go.

No blame, not a fault from theirselves but eachother own nature.

H. 53 tells where are going the geese. Does it also tell what have to say the clildren?

Maybe this is another story (2).

Yours,

Charly

_________________
(1)厲 li4 depicts a CONCEALED SCORPION, thus the relation with HIDDEN DANGER, but the scorpion also could mean stimulus, urge, even lust.
(2) Wild geese in chinese poetry evoke WAR and EXIL, both leading to CHILDREN SUFFERING.

 

[ravenstar]

First I'd like to welcome rosada back! By geesh we missed ya!

I'm with Frank.....Janice and Meng great stories.

Janice - I don't know whether you intended it, but I got a sense that the 3 "journeys" were lines 1,2 and 3. So that by the end of it and you rolled up at your brothers door, the inner change had occured. You were a different person. Do you see it like that at all?{/QUOTE]

Wow! Your right Mike, my spirit (inner change) grew with each journey, although I didn't see the journey(s) as 3 at the time! Thanks for pointing that out and that the journeys included lines 2 and 3 as well. I find it interesting that we can meet thousands of people in our life but only a few create an impact that stays with us forever.

Frank - All this Karmic stuff on the Hex 53 ....This is really interesting. Where can i find out some more about this theme relative to the Yi?

I'd like to know this as well Frank?

So are we saying here, something like, 52 is some sort of great realisation and that as we step into 53 we feel the new ways starting to manifest themselve within our body and life. The old things and ways we used to behave that used to nourish us have come to an end and now the new nourishents are starting to take over from the old nourishments. (We have changed amps but we are now learning how to get the best out of the new one). We are now breathing in the new energies and breathing out the remnants of the old.We have started out at 53 by being consciously incompetent and have to gradually move up the learning ladder with all the fun, tears, heartaches and joy that that journey envokes.

Ya, I like the way you worded this Mike. I also think we need to look back at the steps we've taken and congratulate ourselves at how far we've come. Not only does this give us strength, it also reveals that the Universe does not work in predictable patterns.

Mike

ravenstar

 

[ravenstar]

厲 li4 is not the standard word for DANGER (1), it usually means HARSH, HARSHNESS, CRUEL and also TO ENCOURAGE, TO OPPRESS (Source: Lin Yutang)

The closer possibility to W/B is:

YOUNG SON IN DANGER (or OPPRESSED) HAVE TO SPEAK​

Another:

YOUNG SON IS ENCOURAGED TO HAVE THE WORD.​

In both cases CHILDREN have something to SAY.

The parallellism with the geese is that they are marching in the DRY they can look clumsy, they are neither flying nor swiming. Children do not masterize the use of speech. Difficult beginings, but children have something to say like geese have somewhere to go.

No blame, not a fault from theirselves but eachother own nature.

H. 53 tells where are going the geese. Does it also tell what have to say the clildren?

Maybe this is another story (2).

Yours,

Charly

_________________
(1)厲 li4 depicts a CONCEALED SCORPION, thus the relation with HIDDEN DANGER, but the scorpion also could mean stimulus, urge, even lust.
(2) Wild geese in chinese poetry evoke WAR and EXIL, both leading to CHILDREN SUFFERING.

Hi Charly,

What you've written speaks volumes. As a child, words didn't come easily to me. When I tried to speak up for myself I was either rejected or criticized because I wasn't able to articulate or elaborate on my thoughts. Home was a place of 'static' something inside of me said if you stay home, you will never grow, never change. To be free I had to be strong with what I wanted to say and take my chances.

On my road trip, people acutally listened to me. My self confidence was at a low when I started but was 'stimulated' and boosted by the time I got to Montreal.

As Mike pointed out and rosada wrote "I think of 52. Limitation as representing the border between everything we already know and 53.Gradual Progress as representing our efforts to move forward and learn more. Something along the lines of 52.Getting your act together and 53.Taking it on the road. "

ravenstar

ravenstar

 

[my_key]

W/B in capital leters:

鴻 hong2 / wild goose or swan / great / large / [THE] WILD GOOSE
漸 jian4 / imbue / slowly permeate / gradual / gradually / GRADUALLY [DRAWS NEAR]
于 yu2 / at / to / THE
干 gan1 / shore / bank of a river / river side / dry / SHORE
。
小 xiao3 / small / little / young / [THE] YOUNG
子 zi3 / son / child / seed / fruit / SON
厲 li4 / severe / harsh / cruel / [IS IN] DANGER
有 you3 / to have / there is / there are / THERE IS
言 yan2 / to speak / to say / talk / word / TALK
。
無 wu2 / no / not / NO
咎 jiu4 / blame / to blame / mistake / wrong / BLAME
​

From the picture Ravenstar paints it's easy to see the young child in danger scenario because of the big Danger sign( and that must have been a tough childhood for you). Looking at Charly's post and the other interprestations of 厲 li4....... this seems to also paint a more positve slant

厲 li4 is not the standard word for DANGER (1), it usually means HARSH, HARSHNESS, CRUEL and also TO ENCOURAGE, TO OPPRESS (Source: Lin Yutang)

The closer possibility to W/B is:

YOUNG SON IN DANGER (or OPPRESSED) HAVE TO SPEAK​

Another:

YOUNG SON IS ENCOURAGED TO HAVE THE WORD.​

53.1 -
The geese are slowly coming home to roost.
( new magic is coming in)
The small seeds need to be encouraged to have there say.
( it's going to grow ....... a young 2 year old having a temper tantrum ?....and make mistakes )
No-thing wrong here.
(Be gentle on yourself because what we do best is not be perfect.)

Mighty Oaks from little acorns grow.

 

[rosada]

I wonder if the young son 53.1 sees a danger but is hesitant to speak up? The previous line - 52.6 Noblehearted keeping still. - described a complete silence. Perhaps now in 53.1 one is having to be encouraged to share their ideas? I'm thinking how when one is in a new land it is not appropriate to say, "Well, in my country we did things differently," but sometimes fresh eyes can see things that have been ignored for so long they are no longer noticed and while the new comer may be uncertain if he should comment, he should, and there will be "no blame."

In cleaning out the garage I have a friend helping me and her biggest help comes because she is new to the scene and so has no emotional attachment to the clutter and risks telling me, "That's junk, throw it out!"

Good to be back,
Rosada

rats, gotta run, will post next line asap

 

[frank_r]

Frank - All this Karmic stuff on the Hex 53 ....This is really interesting. Where can i find out some more about this theme relative to the Yi?

Mike

Hello Mike and Janice,

In the seventies there was this Dutch group, they called themselves the group of 5, Han Boering, Dries Langeveld, Gerben Hellinga, Jaap Voigt and the Yi. They studied for several years and found what they called the Karmic mandala. This is a mandala from all hexagrams. There are 4 kosmick hexagrams 1,2,63,64 and 12 karmic. On this 12 you can place the Chinese clock with the meridians. and on 53 there is the Large intestine.
The idea is when you get one of this 12 hexagramsa this is telling you something about your Karma, and when you get 1,2 63 or 64 then you get a kosmick answer.

This is the mandala. When you are part of the reading circle there is a beautifull PDF of this circle and then you can read all the hexagrams very easy.

You can use this karmic idea also in every hexagram. when you are interested I can explain how to do this.

Frank

 

[charly]

...
53.1 -
The geese are slowly coming home to roost.
(new magic is coming in)
...

Mike:

Quite true. 鴻 hong2 also means GREAT, not any ordinary goose, but a GREAT GOOSE.

When the geese arrive, something great and sacred passes. Great geese when marching on the dry look like big children but they are the same guys that fly like gods.

Little children could say «da! da!» but they have something great and sacred inside they have to be heard, even when they say nothing.

The advice could be: «when something ominous is passing, big danger, missfortune, new challenges, war, exile, hear your own little child».

Yours,

Charly

 

[charly]

... As a child, words didn't come easily to me. When I tried to speak up for myself I was either rejected or criticized ... On my road trip, people acutally listened to me. My self confidence was at a low when I started but was 'stimulated' and boosted by the time I got to Montreal...

Janice:

Now you are like the big geese: mistress of your own path. The girl that you were brought you where you are now. She had something to say: STOP CRITICIZING, STOP REJECTING.

I believe that the child of H.53 is saying STOP WAR. BE LIKE THIS GENTLE BIRDS THAT BOTH, FATHER AND MOTHER TAKE CARE OF THE CHILDREN. Why? Because 53.3 says so.

Yours,

Charly

 

[Sparhawk]

Hello Mike and Janice,

In the seventies there was this Dutch group, they called themselves the group of 5, Han Boering, Dries Langeveld, Gerben Hellinga, Jaap Voigt and the Yi. They studied for several years and found what they called the Karmic mandala.

Hi Frank,

When you say "found," what do you mean? Did they actually find something similar in Chinese texts or is the mandala something the group came up with?

Do you know them in person? By any chance, is that "Jaap Voigt" involved in ocean shipping?

Cheers,

 

[frank_r]

Hi Frank,

When you say "found," what do you mean? Did they actually find something similar in Chinese texts or is the mandala something the group came up with?

Do you know them in person? By any chance, is that "Jaap Voigt" involved in ocean shipping?

Cheers,

Hello Luis,

As far as i know came the group with this mandala. They didn't find anything about this in Chinese texts.

Jaap Voigt is not involved in ocean shipping as far as I know.

All four are quit famous in the small world of the Yi here in holland. Dries langeveld started in the seventies a magazine called Bres, this was a 2 monthly small glossy magazine with all kind of esoteric articles. Also a lot of I Ching of course. He died severall years ago but the magazine still exist.

Jaap Voigt is still writing books, he translated 2 years ago The Dao De Jing, and last year he wrote a book about the seasons and the Yi hexagrams.

Han Boering is the one I know in person, he has written severall I Ching books. He made a interesting Yi translation, but only in Dutch. During the time he was writing his translation we had often contact because he asked me to comment the text he had written. He also made a set of Yi cards that can be used to give a extensive Yi answer. 9 cards are then picked and put on the table in the Lo Shu patron.
Here is his card from hexagram 53. On the cards there are severall different relations that give a extra insights.

Gerben Hellinga is a writer, he wrote severall books(don't know if they are translated), some detectives, some children books and also some novels with the Yi in a central role. in one of them he is telling about a Yi session he once gave to Madonna before she was famous. He did the extensive patron I already told about. He writes about the answer in a very nice and humereous way.
Last year I saw him at a lecture about astrology.

Frank

 

[maremaria]

about %26quot%3Bthere is talk%26quot%3B

Welcome back Rosada.

Nice stories and interesting comments by everyone here.

In the beginning of something new I toss the coins and got line 53.1. I haven’t told anyone about the thing I wanted to do and the “there is a talk” phrases didn’t make sense. While I was pondering whether I should go on or not I realized that in that case the talk was the inner talk. A family in the mist of a negotiations.(37) Some times I was the man and wife , reasonable but also could be over protecting and some others I was the children, ready to conquer the world, enthusiastic but could be irrational too.

So, the way I perceived that line , then, the “talk” had to do with the inner critic but also with the anticipation of starting something new and a feeling that everything is going to be ok. There was of course a pros and cons evaluation just to be more prepared, taking care of some practical details.



Maria

 

[maremaria]

You can use this karmic idea also in every hexagram. when you are interested I can explain how to do this.

Frank

Can you explain how it works Frank ?

Maria

 

[rosada]

Completing Wilhelm's comments...

The hexagram as a whole refers to the contracting of marriage, and consequently the image common to all the lines is the wild goose, symbol of conjugal fidelity.

Six at the beginning:
a) The wild goose draws near the shore.
The young son is in danger.
There is talk. No blame.

b) The danger besetting the little son implies no blame.

The nuclear trigram Li implies a flying bird, hence the image of a wild goose. The first line stands next to the nuclear trigram K'an, the Abysmal, hence the shore as an image. Ken, the lower trigram, symbolizes the youngest son. It contains the nuclear trigram K'an, danger. The "talk" comes perhaps from the upper trigram Sun, wind, which soughs and resounds.
This is a yielding line in a lowly place. Therefore it is not impetuous in pressing forward; it is conscious of the danger. Hence, though others talk about it, it remains blameless.
-Wilhelm

 

[ravenstar]

Originally Posted by frank_r
You can use this karmic idea also in every hexagram. when you are interested I can explain how to do this.

Frank

Can you explain how it works Frank ?

Maria

Oh yes, I'd like to know too Frank, Please?

ravenstar

 

[ravenstar]

Janice:

Now you are like the big geese: mistress of your own path. The girl that you were brought you where you are now. She had something to say: STOP CRITICIZING, STOP REJECTING.

I believe that the child of H.53 is saying STOP WAR. BE LIKE THIS GENTLE BIRDS THAT BOTH, FATHER AND MOTHER TAKE CARE OF THE CHILDREN. Why? Because 53.3 says so.

Yours,

Charly

Aw, that's sweet Charly, thank you. There's still a bit of cleaning to be done, but I'm getting there.

I found this quote that really seems to fit nicely with Hexagram 53 and what you've been saying.

"In some way, however, small and secret, each of us is a little mad........Everyone is lonely at the bottom and cries to be understood; but we can never entirely understand someone else.....and each of us remains part stranger even to those who love us....It is the weak who are cruel; gentleness is to be expected only from the strong....Those who do not know fear are not really brave, for courage is the capacity to confront what can be imagined.....You can understand people better if you look at them--no matter how old or impressive they may be----as if they are children. For most of us never mature, simply grow taller.....Happiness comes only when we push our brains and hearts to the farthest reaches of which we are capable....The purpose of life is to matter, to count, to stand for something, to have it make some difference that we lived at all." Leo Rosten

ravenstar

 

[rosada]

Nice quote, ravenstar. I can see Limitation as Boundries, so Gradual Progress could be Pushing the Boundries.

We have several possible conversations going here and I hope I'm not disturbing the flow by posting the next line.

 

[rosada]

53.2
0 Six in the second place means:
The wild goose gradually draws near the cliff.
Eating and drinking in peace and concord.
Good fortune.

The cliff is a safe place on shore. The developement has gone a step further. The initial insecurity has been overcome, and a safe position in life has been found, giving one enough to live on. This first success, opening up a path to activity, brings a certain joyousness of mood, and one goes to meet the future reassured.
It is said of the wild goose that it calls to its comrades whenever it finds food; this is the symbol of peace and good fortune. A man does not want to keep his good luck for himself only, but is ready to share it with others.
-Wilhelm

 

[frank_r]

Can you explain how it works Frank ?

Maria

Oh yes, I'd like to know too Frank, Please?

ravenstar

Hello Maria and janice,

The idea is that in each hexagram there are three karmic or kosmick parts. You make a new hexagrams of line 1-2-3 and and 2-3-4. This is the lower core, From line 2-3-4 and 3-4-5, this is the most important the middle core(the well known nucleur hexagram), and line 3-4-5 and 4-5-6 for the upper core.

The lower core is the karma that you are building up, the interaction with the surrounding.
The middle core is the most important that is the karma, the deeper message, at this moment.This hexagram has a influence on your being.
The upper core is the karma that you are going to, the karma that you are learning to control and can come on a higher level.

When you do this technique that you always get one of the 12 karmick hexagrams(23,24,27,28,37,38,39,40,43,44,53,54), or one of the four kosmick(1,2,63, 64).

For instance in 53 the karma the lower core is 39. To interact with your surroundings in the case of longlasting problems you need to overcome obstacles.

The middle core is 64 finding new roads. Only then you can overcome longlasting problems. In 53 you are connected to 64 one of the kosmick hexagrams. 64 is together with 63 a hexagram that you learn to adept to new ways to ajust to life. These 2 hexagrams give you the possiblilty to be flexible. To be as water and fire without overruling each other.

And the upper core is 53. The karma that can be controlled. So in the last periode of this longlasting proces there is this knowhow that the beginning and the end have the same kind of energy. The end is a kind of beginning and vic versa. How older the tree on top of the mountain, how more the branches go to Heaven, how deeper the roots go into the Earth to get water out of the soil. We human are the synthesis between Heaven and Earth. How more you get to know about life. How bigger the distance between our roots(Earth) and Branches(Heaven) can be.

Frank