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Only if you wish to share, but can you give us any specifics about this: what certain landscape(s) can you see clearly? And what superficialities can you see beneath? And what reality are you talking about? Just the general reality of your life, or are there certain specific things you're seeing clearly? I'm just a stickler for details.I am able to see a certain landscape ahead and I can see beneath certain superficialities of this reality. To me, it is clear as day.
I am looking at a social landscape. I am looking at events that will happen within the next 6-8 months. I see more lockdowns, deaths, war, the removal of liberties etc. My visions are frightening actually. I dont really talk to anyone about them because I am scared of being labeled as a complete basketcase.Only if you wish to share, but can you give us any specifics about this: what certain landscape(s) can you see clearly? And what superficialities can you see beneath? And what reality are you talking about? Just the general reality of your life, or are there certain specific things you're seeing clearly? I'm just a stickler for details.
D.
HiCan you be more specific ? I mean what wars, removal of liberties where ? The Taliban in Afghanistan ?
Sadly there are always wars and always removal of liberties somewhere in the world and the fight to restore those.
Having reread the first post you aren't asking for input just sharing how Hilary's commentary helped you see different people have different views ? It's still not very clear what you are trying to share.
BTW any updates for this thread
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Line 38.3: seeing a wagon dragging, its oxen held back, its man branded with his nose cut off ...." (Stephen Field trans.)hexagram 38.3 > 14 Am I losing my mind? - All I can say is WOW.
PizzaB, you are under no obligation to answer me, but I am baffled by what you are saying here:Thanks for your help!
Based on these reactions I now see there is absolutely nothing wrong with me.
The other poster went into a political temper tantrum namecalling me for expressing visions I've had. That's why I said what i said.PizzaB, you are under no obligation to answer me, but I am baffled by what you are saying here:
My interpretation of the Yi's response is that there is something amiss with you - e.g. you are a bit crazy - but you are interpreting this the exact opposite? How did you arrive at that conclusion from what I said? Is it perhaps perpetually 'opposite day' where you live?
And if you are sure you are right - and sane - and that you are "able to see a certain landscape ahead and can see beneath certain superficialities of this reality" - and, that you never intended to entertain any other options or opinions, why did you post your reading here in the first place? Was it just to share with us what you think (which is your choice of course)?
And are you sure you're not seeing this in 5D, instead of being stuck in 4D, which is how I perceive the universe?.
That's all well and good, but I was not asking about what the other person said. I'm asking if you have any reaction to my post, no. 5, above, which is my unbiased interpretation? .... And again, you do not have to answer if you don't want to!The other poster .... The other poster .... And yes I meant 5D.
I generally find it better to leave the diagnosis of psychiatric conditions to medical professionals. I'm also slightly disturbed by someone who finds the symptoms of those conditions entertaining.So yes, the Yi is saying you are losing your mind and if you continue with your absurd, violent fantasies and hallucinations you will lose it even more. The solution is to try and replace your absurd, but entertaining fantasies with logic and reality
Which words do you find awesome ?Pizzabec's words are awesome.
But in this instance pizza did ask if she lost her mind though whether that was a rhetorical question, a real question, ie she thinks she's mad, or just a way to reveal her ideas about it all being a political plot I don't know. All I'm saying is if the question is actually asking if she lost her mind then it may not be surprising if she gets opinions about that. I really don't think Yi can confirm that either way for her or anyone else, as you say that would be the job of a psychiatrist.I generally find it better to leave the diagnosis of psychiatric conditions to medical professionals.
The other poster went into a political temper tantrum namecalling me for expressing visions I've had. That's why I said what i said.
This is exactly the reason why I didnt want to get specific. All I expected was a more technical breakdown of the hexagram.
All I expected was a more technical breakdown of the hexagram.
Maybe I read the hex wrong. I saw it as a mind that sees several opposing angles and points of views or visions which is what I though opposing meant.
The other poster literally lost it and mentioned some other president...and being far right...like what?? I thought this is an IChing forum where everyone is welcome.
(Waxing political: luckily, here in America we voted in a president and a majority in congress whom are not having the same ridiculous, violent fantasies as you - but it is hard to keep the hateful, make-believe alt-right 'voices' at bay, since these demons have now taken human form, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Sean Hannity; and if you live here, perhaps these are the make-believe voices you are listening to? Just remember, they are not real!)
Actually I'm a stranger who has spent time answering your posts/threads before. I won't be from now on though. Your expectation of an 'unbiased breakdown' is quite unrealistic, I mean really, think about it. You are denying Covid do you really think that's not in any way an emotive topic. And actually the post wasn't just 'shrieking' I asked you some questions I'd ask anyone spreading this kind of thing around. Questions about the political purpose of lockdown in your eyes for example given lockdowns certainly aren't in the interests of capitalism. I realise you have no answers and removed the post as just too much that's all.For the record, I have zero political affiliation, I live in Canada and I think that govts have gone mad and I trust no one BECAUSE of the visions I have. And yes I meant 5D.
I was just expecting an unbiased breakdown, not some stranger shrieking at me.
What if I've gone off the deep end? Are they right? Am i just humiliating myself?
Breaking it down in more detail: I based my interpretation on what pizzabec asked: 'am I losing my mind?, along with what they said, including becoming '5D' and, 'began to see things to the point that I freaked people out', 'manipulation into mass psychosis', 'they were building "quarantine camps", .... (and) I made a whole bunch of other predictions'.I generally find it better to leave the diagnosis of psychiatric conditions to medical professionals.
I couldn't agree more. Field did an excellent modernist interpretation. My favorite in that genre.I considered the Yi's response 38.3: man branded with his nose cut off ...." (from Stephen Field's excellent, 'modernist' translation of the Zhouyi); and 38's lower trigram Lake becoming Heaven ... which lead me to say what I did.
This line has a silver lining.3 8.3 :' Pulled back ... hampered /obstructed...
PeterG, first, I'm curious whose interpretation / words you're using?This means, ... bad start but a good end result. If you can bear with and endure the extreme initial alienation, you will find a workaround. Hold fast and do not falter.
Where in the hexagram does it say this?That's all well and good, but I was not asking about what the other person said. I'm asking if you have any reaction to my post, no. 5, above, which is my unbiased interpretation? .... And again, you do not have to answer if you don't want to!
But especially when you talk about '5D' it makes me reiterate, that ...
"... yes, the Yi is saying you are losing your mind .... The solution is to try and replace your absurd, but entertaining fantasies with logic and reality, but some people - like sociopaths ... and people whom are extremely paranoid - can not do this."
So again I ask, is there something I'm saying here (and not what anyone else said), that makes you think ... "there is absolutely nothing wrong with me"?
Yes, and depending on my mood or what my 5D intuition is telling me, I'll use either Field or Rutt; my use of the trigrams in interpreting the yi is consistent for both.Field did an excellent modernist interpretation. My favorite in that genre.
"Man branded with his nose cut off" translates to cutting one's nose to spite one's face?Breaking it down in more detail: I based my interpretation on what pizzabec asked: 'am I losing my mind?, along with what they said, including becoming '5D' and, 'began to see things to the point that I freaked people out', 'manipulation into mass psychosis', 'they were building "quarantine camps", .... (and) I made a whole bunch of other predictions'.
I considered the Yi's response 38.3: man branded with his nose cut off ...." (from Stephen Field's excellent translation of the Zhouyi); and 38's lower trigram Lake becoming Heaven ... which along with experiences I've had with other people repeatedly 'voicing' these very same sentiments - lead me to say what I did.
If others offer other interpretations, or pizzabec feels my interpretation is proof of their sanity (or whatever they make of it), then so be it. I too am willing to leave any further detailed diagnosis - be it spiritual, social, medical - to other professionals. After all, not being '5D' myself, I'm not qualified to make such predictions; though it seems some of us here are.
Trojina had a point. It WAS you who got political. @trojina sorry. I was stupid enough not to wear my glasses.Line 38.3: seeing a wagon dragging, its oxen held back, its man branded with his nose cut off ...." (Stephen Field trans.)
So yes, the Yi is saying you are losing your mind and if you continue with your absurd, violent fantasies and hallucinations you will lose it even more. The solution is to try and replace your absurd, but entertaining fantasies with logic and reality, but some people - like sociopaths (ex-presidents) and people whom are extremely paranoid or brainwashed can not do this.
(Waxing political: luckily, here in America we voted in a president and a majority in congress whom are not having the same ridiculous, violent fantasies as you - but it is hard to keep the hateful, make-believe alt-right 'voices' at bay, since these demons have now taken human form, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Sean Hannity; and if you live here, perhaps these are the make-believe voices you are listening to? Just remember, they are not real!)
All the best to you, D.
I do not believe covid is a hoax.Which words do you find awesome ?
But in this instance pizza did ask if she lost her mind though whether that was a rhetorical question, a real question, ie she thinks she's mad, or just a way to reveal her ideas about it all being a political plot I don't know. All I'm saying is if the question is actually asking if she lost her mind then it may not be surprising if she gets opinions about that. I really don't think Yi can confirm that either way for her or anyone else, as you say that would be the job of a psychiatrist.
Yup that was me and it was temper but certainly not political. You are the one making it all about politics rather than a real pandemic. There wasn't name calling for the record, there was anger because Covid deniers are a real threat to the lives of others when they spread this kind of message. And you say these were your personal visions but come on yours is a very commonplace view amongst the crowd who think Covid is a hoax.
Of course you hadn't explained whether you believed Covid itself was a hoax, the deaths a hoax ? If you believe lockdowns were only for political control for some unspecified reason which was the same reason across all nations of the world what precisely is the political reason ? I'm interested to know if you think Covid is real, if you believe in the overflowing hospitals and the burned out medical staff ?
There is no purely 'technical' breakdown of a hexagram, all interpretation comes through people, interpretation is an art not a science, not technical. If you were genuinely asking if you'd lost your mind and you meant that then if anything I'd say 38.3 was a 'yes' as you are assailed in 38.3 and deprived of your faculties, your nose and ears are cut off. That's a great humiliation as well as a loss of use of nose and ears. Actually I don't know enough about how such butchery affected the actual capacity to hear and smell. But one could take it here that the butchery has affected your capacity to think.
But you have to understand those who agree with your ideas about the cause of lockdown and so on will see your answer differently. It's not a realistic expectation to post on a topic like this and expect 'neutral' interpretations, there aren't any.
In 38.3 things work out in the end so maybe you will regain the sensibility you have now lost. And of course this line shows actual attack so maybe you've been assailed by people who have commandeered your mind temporarily. So yes you've lost sense of things but it may not be permanent.
Actually it wasn't me at all who mentioned a president and the far right, it was dfreed in post 5 look back and see, he said
I'm English, I don't say that much about presidents and the far right as others know more about it. So you got that wrong.
Actually I'm a stranger who has spent time answering your posts/threads before. I won't be from now on though. Your expectation of an 'unbiased breakdown' is quite unrealistic, I mean really, think about it. You are denying Covid do you really think that's not in any way an emotive topic. And actually the post wasn't just 'shrieking' I asked you some questions I'd ask anyone spreading this kind of thing around. Questions about the political purpose of lockdown in your eyes for example given lockdowns certainly aren't in the interests of capitalism. I realise you have no answers and removed the post as just too much that's all.
Anyway I'm clearer now on your answer from my POV of course
Yes they are right, you are humiliating yourself.
I never called covid a hoax.
You have politicized actual psychic visions I am having because shriiiieeeeeeeeeek.
The more you post, the more I realize that not only your readings are completely biased and non technical, based on your political vision of the world but that you are insulting as well.
When Covid began, I called it a biological weapon. I foresaw lockdowns. It scared me but not because of the virus itself. I saw all media as propaganda. Left right all of it. I saw through a veil...before all this began, I had an awakening and began to see things to the point that I freaked people out. Then they opened society up and I told people that the lockdown would happen again, and again...virus has nothing to do with it. It is manipulation into mass psychosis..they thought I was crazy.
This is where you are getting really confused. You are the one saying lockdown is a political act not me.You have politicized actual psychic visions I am having because shriiiieeeeeeeeeek.
I understood through a life coach and healer that I just may have some skill in "seeing".
When Covid began, I called it a biological weapon. I foresaw lockdowns. It scared me but not because of the virus itself. I saw all media as propaganda. Left right all of it. I saw through a veil...before all this began, I had an awakening and began to see things to the point that I freaked people out. Then they opened society up and I told people that the lockdown would happen again, and again...virus has nothing to do with it. It is manipulation into mass psychosis..they thought I was crazy. It happened. Then they announced vaccines. Behind the scenes they were building "quarantine camps". Then I said we will not be able to travel freely. This is a precursor into something much bigger. They will segregate the vaxxed with the unvaxxed...etc...I made a whole bunch of other predictions. Including the vaccine passports because i saw it...I saw the landscape. I saw the segregation and discrimination.
The more you post, the more I realize that not only your readings are completely biased and non technical, based on your political vision of the world but that you are insulting as well.
I do not believe covid is a hoax.
I believe that the methods imposed are over-reaching. Then I have visions that tell me stories. If others have the perception that I am losing my mind I dont care. What I care about is if I am actually losing my mind because of what I am seeing.
I have gone to therapy with a healer and life coach. She doesnt think.i am losing my mind but I still question everything.
And I'm still opening to hearing what you have to say about this, after you dig into my response in more detail.I'm asking if you have any reaction to my post, no. 5, above, which is my interpretation? .... And again, you do not have to answer if you don't want to!
You can find more details about my interpretation in Post 13, above. Let me know if you have any questions about it.Where in the hexagram does it say this?
I suppose that works as well, but no, that's not what I'm saying. The line reads: "man branded with his nose cut off" - If I (or you) were that man and I felt this about myself - even if it's not real - I too would feel crazy. Wouldn't you?"Man branded with his nose cut off" translates to cutting one's nose to spite one's face?
Since you are not being political, you can just leave aside the 'political' part of my interpretation if you want to. But I feel 'hoax' is a pretty good four-letter word to describe what you are saying here.It WAS you (me) who got political. @trojina sorry. I was stupid enough not to wear my glasses. AND
I do not believe covid is a hoax.
Well, I guess we have different interpretations. And as far as the '5D thing', that is central to the craziness I'm seeing here. But I may have a different 'interpretation' of 5D than pizzab does. I better check.I don't see crazy. I see awesome .... I will leave the 5D thing for another time maybe, if I ever figure out what the point is.
Thank You for sharing this experience pizzabec. The discussion that arose from it I can't follow (If ? it were meant to be discussed....)All I can say is WOW.
I had to share this because it answered me without answering me but it answered me.
So I will try to explain the context.
Certain events have occured and based on those events, I am able to see a certain landscape ahead and I can see beneath certain superficialities of this reality. To me, it is clear as day.
To others, it is not. They have opposing views in the complete opposite direction. So now, I clearly see my landscape, and I clearly see the others' point of view and even see how they view me while I see the landscape ahead. So their point of view is literally making me question my own sanity. What if I have gone crazy? What if I've gone off the deep end? Are they right? Am i just humiliating myself?
So I asked Yi, am I losing my mind?
I read Hillary's interpretation and I was like whoh:
"Opposing' describes irreducible differences – desires, motivations and especially ways of seeing that diverge from one another. 'Opposing' people see differently even when they're looking at the same scene; they are utterly strange to each other, as if they came from different planets. With an inner state of 'Opposing', you contain mutually contradictory impulses – like two siblings under one roof – or see from two angles at once. You might see things not only for what they are, but also for what they mean, as if they were omens.
In small affairs, this kind of difference of view means good fortune. It's a challenge, a source of comedy, or a creative stimulus. In matters of great personal importance, though, where people's sense of identity is threatened by a different way of seeing, it will stir up survival instincts and trigger conflict. If you can scale matters down to 'small affairs', it becomes much easier to give space to both visions".
The response was so 4D for me..I'm blown away. I had to share this.
Pizzabec, I have my own interpretation of what it means when someone talks about '5D'.And yes I meant 5D.
I just got off zoom with my life coach.Pizzabec awesome.
I originally wrote 'pizzabec's words are awesome' in reference to her earlier posts in this thread.
My general impression is I don't see crazy. I see awesome.
Dfreed asked what translation/ commentary I used :
The text is a close paraphrase of the word by word Ritsema & Karcher. I used the forward slash / to indicate alternative readings from R&K, Tuck Chang (@ iching123.com), Lynn (@ Labirinto Ermetico download in English), and Bradford's word by word volume 2 (@ hermetica.info ).
(all of which I have in book form).
My commentary is based on the line commentaries from Tuck Chang and Lynn.
I was aware of a silver lining to 38.3 since way back.
I went with the R&K take on nose- cut : loss of public face or honour.
(I have other books too. Mainly the old school old reliables Legge and Wilhelm. Alfred Huang. Minford. And a wildcard Takashima).
(I will leave the 5D thing for another time maybe, if I ever figure out what the point is).
She actually interpreted my visions as seeing all the illusions because it is exactly what I asked from the universe. I want to see all of it.
It probably just my morbid curiosity, but I looked through your earlier posts and I just have have to ask:I am looking at events that will happen within the next 6-8 months.
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