Hexagram 62 Unchanging

[kumarsahab]

Hi everyone.

This has to be - by far - the most confusing response I have ever received from the Yi.

The Question was "Should I practice 'Meditation on Twin Hearts'...". That's this Guided Meditation technique developed by the person who developed Pranic Healing.

I am not even talking about the judgement - every interpretation of this Hexagram Name is different (in name, tone and meaning).

Preponderance of the Small, Small Exceeding, Too Little, Small Gains, The Small Get By, Crossing Over in Small Ways are but a few of the names given to this particular Hexagram.

One interpretation says that I should not be attempting too much while another says that there is "great good fortune" involved here if I involve myself in "small things" - whatever that is.

Then there is Hilary's blog post about this Hex http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/gua/hexagrams/hexagram62.php
That's another story all together. Its easy to project my question into this explanation but then - its a projection.

Your experiences please...

 

[Liselle]

It might mean that you might want to practice this technique in "small ways," rather than getting really deeply immersed in it. Or that practicing it will help you in small ways, but it won't remake your entire life or anything.

 

[Liselle]

(Should add that I've never even heard of this technique, much less know anything about it, so what I said is based just on hex 62 in general. Someone else might have better insight, if they are acquainted with your topic itself.)

 

[anemos]

Your experiences please...

In my experience its not the happy-dance hexagram and there is a warning that I usually don't risk to ignore. In the context of your question can't tell what it is . Maybe its a "keep it low" message. What " not sure . Your involvement , your expectations, your investment.

I read in their site :

MEDITATION ON TWIN HEARTS (MTH) is an advanced meditation technique aimed at achieving illumination or universal consciousness. It is also an instrument of world and community service that eventually harmonizes the earth by blessing it with loving-kindness, peace, joy and goodwill.

They aim high. Dunno. I would be a bit careful, given the hex you got.

 

[bradford]

Some author translate 15 as Humility, but gua 62 is much truer to the meaning of humility.

 

[kumarsahab]

Thank you all for your responses.

That still leaves us with three choices as to what this Gua could represent :

1. Be Small (humble, yielding etc.) - I think this is what Bradford means.

This could 'fit' into my reading telling me to go ahead with this. Because that is what this guided meditation is all about - humbleness, forgiveness, surrender etc etc etc.


2. A transition using Small (humble, yielding etc.) means - This is what Hilary's article means.

Once again, this is a clear signal for me to go ahead. To enter a new 'realm' using this "small" means. As opposed to making a transition using force or strength.


3. Don't take on large undertakings

Of course, this could mean not to do it. Especially since I already practice a bunch of other energy modalities - so it could be telling me not to overdo it and everything.


So - in context the context of this reading - I am still as confused as I started...

 

[Liselle]

May I ask you, what are your expectations of it?

I just read a bit from their website (http://meditationontwinhearts.org/index.html), including what Ginnie quoted above.

What do you think of the way they describe the technique and its benefits? How do your own expectations compare to what they're saying?

 

[Liselle]

For example, this page lists all the ways they say people can benefit:

http://meditationontwinhearts.org/benefits.htm

What items from that list are you interested in?

 

[rodaki]

I'm inclined to see 62 as not discouraging you, but rather suggesting you take 'one step at a time' and 'proceed with extreme caution'.

Something that has helped me a lot when receiving unchanging hexagrams is to go thru all their lines to understand better what it is they entail. In 62 there is a meeting with a limit or a subtle, even 'close' encounter, with a state that can be either good or bad, hence you go ahead with your eyes and ears open, harkening to all possible details and signals, the fine print so to speak, so as not to miss what's essential.
This is as far I would go with this one . .


take care and good luck with it!

 

[anemos]

May I ask you, what are your expectations of it?

was going to ask the same

 

[sooo]

I once knew a thoughtful man who while walking along a desert road came upon an exotic tropical bird, standing on the ground. "How strange this is," he thought "that this bird from another part of the world I would see standing on the ground in the desert. Surely this must be an omen!" He went to his home, thereupon asking the Yijing, "what does this omen mean?" He received 62 unchanging. "Ah," he thought, "the bird doesn't fly high but lowers his wings. Surely this is an omen!" He brought this matter to a group of his peers and asked them, what could this omen refer to? The group discussed it and most felt it had great significance; such an odd thing for this exotic tropical bird to be on the ground in the desert. The man decided it was an image of himself, withdrawn from a busy life, once engaged in the affairs of the world, but now living in seclusion. And so the man was satisfied with the grand experience and his interpretation of what it all meant.

Months later, he was conversing with an old woman who lived across the sandy wash where the bird was seen. He recounted this dramatic omen to her, expecting her to be taken by the mystery of it, but instead the woman laughed! Taken back by her response he asked her, "woman, why are you laughing at this omen?" She told him that she has dozens of these birds in her house as pets, and occasionally one gets loose. Sometimes they return, sometimes they never do. It depends whether they expose themselves to prey or learn to adapt by staying low and out of sight. The man too started to laugh, as he walked back to his home, shaking his head. Sometimes things just are just what they are, without a deep or lofty meaning to them. Rarely do they meet ones grand and dramatic expectations.

 

[Trojina]

I remember that man, I remember well the telling of it

I also happen to recall a man who had a nasty bite from a scorpion and was in great pain and when he asked Yi for advice on what to do, whether to seek help or not, he got 62 uc. That changed his view of 62 I can tell you and he had much to say about it.

Do you happen to remember that man Bruce ? Did he get 62uc for that ?

May I dig out the thread ? It's quite an interesting one I think as it was quite serious.

 

[sooo]

Trojina, you must forgive my aging memory, as names escape me like birds from a clanging church steeple.

:bows:

 

[Liselle]

I also happen to recall a man who had a nasty bite from a scorpion and was in great pain and when he asked Yi for advice on what to do, whether to seek help or not, he got 62 uc.

That is the single most horrid thread I have ever read in these forums. Worried much about ongoing health of said person, and instantly scratched place off list of possible vacation spots.

 

[sooo]

Oh, I do recall now though, it was six stings from three scorpions, the six one revealed only the next day as the swelling decreased, as well the third scorpion was revealed, hiding beneath a damp wash cloth. Bark scorpions at that, the kind which are often dramatized as being deadly poisonous. I suppose it was divinity's way of immunization, or else they simply crawled up the blanket, which draped upon the floor. To this day and night, no sheet or blanket since from my bed has ever touched the ground. I preponderate those small things well these days.

 

[Liselle]

I suppose it was divinity's way of immunization

To this day and night, no sheet or blanket since from my bed has ever touched the ground.

Those were not quite the lessons I took from that story...

 

[sooo]

Those were not quite the lessons I took from that story...

Um, don't move to northern Arizona?

No, really, what lessons did you take from the story?

 

[Trojina]

I never knew quite what to take from the story, but I have heard that some link 62 with the transition of the soul. The soul being the small bird carrying it's message with which, being so small against the great sky, it must be exceedingly careful. Bruce presumably needed to be extremely careful.

It's not for nothing the Image in 62 says

'Above the mountain is thunder: Small Exceeding
A noble one in actions exceeds in respect,
In loss exceeds in mourning
In spending exceeds in economy.'

from Hilary's book

In terms of subjective experience our own truth looms large in 61. How we see it or feel it is the truth of it. In 62 our own truth is small against the greater reality but it is precious nonetheless . There is still a message to carry. We might be said to be birds in flight in life. In death the small bird, the soul makes the transition. I presume in losing the personality and the body the soul feels small against the greater reality.

I recently had an experience of death and 62 so that's why I'm thinking of it in terms of transition.

Don't worry Lisa it can't always be death and scorpion bites but in any matter there appears to be the need to special care, special attention to detail, if you look at the words of the Image. I imagine it as carrying a teetering tray full of drinks across a crowded room with a bumpy floor. One must be excessively careful, at least more careful than normal.

However Bruce's other example here lightens up the whole thing. I mean the one where he thought the exotic bird had a portent. Although reflecting on it, even though she had a houseful of those birds, didn't mean the one you saw Bruce , was not a portent . All omens are only being omens for a short while for us.

 

[Trojina]

That is the single most horrid thread I have ever read in these forums. Worried much about ongoing health of said person, and instantly scratched place off list of possible vacation spots.

BTW you do know Sooo is the one who had the scorpion experience don't you...I'm not sure you picked up I was kidding about knowing a man who...

 

[knotxx]

Sometimes things just are just what they are, without a deep or lofty meaning to them. Rarely do they meet ones grand and dramatic expectations.

Well maybe this marks me as a slightly damp, moony sort, but: I dunno if I agree. I don't understand why the guy in this story was disappointed, or shaking his head at himself. Where did he think the bird had come from -- that the universe had somehow materialized an exotic bird out of nothing and set it before him? Didn't he assume the bird had come from somewhere or other?

If I'd been that guy, finding out that the bird belonged to someone who lived nearby would not have changed the omen-feeling of the event at all, if it had one for me to begin with. It's the connection you make with what you see at that moment, it's your conversation with what you're seeing or hearing, that matters to me.

I dunno, maybe I'm not being clear, but this reminds me of people who say "dreams don't mean anything--it's just neurons firing in your brain!" Well: that's how my brain works, by firing neurons. You might as well say "Hamlet was just some neurons firing in Shakespeare's head, it doesn't mean anything." The fact that birds don't materialize out of thin air doesn't make the meeting of you and a particular bird, if it's a meeting that strikes a kind of gong in you, any less resonant.

Well. Just my two moony cents.

 

[knotxx]

ps I can maybe agree about grand and dramatic expectations, though.

 

[Trojina]

Sooo is the man in the story....so luckily he can answer all queries about that man . Lol but you seem to be making the same point that I did

I thought he shook his head at himself because he asked Yi what it was and Yi said 'it's a low flying bird' so Yi was being very literal and Bruce didn't realise that until later. That's how I saw it.

I think it's important to realise answers can be totally literal.

 

[sooo]

I never knew quite what to take from the story, but I have heard that some link 62 with the transition of the soul. The soul being the small bird carrying it's message with which, being so small against the great sky, it must be exceedingly careful. Bruce presumably needed to be extremely careful.

It's not for nothing the Image in 62 says



from Hilary's book

In terms of subjective experience our own truth looms large in 61. How we see it or feel it is the truth of it. In 62 our own truth is small against the greater reality but it is precious nonetheless . There is still a message to carry. We might be said to be birds in flight in life. In death the small bird, the soul makes the transition. I presume in losing the personality and the body the soul feels small against the greater reality.

I recently had an experience of death and 62 so that's why I'm thinking of it in terms of transition.

Don't worry Lisa it can't always be death and scorpion bites but in any matter there appears to be the need to special care, special attention to detail, if you look at the words of the Image. I imagine it as carrying a teetering tray full of drinks across a crowded room with a bumpy floor. One must be excessively careful, at least more careful than normal.

However Bruce's other example here lightens up the whole thing. I mean the one where he thought the exotic bird had a portent. Although reflecting on it, even though she had a houseful of those birds, didn't mean the one you saw Bruce , was not a portent . All omens are only being omens for a short while for us.

Yes, I agree with that. I recall sharing how I felt my arms turning into those of a lobster, and the sense of my being was as becoming one with the scorpion species itself. I recall the conflict, whether to call 911 for emergency help or just take my chances and ride it out, which is what I decided to do, in spite of a palpating heart condition, hands and arms being numb and swollen, and fear of not knowing if I would live or die. I also shared that though the path is small, the mountain which it crosses is anything but small, and that I felt all the smaller by comparison. Preponderance of the small has never meant insignificant to me, and I agree with considering details carefully, which I did. I chose to trust my inner strength, took a couple Benadryl and went back to bed. It wasn't my first Bark Scorpion sting, btw, but it was huge by comparison to my previous two. When I fell asleep, I didn't know if I'd wake again. It's not the only time that's occurred, before or since. I have more confidence in myself than I do in the medical machine, though at one point I had no other choice but to accept the medical intervention. The other times I trusted divine intervention, and was willing to go either way the small path led.

 

[Liselle]

BTW you do know Sooo is the one who had the scorpion experience don't you...I'm not sure you picked up I was kidding about knowing a man who...

Yes, I do know it was Sooo.

Sooo - how are you, in the aftermath of that? I remember you said in the thread that there were lingering effects well after the incident, although by now even more time has passed...am hoping you've made a full recovery? Have you?

With the caveat that obviously (and thankfully) you did survive it - what I think I learned about hex 62 from that thread is this:

In some situations, and against some forces, we are small people, and we need to recognize that and act accordingly. Don't overreach. When faced with great danger, we shouldn't think we're mightier than we are.

"Small things may be done; great things should not be done." (Wilhelm Baynes)

In your case, I think the "great thing" (that should not be done) was trying to ride it out.

I think I read somewhere (unfortunately I can't find where right now) that the "small thing" in hex 62 can be thought of as the "usual thing."

What would be the usual thing for people to do when reacting badly to multiple scorpion stings? Get to the hospital - get there now, do not delay, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

I think you were very VERY lucky. (And if there are any remaining problems from it, the luck is diminished accordingly.)

 

[Trojina]

here is the thread http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?8357-62-and-bad-luck

if you prefer the thread not be linked to tell me and I will delete Bruce.

 

[Liselle]

P.S. That's what I think I learned about hex 62 from your story, in hindsight. I can read what Hilary (for example) says about it, and can understand (barely) why you did what you did ("go just a little bit beyond" your limits, "honour" a transition, etc.). In hindsight, though, I just can't bring myself to agree that's what the hexagram was intending to tell you.

 

[Liselle]

the sense of my being was as becoming one with the scorpion species itself.

Um. See, I guess I think that's exactly the kind of thing hex 62 is warning against. And I think it ties in directly with Kumarsahab's reading.

(But to reiterate - this is in hindsight, after your story.)

 

[anemos]

Rarely do they meet ones grand and dramatic expectations.

ps I can maybe agree about grand and dramatic expectations, though.

Sometimes its about not that grand or dramatic but just expectations nevertheless.

I'm reliving the moment I got 62 and all those feelings are so vivid that it make sit not easy to talk. I saw it coming when i was talking earlier in this thread about expectation but sooo's comment stoked me.

62 felt like the trick when you sit in a chair someone put their finger on you forehead and you can't get up. I had that brilliant idea to ask a " new year" reading. I recall saying out-loud " that's a wrong answer you just gave me Yi !!! ". I had put the numbers ( months) down and I thought by the end of the year I would be healthy and free and in a place I was longing to be. Things didn't go like that and it was more the expectations couldn't be materialized rather the difficult situation delays and other problems. The feeling you want to get up from that chair and the finger holding you and saying " where do you think you are going ??? "

62, as I understanding from that old reading , requires 10000% presence to the current situation and expectations by definition brings you to another time-space. You feel like an eagle, to borrow Hilary's analogy, and want to conquer the skys but Yi says "its not the time".

you mention death, and that time I toss I still hadn't escape the threat of sudden death. A complication put me in a position that medication couldn't give any I promise could escape. Docs were just hoping it will pass. Not sure if 62 was referring to that but i was certainly "absent" from that situation .. i was even joking . Had no other way to cope it so I don't think Yi suggesting at this specific moment to "live" it.. not very sure tho. 62 has to do also with surviving , imo, that's why I think the reading was about the coming events and the overall situation and not for that specific issue.

 

[anemos]

oh , i don't dissagree with 62 and death -transition because I had a 62 for such a case too.

 

[sooo]

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In some situations, and against some forces, we are small people, and we need to recognize that and act accordingly. Don't overreach. When faced with great danger, we shouldn't think we're mightier than we are.

"Small things may be done; great things should not be done." (Wilhelm Baynes)

In your case, I think the "great thing" (that should not be done) was trying to ride it out.

Well that was the $50,000 question: What is the great thing? Calling 911 would mean red lights, possibly sirens, a big tadoo, possibly much adoo about nothing, and with no insurance, a minimum of a $500 fee to pay. That was a big thing to me! Remember, I'd had two of these stings before. The first time I drove up to an emergency clinic, and after sitting there fore 15 minutes, feeling similar effects as from a yellow-jacket sting, I said skrew this and left. I'd also been stung by a swarm of yellow jackets some 12-15 times too prior to that, and other than not being able to sit for a day or so (ahem, won't go into details on that ), I survived just fine. In fact I went right back out onto the lake and fished until sunset. It was not clear what was the big or small thing to do at all, which is why I asked Yi repeatedly, and continued receiving various combinations with 62. Brad also suggested the point you made, but I'd survived a lot before and since, and I'm still alive and full of piss and vinegar. My past experience with medical services involving my wife's health care was less than confidence building. So it became more a question of who and what to trust. I wasn't trying to be heroic, I just followed my beliefs, and I have no regrets for the action I chose. I wound up going with doing the small thing as not making a big deal over it, taking an over the counter allergy/bee sting medicine, which relaxed me, eased the discomfort and slept for four hours or so. I felt quite a bit better after that.

Prior to this, I'd discussed with friends and neighbors the severity of bark scorpion stings and their feed back was, some pain and discomfort but no big deal. The media blows everything so out of proportion concerning these things. I've sat and listened to documentaries on TV about the "deadly sting of the bark scorpion" since then and thought, what a bunch of hyperbole nonsense and sensationalism. Now a brown recluse or Mohave Green rattlesnake bite, and I wouldn't hesitate for a heartbeat to get my hiney to the ER. But I think scorpion stings, even the venomous bark scorpion, is like a bee sting: if you're allergic to them, you can have a serious reaction, such as if my throat began swelling up and had trouble breathing, that would set off the alarm, but the effects were nearly entirely local, at the points of the stings. I did call the hospital and had a discussion with the on duty nurse, and she just asked me, saying, well you know how you feel. Do you want us to send an ambulance down there? I paused and said, no thank you. No biggie. And just laid low. Big mountain, small pass. To me that said, no need to draw attention to yourself. In two days, aside from the red bumps appearing more clearly after the swelling went down, revealing exactly the number and location of the stings, and some itchiness, it was business as usual. It was an interesting experience with h62, with no firm conclusions, but with a lot to ponder.

The incident with the exotic bird was similar in that regard. True, there was a logical explanation, but that didn't mean it had no other significance to me personally. I too was, and still am, a low flying bird, happy to fly under the radar.