How to phrase a question about COVID

[IrfanK]

PS How about we move this post to Open Space? I never look in there anyway. If it's in this thread, people may think it actually has something to do with divination.

 

[legume]

the opposing reaction to other than "correct" or "regulated" mainstream narrative doesn't baffle me anymore but rather worry. as to who might believe this (well, since it's a matter of facts, rather than belief at this point I suggest learning about how generations of young people are being trained to think for the media rather than for themselves: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42243170 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42242630 while google, facebook and youtube censorship is on the rise), among other individuals, also doctors and nurses do believe the governmental measures are either inadequate or unproportional: https://docs4opendebate.be/en/open-letter/

health services are currently working under brand new pandemic guidelines that in many ways contradict hippocratic oath, or simply their individual professional conscience.

as to why it's americacentric - the "fake news" term gained popularity around trump elections (a fact, according to google trends), after which director of niaid gave speech at georgetown university, first bragging about holding his position for the last 32 years and then blatantly stating there will be a "surprise" outbreak during the next administration (also a fact, the video's still there for everyone to watch).

the link between corruption and propaganda has been greatly explored in chomsky's "manufacturing consent" and word propaganda has been mostly replaced by public relations since. i recommend adam curtis' documentaries on the topic "the century of self" and other ones that expose russian tactics of government indirectly sponsoring both antifa and neonazi groups and then letting people know about it so that nobody knows anymore what's real or not (just as curtis is doing in the west by revealing these tactics through bbc and other mainstream media programming).

corruption is not unknown to people and neither are crimes against humanity but who would want to believe anything like this? i certainly don't. yet i would question what i am told, since it's obvious to me people are being turned against each other and that is possibly the most effective psychological warfare we know.

edit: what i personally disagree most with is the manner in which any opposing ideas are being nowadays, consciously or not, aggressively surpressed and i see more danger in doing so, than in free questioning of any given information.

 

[Trojina]

It was on the main BBC news today, a man whose relationship with his mother is crashing because she spends her time gathering followers online saying Covid is a conspiracy.

BBC World Service - Trending, Help! My mum is a conspiracy influencer

What would you do if one day your mum became a conspiracy theory influencer?

www.bbc.co.uk

There's advice from 'experts' at 15 mins on how to cope with family members who start believing in conspiracy theories, it's important to try to nip it in the bud. The advice is fairly moderate but this guy no longer has a relationship with his mother, he thinks saving lives matter more and he's right.


I think it's admirable he has gone public to say this and he was so torn between family loyalty and public health. His mother has been called 'the most dangerous woman in Britain' she has 30,000 followers on youtube and is conducting rallies in London. The psychologist says she's driven by a sense of intellectual superiority, that she sees what others can't. She's been sacked as a nurse. Personally I think her youtube channel should be taken down and she should get off the streets. It's just terrible given how hard getting through this pandemic is that people like this still have a platform.

 

[IrfanK]

Yikes! I have to admit, I just had a most unsavory visual image of my mother in front of her computer, pouring out drivel to 30,000 followers. It would be difficult. Luckily she has enough trouble working out how to hit the "reply" button on an email program. And anyway, she'd be much more likely to be talking about her vegetable patch or her tea parties to welcome Afghan refugees into her village (there are only about three or four, which makes the catering arrangements easy).

I think I'd just pull the plug of the computer out of the socket. Last time she accidentally did that herself, she spent a month complaining that for some mysterious reason, the computer wouldn't turn on.

 

[IrfanK]

It was on the main BBC news today, a man whose relationship with his mother is crashing because she spends her time gathering followers online saying Covid is a conspiracy.

Strange. I never quite get how Covid can be a complete hoax AND that it's caused by 5G waves and/or Bill Gates. It seems like you'd have to choose one or the other. But some people seem to be quite capable of believing both simultaneously.

 

[Trojina]

Yes that's a central inconsistency.

 

[hilary]

Yikes! I have to admit, I just had a most unsavory visual image of my mother in front of her computer, pouring out drivel to 30,000 followers. It would be difficult. Luckily she has enough trouble working out how to hit the "reply" button on an email program. And anyway, she'd be much more likely to be talking about her vegetable patch or her tea parties to welcome Afghan refugees into her village (there are only about three or four, which makes the catering arrangements easy).

I think I'd just pull the plug of the computer out of the socket. Last time she accidentally did that herself, she spent a month complaining that for some mysterious reason, the computer wouldn't turn on.

Your Mum sounds wonderful.