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Are we 'persons' or are we just 'energies'. If we are 'persons' then the drama is valid. If we are not persons, then all these questions and stories of our lives... are all pure phantasy.....?
If we are not 'persons' but simply 'energies' and therefore 'free will' by definition is meaningless, then because we are only 'apparent' 'persons', then all experience is just that: 'experience', and only 'real' in terms of our feeling ourselves to be 'persons', i.e. in relationship between us and any thing else, including feelings and thoughts.
If we are not 'persons' then of course the question ' what kind of ---' becomes meaningless.
And the question: 'How can a person rise above..etc', also becomes meaningless because 'intention' is merely an 'idea', as are 'goals', and both the process of overcoming and the achievement at the end of that is also illusory.
If we are not ' persons', but merely a bundle of energies doing its thing, then whatever we do or don't do, doesn't matter.
yes, I think there is a World of difference.
Ultimately the world and every 'thing' in it is 'maya', and to recognise or 'see' that is to be Unconditional Love.
This reminds me of a fascinating flick I viewed a couple of nights ago, called "Frequencies". Based on the (still) sci-fi idea that we each are naturally tuned to a frequency varying from very high to very low, and that compatibility was simply a matter of matching frequencies. It led to a dramatic potential relationship between a woman of very high frequency and a young man (or boy at the early part of the story), and how he manged to raise his frequency, something that at the time was considered impossible, and had the means to lower her frequencies, which though may seem undesirable would allow her Spock-like mind to lower to a feeling level, and particularly feeling love for this young man. His curiosity and experiences led to to the idea that we as machines are part of a mechanized universe in which free will, in reality, does not exist, that what we perceive as free will is just part of our mechanized function that we play in the greater universal scheme. That led to the idea that one can change the frequency through a code or words that have no meaning in the normal sense, but that unintentionally could be used to literally control all of mankind. It was also found that the antidote for all this was music, and especially that of Mozart, which was the last time period when someone stumbled upon this entire frequency notion, as though Mozart himself wrote his pieces to neutralize this potential mind control and thereby prevent controlling the human world. Brilliant story and casting, but a bit of a brain strain to follow the viable logic. Anyway, these two discussions or story seem to share much in common. The final line and question asked to one another, does it matter? And they strolled off happily arm in arm. I actually considered posting about this movie in Open Space to see if any others are familiar with it. It's a British made movie.
While I do not consider Taoism and I Ching to be synonymous, neither do I find a great difference between Taoism, Buddhism and Nietzsche, as they each seem to favor a naturalist approach to humanity, the idea of mental construct as a lessor idea of reality, and moving beyond to art as a means of living a truer, more natural life.
I still find the ideas of predetermined destiny and free will unresolved, and I am led to ask myself the same question: does it matter? Either way, it's a fascinating journey.
Even unconditional love can merely be a state, such as a mother likely feels for her newborn for sake of the survival of our species.
Well, I didn't say unconditional love is just another state; I said it "can merely be a state". I don't claim to know one way or the other. There are many ideas which seem beautiful; unconditional love being perhaps the most ideal, but that doesn't mean it is not a state, a condition - a condition of perceiving love as being unconditional. I see it as an idea, a possibility, or a construct, along with the rest of samsara (sangsāra). As such it would not be ultimate reality, only a result or variation within a state of ignorance, a product of ego, attachment to the wheel of birth and death - which is itself a state, as is this very notion of it being a state.
so we, humans can be just a passer-ons (conductors) of energies...But those energies are manifested in
the human realm...so we have all that comes with it...anger, violence, frustration, love, compassion, good and bad, bad and good - and BASIC rules of human conduct that come with it- laid out by our ancestors (Bible, Quran and other)...
Taoism and Hinduistic teachings are very deep, deeper than morality altogether. It's a next level of understanding, which nevertheless
we still try to grasp in our current bodies, being humans in this world...
... then I do not see how ultimately there is any moral dimension....* How can we claim any moral judgement of 'right' or 'wrong' when actually there is no one there who has written the rules.....? WE can make them up according to our preferences, but that is a social necessity not an absolute.
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How about of Dancing?
I must allow it to be what it is, without any interference from me, or projections. That means seeing it as I see it, as I experience it right now without any thought of its intended purpose or any other overlays.
and the symbol of Jesus on the cross and all his talk of love and all that, is expressive of the same point, the same message. 'What I am is me; for that I came" (Hopkins).
Are we 'persons' or are we just 'energies'. If we are 'persons' then the drama is valid. If we are not persons, then all these questions and stories of our lives... are all pure phantasy.....?
Clarity,
Office 17622,
PO Box 6945,
London.
W1A 6US
United Kingdom
Phone/ Voicemail:
+44 (0)20 3287 3053 (UK)
+1 (561) 459-4758 (US).