Hx 2

[parasio]

@rosada

"I see 2 as indicating the need to be somewhere more Responsive to your inner feelings"

This is the problem!

"If you have been living on a Saturn line, you are probably feeling as though it's very hard to get any responce to your ideas or feelings at all where you are"

This is exactly the situation. There is ANY feedback/response to me.

Just living in the country I would prefer to live in the city.
The landscape is really lovely and I would like to stay here only for its beauty, if there were not this stagnacy and the above mentioned NO-response /NO-feedback.

It is very difficult for me. One part is in love with the sea and the mountains around me, the other part is suffering this vacuum.

Thanks for your ideas

Angelika

 

[peace]

Here's an interpretation from RL Wing:

In its unchanging form, Receptive (Natural Response) demands a more refined receptivity to your environment in general.
Growth and change will be checked by subjective opinions. Open up your mind, expand your character to embrace the world. Then you will find guidance along the right path.

Angelika - You said...

So I asked:

Where can I find a satisfied life?

Hx 2 without changing lines.

Would it mean to be only receptive, without undertaking anything?

But this would be really difficult to me, I'm just waiting for so long for a change and I can't bear any longer this situation?
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It seems to me that length of time has nothing to do with it. To me it reads...be receptive actively. It's not about sitting around and waiting. It's taking in what's around you. Pay more attention and follow the right path.
Most people can sense when they are on the right path. By your continuing sense of dissatisfaction, it doesn't seem you are there yet.

Hope this helps.
Rosalie

 

[rosada]

Goodness, this discussion about hexagram 2 is giving me a MUCH clearer understanding - almost as if the hexagram itself is Responding to our attention.
My thoughts so far...the physical world, the material world, responds magnetically to our energy, and we to it's. If we are focused happy thoughts, we will energetically magnetically attract happy experiences. If we are feeling low however, we can be so low that we are manipulated by not just the people, but even by the lower conciousness of things - as in when you go to the mall to cheer yourself up and end up buying a bunch of crap you didn't need. So anyway, there's this interplay of action and response between us and the outer world and as we engage, put out intentions, choose what to respond to, then we recognize our own energy more ("That hat had MY name on it!") and develope our conciousness and feel more alive. However, to get that Responce going we have to recognize it, recognize that the oatmeal you're eating for breakfast is the manefestation of your prayer last night. Living on a Saturn line may mean that one's experiences in this location are that the world seems very slow to respond to our intentions, so slow that you don'teven see the connection. But of course we know that it is still there, the problem is that if one gives up the search and becomes depressed, the world's Responsemirrors this state of mind too and thus a downward cycle.
When I was in New Orleans I was living on a Moon line. The Moon is of course the planet of Responsiveness. I look back now and recognize this may be why I got such quick Response to my intentions. For example, when we first arrived my street had a lot of litter. As I was new and carried within me a stronger image of how a street ought to look I couldn't ignor the debre and immediately set about picking it up. Strangely, miraculously, divine timingly, that weekend trucks came and cleaned up the real eyesore in the neighborhood, an empty lot on the corner filled with old shopping carts and rusted car parts. Now I see the whole area was Responsive to my intention - which I would say was perticularly powerful because it was aligned with Beauty.
I think the key lessons in this experience - why I was effective - were first of all, I had a strong clear image within of what I wanted (a clean neighborhood), I was new to the area and so had no belief that it couldn't be done, my vision was in harmony with Higher Vision (Beauty, and also no judgement about why others hadn't cleaned the street before) I was alao clear I would not live with anything less, and finally - perhaps most important - I took action, even though it was very small.
Back to what this might mean for you, Angelica. I think the I Ching is telling us that the world is plastic to our thoughts, that one theoretically should be able to live a satisfied life anywhere on Earth, because what we have within will be stronger than what is without. However, because you are on a Saturn line you may find this principal works more slowly and that you have to really align yourself with Saturnian principles. For example, as you consider what you would like to have in your life you may find you can acquire things more easily through organized processes. Say you are wishing you had more friends, Saturn would encourage you to join a group that meets at a regular place at a regular time. Or because Saturn rules age you may find activies that interest you involve people who are of a significant age differance - so you may find being involved with seniors or young people part of the manefestation.
As it seems like you've gotten a pretty powerful response from the IChing about your initial question you might follow up and ask more on the same topic. "What should I focus on today to have more satisfaction in my life?" might be a good place to start. Or, "What is my experience here?" (You may find the IChing can put your frustrations into words better for you so you really understand the problem, or it may tell you how to look at your current situation in a way that causes you to feel good about it.)
You might also check out your astrocartography map (astrodienst.com, "travel") and see where on the planet you have your Venus or Jupiter or Moon lines. Then, even if you can't move to one of these places, put up some pictures of that local. You may find you bring the joy of that local into your current one.

Hexagram 2 is a fascinating one. I hope you'll keep us posted!

 

[heylise]

Rosada, LOVE your post!

LiSe

 

[parasio]

Dear Rosada,

I appreciate very much your suggestions and I'm still thinking about it.
My mental processing is not very fast ;-)

I know this relation between inner and outer world. This makes me worry about the situation: I'm considering that my situation here could be the mirror of my worsest fears and traumata. But I'm not totally sure about it and so I'm afraid to waste my time in an useless struggle which costs me a lot of energy.

I've consulted www.astrodienst.com to understand the lines: surprisingly here is the line of the Moon Nod. For I know only the basics of astrology I can't interpret this line.

Also there are arouse some doubts about the Saturian line. You write:

"ay you are wishing you had more friends, Saturn would encourage you to join a group that meets at a regular place at a regular time. Or because Saturn rules age you may find activies that interest you involve people who are of a significant age differance - so you may find being involved with seniors or young people part of the manefestation."

The opposite happened to me: I was visiting all this groups because searching friends and political activities. I was happy to have all this possibilities, but everything split away. The groups dissolved, its was impossible to establish friendships or continous work. I was yearning to work with others, but the groups and/or interests were not stable.

Maybe I'm wrong about this Saturian line

, know you a source to verify this global lines?

During the visit to www.astrodienst.com I looked for my long-term influences:

Pluto Conjunction Med. Coeli
Jupiter Sextile Saturn
Neptune Opposition Neptune

With love

Angelika

 

[parasio]

Dear Rosada,

I appreciate very much your suggestions and I'm still thinking about it.
My mental processing is not very fast ;-)

I know this relation between inner and outer world. This makes me worry about the situation: I'm considering that my situation here could be the mirror of my worsest fears and traumata. But I'm not totally sure about it and so I'm afraid to waste my time in an useless struggle which costs me a lot of energy.

I've consulted www.astrodienst.com to understand the lines: surprisingly here is the line of the Moon Nod. For I know only the basics of astrology I can't interpret this line.

Also there are arouse some doubts about the Saturian line. You write:

"ay you are wishing you had more friends, Saturn would encourage you to join a group that meets at a regular place at a regular time. Or because Saturn rules age you may find activies that interest you involve people who are of a significant age differance - so you may find being involved with seniors or young people part of the manefestation."

The opposite happened to me: I was visiting all this groups because searching friends and political activities. I was happy to have all this possibilities, but everything split away. The groups dissolved, its was impossible to establish friendships or continous work. I was yearning to work with others, but the groups and/or interests were not stable.

Maybe I'm wrong about this Saturian line

, know you a source to verify this global lines?

During the visit to www.astrodienst.com I looked for my long-term influences:

Pluto Conjunction Med. Coeli
Jupiter Sextile Saturn
Neptune Opposition Neptune

With love

Angelika

 

[rosada]

Hi Angelika,
Yeah, Saturn can be a pretty isolating influence. I grew up on a Saturn line and this last month I was back there for a visit. The whole trip was about helping my sister with that great Saturnian bugaboo, Taxes. Maybe hexagram 2 was telling you that just about anywhere else on the planet would be more Responsive than where you are right now!
Med. Coeli is the 4th house cusp, right? Fourth house discribes your homebase so maybe when Pluto conjuncts this point exactly you will "transform" your homebase -i.e. move. Jupiter sextiling your Saturn should also expand your influence.
Meanwhile is there some subject that interests you that requires a daily ritual? Like learning to play an instrument or yoga? Saturn would support such an activity.

Good luck !
Rosada

 

[parasio]

@rosada

Monday I restarted with my "Greeting the sun" (how the X it's called in English?) I feel just better.

Thank you for your advices

Hug

Angelika

 

[void]

Rosada, Idium Coeli (sp) is the home base, 4th house cusp. Med.Coeli is the 10th house cusp so Pluto is crossing the area of the chart that concerns reputation, status, career, positionin the world etc inevitably though this has impact on 4th house issues, home base etc. Pluto crossing 10th house cusp might mean really transforming your role in the world. BTW can also indicate issues around changes in relationship to parents and place of origin. These changes are deep and gradual.

 

[rosada]

Thank you, Void!
Are the words Idium and Id connected? Like both meaning inner child?
Just tripping,
R

 

[void]

No I think they might be Latin ? Medium Coeli = midheaven. I'm not sure about my spelling of the IC because its always referred to as the IC on charts etc, all I know is as oppposite to midheaven the Idium Coeli as the cusp of the 4th is the innermost private self/roots/heritage - as opposed to 10th house outer persona/reputation/career path. As you know this axis refers to the parents but its not agreed whether 4th is mother or father. I guess logically should be mother with Cancer ruling the 4th house but in practise sometimes its the father - well I suppose a father can be as much a mother figure as a woman and vice - versa.. and the mother could have the more fatherly influence, er if that makes sense.

I hope you didn't think I was bossily correcting you, its just my Virgo Ascendent coming out and being picky

Pluto passing over the Midheaven quite a powerful transit isn't it. When its done apparently the person would find themselves in an altogether different role or status in life. Not suprising Parisio should feel an urge to move - might be worth considering the impact of the parents on life choices so far also since this aspects would probably impact on relations with parents or parental figures.

 

[rosada]

Pick away, Virgo Ascendent, I suspect I'm not the only one learning from your corrections!

 

[parasio]

@void

I like your suggestion about the impact of the parents.

Because I struggeled always with my parents about my education. I wanted always to learn more: High school, then university. But my parents wanted me to a job as a clerk or secretary. They didn't accepted my desire to learn and to study. I've done it nevertheless, but with less sucess, for I was always struggling with this inherent parent voices. A long time I suffered depressions. Sometimes I notice that this old imprints are still alive. Its awfull!!

 

[void]

Parasio the effects of this transit are like a very powerful subterranean current washing away the outmoded in your life and psyche. ( Not always comfortable, for you come face to face with urges and feelings you may have held back for a long time )

It is said to be a period where you can 'remould' your outer role in the world to the way you want it to be and ditch other peoples conceptions of who you are, especially parents.