Interpreting H44.5 > H50

[tigerintheboat]

Magical Event

Hi All
I agree that there is a very lucky if you will like element to this line like a blessing from the sky. Then everything is at your feet ...quite possibly a majical event to this part of your life that is bothering you like you find your solution
Steve

Yes, this is a very lucky line and presages a transformation, which is a magical event. H44 says you can't tackle this force directly, and this line shows the way out...like being an ugly duckling, and miserable over it, and then a transformation makes you realize you are a swan, and everything changes.

Tiger

 

[tigerintheboat]

Specialization is for insects

Maybe Tiger already knows what he wishes for instead, what he wishes to create. For example, I know that he is in business, but my secret belief is that Tiger is actually an artist. Maybe he wishes to make something of his photography or another art form?

Ginnie, I liked this post of yours very much. But I have been overweight since I was a child, and the causes are mostly in the past. I don't think they are relevant to changing the problem today.

As for my aspirations, I am a closet artist, a businessman, a photographer, and an aspiring piano player. But I want to do almost everything I can, if only to perfect it and abandon it. I subscribe to Robert A. Heinlein's view of what makes up a man.

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

Tiger

 

[tigerintheboat]

Catalyst

do you think so ? I'm not at all sure about that, hasn't been my experience anyway. A ripe fruit might fall easily but it also spoils easily., decays quickly. I think what falls easily in 44.5 can turn out to be something one is only interested in for a short period of time., not something of lasting value. The lasting value is in 50.5 not in 44.5 IMO

Right, 50.5 is something stable and lasting. But 44.5 is a thing of great beauty that causes a transformation. A catalyst in Chemistry causes a transformation, and often gets used up in the process.

The interest in the catalyst itself may not last but the change may be permanent.

Tiger

 

[Trojina]

Right, 50.5 is something stable and lasting. But 44.5 is a thing of great beauty that causes a transformation. A catalyst in Chemistry causes a transformation, and often gets used up in the process.

The interest in the catalyst itself may not last but the change may be permanent.

Tiger

Yes.

I wonder if the 'thing of great beauty' is in all translations, don't quite understand the meaning of 'beauty' here. Maybe its something that feels ike a real blessing., but i do think its something that gets 'used up' in the 50 cooking pot/process as you say

 

[ginnie]

Beauty of intrinsic design

I wonder if the 'thing of great beauty' is in all translations, don't quite understand the meaning of 'beauty' here. Maybe its something that feels like a real blessing., but i do think its something that gets 'used up' in the 50 cooking pot/process as you say

The Concordance put out by the Eranos Foundation says:
Comments: Nine at fifth: containing composition
The center correct indeed.

Where the word composition ZHANG means a well-composed whole and its structure; beautiful creation; elegant, clear, brilliant; chapter, strophe; distinct from pattern, WEN, beauty of intrinsic design.

:bows::bows::bows:

 

[ginnie]

Whole Body Experiences Can Do A Body Good

I think what falls easily in 44.5 can turn out to be something one is only interested in for a short period of time., not something of lasting value.

yet an occasional chance encounter can do a body good.

The institution of marriage limits us to only one sexual/physical partner. That puts rather a cramp in our human nature, and a lot of flab about our waists, especially as the years of Holy Matrimony roll on by, does it not?

In a translation I have called the G-Yi Matrix, it says of #44 in general: 'Timely, chance encounter is very crucial at present!' [Yes, the exclamation mark was in the original!]

Hands-on healers, Reiki masters, massage therapists, shiatsu practitioners, Chinese acupuncturists, foot reflexologists -- such practitioners provide whole body experiences that can be very satisfying, perhaps removing the desire to overeat. Also, how can we diviners not be wondering if there is not a Lady lurking somewhere, concealed by Tiger's discrete silence . . .

Anyway, some woman I knew once said the reason we gain weight is (1) not enough exercise; (2) not enough sex or physical contact; and (3) not enough spiritual connectedness. If any of the three are missing, we tend to overeat.

Years ago I had a business client. Once when we were in the same room together for about five hours, my body became so hot that several old warts actually melded right off my body! I am not kidding! This is a true story! I asked Yi about this at that time and got #44.5 > 50.

So, I said out loud, "Oh, no, you don't. I'm a married woman." I terminated the business relationship, you see -- and took to eating chocolate instead. (Chocolate doesn't get rid of warts, though.)

 

[Trojina]

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Years ago I had a business client. Once when we were in the same room together for about five hours, my body became so hot that several old warts actually melded right off my body! I am not kidding! This is a true story! I asked Yi about this at that time and got #44.5 > 50.

So, I said out loud, "Oh, no, you don't. I'm a married woman." I terminated the business relationship, you see -- and took to eating chocolate instead. (Chocolate doesn't get rid of warts, though.)

Is this really true ? Really ? if it is thats phenomenal...do you still have his number ? if you're not kidding that says alot about 44.5 lol..and alot about 44...we've never had 44 as the wart, the parasite cleaving to us...and in 44.5 off it drops. You know i can see 44 very much in terms of parasite mentality, something using you...theres the creative side too no doubt, like Knot once said he got 44 about jump starting a car...but 44 and warts hmmmm

your warts fell off ? how seductive

 

[ginnie]

your warts fell off ? how seductive

Yes, it's a true story. Thank you.
Ginnie

 

[ginnie]

I want to do almost everything I can, if only to perfect it and abandon it. I subscribe to Robert A. Heinlein's view of what makes up a man.

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

Tiger

But not all in one weekend! (Could cause a sports injury!)

Getting H50 as the relating hex, I am wondering what the H50 represents in your case.

Sometimes the relating hex is clearly the cause, rather than a potential result, of the primary hexagram.

I have a couple of times gotten H50 to signify a computer. That's why I mention being a slave to the computer, a sedentary lifestyle, as perhaps a primary reason for being overweight?

 

[ginnie]

Not Willing to Sacrifice Anymore

But I have been overweight since I was a child, and the causes are mostly in the past. I don't think they are relevant to changing the problem today.Tiger

I don't believe in past causes anymore. If you were overweight as a child and are still overweight as an adult, then the causes are still here, in the present.

I think we were all raised that life means to sacrifice. Maybe we cannot get out of the larger sacrifices, because those were understood to be iron-clad agreements. But by the time we are in our fifties and sixties, we undergo a change and are no longer willing to sacrifice -- our treats.

I myself was a chubby child. I think this was because the home environment was really strict and controlled. It never once occurred to me to take pleasure in the flow of life itself, because that was too tightly regulated. But a wonderful golden corn muffin from the deli -- or riding my bike to go buy a Carvel sundae -- need I say more?

Looked at another way:
There is something in this refusal to sacrifice that is enormously healthy and life affirming.

 

[Trojina]

I don't believe in past causes anymore. If you were overweight as a child and are still overweight as an adult, then the causes are still here, in the present.

I think we were all raised that life means to sacrifice. Maybe we cannot get out of the larger sacrifices, because those were understood to be iron-clad agreements. But by the time we are in our fifties and sixties, we undergo a change and are no longer willing to sacrifice -- our treats.

I myself was a chubby child. I think this was because the home environment was really strict and controlled. It never once occurred to me to take pleasure in the flow of life itself, because that was too tightly regulated. But a wonderful golden corn muffin from the deli -- or riding my bike to go buy a Carvel sundae -- need I say more?

Looked at another way:
There is something in this refusal to sacrifice that is enormously healthy and life affirming.

Hmm but to question your idea of sacrifice here...I've found as most people do that if you change your diet to eat mostly natural whole foods you actually spontaneously change your idea of what a treat is. I mean if you reduce refined manufactured sugar in your diet (ie all the rubbish in junk food, cakes, biscuits etc) then fruit starts to taste very sweet to you especially bananas, cherries things like that..., and a huge great cream cake doesn't seem quite so appealing as it once did. Mind you there are times when nothing other than a large slice of chocolate cake will do...but by and large i think if we eat what is healthy we sacrifice nothing..because it tastes good ! The real sacrifice is when we sacrifice our health through eating rubbish.

I'm not saying Tiger eats rubbish...just wondering about your idea of sacrifice here...and going pretty off topic i guess

 

[ginnie]

A Dark Frame of Mind

The real sacrifice is when we sacrifice our health through eating rubbish.

I'm not saying Tiger eats rubbish...just wondering about your idea of sacrifice here...and going pretty off topic i guess

I'm not saying Tiger eats food that's not good for him, either.

I was in Weight Watchers many years ago. They used to weigh us before each meeting. If the scales said I had lost 1.7 lbs., then I was happy. If the scales said I had re-gained 1.8 lbs., then I was just so miserable. The scales went up and down from week to week.

I was in Weight Watchers for one year and lost exactly 7 lbs. overall. Hearing this, I was so discouraged. I thought I was a failure, that writing down everything I ate and all the rest of it, the endless watching of portion sizes, the sacrifice of time and money, had been a huge waste, so I dropped out and never went back.

I just learned a few weeks ago that the average weight loss per year in Weight Watchers and in all the other best plans is 7 lbs. a year.

I was really startled to read this, because one gets the impression in going to the meetings that much more weight loss is expected and that other people are, indeed, losing much more weight. Now that I think about it, that may be because nobody raises his or her hand and reports, "I just gained back 6 of the 7 lbs I lost last month."

So I'm saying -- there is so much negativity, misinformation, and bad feedback around food issues that the darkness of #44 might be referring to a negative thought pattern, a dark frame of mind, that has grown up around the issue of weight, not the weight itself.

 

[tigerintheboat]

Internet on the Go

Is there a supplement that reduces the need for sitting in front of a computer?
Maybe the computer is the temptation, not the food. After all, Tiger said he fasts regularly.

The Internet is more enthralling than food. One sits, only to discover one day that one has lost one's health.

I don't fast regularly, I fast when I must, to regain my sanity.

Each time, I have to fight my inclination to go on eating...I have tried to do regular fasting, and I am very bad at being regular at virtually everything. My talents are all based on inclination and desire, and I have trouble being systematic about mundane things.

About the wonderful Internet, I have just entered the world of mobile devices, and in the past few weeks have begun using "phones" that access the internet fluently. You can now go out for a walk to shake off your computer lethargy, stop in at a Starbucks and check your email and the latest posts on the Forum.

No excuse for not exercising...you can have your Internet with you and your exercise too!

Tiger

 

[tigerintheboat]

Stop Blaming Computers

Getting H50 as the relating hex, I am wondering what the H50 represents in your case. Sometimes the relating hex is clearly the cause, rather than a potential result, of the primary hexagram.

I have a couple of times gotten H50 to signify a computer. That's why I mention being a slave to the computer, a sedentary lifestyle, as perhaps a primary reason for being overweight?

Near Constant Encounters with the Internet

We do sit more than previous generations, and no doubt the human machine was designed to move. A lifetime of movement will erase many sins of nutrition, IMHO.

And it seems fashionable now to blame the computer for our tendency towards leisure, just as it was once fashionable to blame television and before that modern conveniences such as washing machines!

But certainly in the case of the computer and the Internet, we have gained something literally fantastic! For me, what is gained is precious and had made the impossible possible. I have been a computer user since the late 1960s (impossible, I know, but true), and I was never so blown away as the first time I saw the Internet. And now, I have that power in a mobile device....awesome!

A Chance Encounter Leading to Spiritual Development

Today's thought: I believe the H50 here refers to a spiritual vessel, so that instead of my usual orientation towards finding the exact right foods or the exact right supplements, I am seeing the chance encounter as some sort of connection that enhances my spiritual life. I have a hard time seeing H50 as just a healthy body, at the right weight and without all the big killer diseases. Such a body would be empty without something in the spiritual dimension.

I am also thinking about the whole "magic melon" thing, and that the melon itself is temporary or a catalyst or is used up, just as a real melon would be after you ate it. Trojan's comments on this help to quicken my thinking, just as a catalyst should.

An example of such a melon would be therapy. The right kind of therapy, applied at the right moment, would act as a tranformative agent for a purpose. When you were done, you would not need the therapy any more. It would have done its job and could be abandoned.

A Chance Encounter with a Woman

Ginnie said: "Also, how can we diviners not be wondering if there is not a Lady lurking somewhere, concealed by Tiger's discrete silence . . . "

Ginnie, you devil you! Such naughty posts, and so relevant that they can't be ignored. I loved the story about the warts!

First of all, if such a woman was here and providing the magic melon catalyst, you wouldn't see many posts from me. I would be too busy.

But I honor your efforts to explore the "literal" meaning of the hexagram, and I especially like the thought you provided below, which I nominate for Best Thought About Human Life so far in 2010, as follows:

"The reason we gain weight is (1) not enough exercise; (2) not enough sex or physical contact; and (3) not enough spiritual connectedness. If any of the three are missing, we tend to overeat."

I am working on (1), can not publicly discuss (2) and gave my thoughts about (3) earlier in this post.

Tiger