Is it really the job or him?

[rosada]

Hi Trojan,
My comment, "He who laughs, lasts" was in responce to the earlier post, "He who laughs last, laughs loudest." That earlier quote is kinda mean spirited, and I was using the second quip to make the point that if folks could just have a light hearted attitude, we could all have a long happy life.

 

[Trojina]

Thankyou Jesed I understand, and agree :bows:

Rosada I can't agree that always being lighthearted, never taking anything seriously always leads to a happier life. To be fair to you I doubt thats exactly what you meant. I know you are a true peace maker and dislike confrontation.

But whats 'lighthearted' about telling someone there are no major life changes ahead (when you really haven't a clue)as she has done only today. Whats so lighthearted about telling people to leave jobs, stay or leave relationships, when you in truth don't know. I was serious in my objections to Willowfoxs fake predictions and still am. For me it did not feel the right action to sit by and say nothing.

 

[willowfox]

To trojan,

show me where it says in her rambling post that she is due in the very near future for a major life change, you can't can you?

Chill out because I think that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Perhaps we are all laughing at you.

 

[luz]

Well, Rosada's quote says being lighthearted will make you live longer, not be happier.

Hmmmm.. I gues I want to clarify that I am serious too about disapproving of what willowfox does here in the forum. I think she makes things up and I think she thinks it's okay. She makes a lot of assumptions, I think she probably uses some common sense, some psychology, perhaps some fortune telling techniques. I am perhaps making assumptions myself here.. but oh well.. Anyway, in my opinion, she should stick to I Ching interpretation which is what people are asking for around here.

So, I earlier said I was having some fun and not laughing at her. The reason for that is that I made a couple of jokes about her and I wanted it to be clear that I'm joking and not really trying to ridicule her.
So.. just for the record.. perhaps guilty of laughing too much.. but I am serious about most of what I express around here.

 

[luz]

Willowfox,

you ask trojan to say where she sees major life changes coming for M? But where exactly do you see them not coming!?!?

Besides, did she or anybody predict major life changes in that thread??? Only cautious advice was given, as far as I can see. But maybe it's not possible to reason with you anymore.

 

[willowfox]

Hi cherry,

I didn't see your last post, the 6.30am one and I posted just after. Calm down, I have never been afraid of anything (well except maybe trojan and lightangel), I honestly did mislay my notes but now I have found them.
Well, what I did was ask the following question (because I really had a need to know):
Can Cherry get another job near her home this year? the answer given was hex 62.3,4>2

hex 62.3 says at certain times one must be very cautious. There are dangers for the person who does not take precautions. Pay special attention to the little details. Someone who does not like you could prove to be very troublesome, be very careful.
hex 62.4 says caution, you may face strong opposition to the project that you are working on but persevere.. Karcher says this, no error in the situation, you meet what you need. Take a look at the recent past, and let it be a warning to you. Do not repeat the same mistakes.
hex 2 says to follow but don't lead then the outcome will be most successful.the direction that is best to look is to the south or west of your home.

hex 62 is the 12th month of the Chinese clendar which this year would make it January 2007. The final hex is 2 which is 10th month which is November in the western calendar. So November is the month.

 

[willowfox]

To lightangel,

I am trying to be of some to others and all your sqawking which you are aiming at me serves no real purpose, does it?

 

[luz]

That squawking you hear doesn't come from me, listen to yourself more closely...

 

[autumn]

That's great, but it wasn't her question. She expressed certainty that she could "get a job" that would pay the bills closer to home, but doubted her ability to find a job that equally matched her training closer to home. As a former Horary reader, you must know it is essential to phrase questions for others exactly the way you want them to be answered, because especially when asking for others, the Oracle responds to the actual question. Not what you meant.

Concurring Expert: Dr. Z, The Zodiac Master.
http://www.thezodiac.com/starmart/horary.htm

"Clairfying Your Question... Don't be lazy and/or haphazard when wording your question!

What that means is that you need to be very specific and wordsmith your question very carefully. Like all Oracles, the Horary Oracle can be more than a wee bit playful, vague, and naughty in that it will only answer the specific question that is asked."

 

[willowfox]

To lightangel,

Brilliant. Very well done indeed. I give you high marks for finding that picture.

 

[willowfox]

To autumn,

if by chance you are refering to the job close to home question, then it was done using the I Ching not by using horary. I think that the question; "Can Cherry get another job near her home this year?", is very clear and precise, don't you think so? Thank you

 

[autumn]

No. If you had understood what I just said, you'd see it is not the question. She doesn't care about that. She cares if she can find an equally suited job.

 

[willowfox]

To autumn,

the answer using the I Ching says she can't, she would have to make a sacrifice to avert a problem but happiness will come later.

 

[autumn]

How can you possibly surmise that the answer to your question, which you phrased in quotes, "Can Cherry get another job near her home this year?", addresses whether the job inquired of is just any job, or a job of equal quality?

I thought I'd try to answer that myself by looking at the hexagram notes you'd misplaced in the trash. 62.3.4. (2). I believe I'd probably interpret that answer as telling me if I looked for a job closer to home, I'd take a negative reference with me, (line 3) and would further run into obstacles receiving an interview (line 4). Relating hexagram 2 may mean a positive outcome in the long run, but I've also experienced 2 to mean waiting, with nothing happening.

But you still have to interpret it in light of the question you asked, which was not the correct question.

 

[cherrypicka]

Hang on a minute, Willowfox...why the original *mysterious* answer on page 2 in the first place, when you said;

"Hi..it is kind of hard of to explain how I arrived at this conclusion but I think that if you start looking now you can indeed find another dream job closer to your home this year"

....when you had actually just thrown the I Ching as you told Autumn earlier;

"To autumn,

if by chance you are refering to the job close to home question, then it was done using the I Ching not by using horary. I think that the question; "Can Cherry get another job near her home this year?", is very clear and precise, don't you think so? Thank you"

This is an I Ching forum, isn't it?

 

[autumn]

I guess you probably got the 'avert disaster' idea from the first phrase of Wilhelm. Let's read the text. If we had gone to Ewald's site and drawn an answer, we would read the following from traditional text, and would try to understand it as a direct response to the question, "Can I get a job near home in the next year?" I took the following text from Bradford Hatcher, rather than Wilhelm, to expound on the concept, "Preponderance of the Small".

Hex. 62,
Smallness in Excess
Fulfillment, Worthwhile to Persist
Appropriate for minor concerns
Not suited to great concerns
The flying bird bequeaths this message:
If not adapted to heights, adapt to remaining below
Much Promise

From the judgement of the primary hexagram I would agree with Willowfox that it is likely to find "any" job close to home, but not one equal to the dream job.

Line 3, Transitional Hex. 16 (Setting Armies Marching; Enthusiasm; Commitment)
If one is not extremely careful, (Of what one plans to do; See the actual question of the oracle and relate the answer to that; You cannot make random associations between this warning and outside issues). Somebody may come up from behind and strike him. Misfortune.At certain times extraordinary caution is absolutely necessary. But it is just in such life situations that we find upright and strong personalities who, conscious of being in the right, disdain to hold themselves on guard, because they consider it petty. Instead, they go their way proud and unconcerned. But this self-confidence deludes them. There are dangers lurking for which they are unprepared. Yet such danger is not unavoidable; one can escape it if he understands that the time demands that he pay especial attention to small and insignificant things.

Who was the Oracle addressing here? Willowfox or Willowfoxe's question about Cherry? Assuming it is referring to Cherry, this all relates to the question asked, which was leaving one job and looking for another.

Line 4, Transitional Hex 15 (Balance)

No blame. He meets him without passing by.
Going brings danger. One must be on guard.
Do not act. Be constantly persevering.

Hardness of character (the resolved decision to leave the job) is tempered by yielding position (seeking anything appropriate) so that no mistakes are made. The situation here calls for extreme caution; one must make no attempt of one's own initiative to reach the desired end. And if one were to go on, endeavoring to force his way to the goal, he would be endangered. Therefore one must be on guard and not act but continue inwardly to persevere. (keep looking)

Waiting for a while, then comes success in terms of the question asked, will she get a job. Hexagram 2. Through the experience of "will she get a job", she meets with misfortune at the hands of another (line 3) and suffers a loss of status as the result of imprudent decisions (line 4). Most importantly, the lines warn of the consequences of the actions being considered, they have nothing to do with directing her to make a sacrifice to avoid misfortune.

 

[willowfox]

Hi autumn,

yes, alot of what you have written I do agree with but somethings I don't. For starters, the question that I asked was the question that I wanted an answer for nothing more and nothing less, it was my question, not Cherry's. It was the correct question because it was mine. And again, we seem to have different ideas on how to interpret the answer given. When I asked the question, it was a matter of when more than if. Perhaps I should have asked the question this way; When will Cherry get a new job closer to home this year?
Again your interpretation of hex 2 is different, I have always experienced hex 2 as a positive in such a question as I asked. As it is the final hex the lines have nothing to do with the answer, so why are you mentioning the lines of hex 2? What I really wanted from my question was a date, and that is what I received, November 2006.

 

[autumn]

the question that I asked was the question that I wanted an answer for nothing more and nothing less, it was my question, not Cherry's. It was the correct question because it was mine. And again, we seem to have different ideas on how to interpret the answer given. When I asked the question, it was a matter of when more than if. Perhaps I should have asked the question this way; When will Cherry get a new job closer to home this year?

Right. We don't agree on that. It's been my experience it's quite important how the question is asked.

your interpretation of hex 2 is different, I have always experienced hex 2 as a positive in such a question as I asked.

Yes, I said that. The answer is yes, she gets a job.

As it is the final hex the lines have nothing to do with the answer, so why are you mentioning the lines of hex 2? What I really wanted from my question was a date, and that is what I received, November 2006.

I'm not. They're the lines of 62.

The issues here with this intepretation have not been so much about disagreements over interpretations. I wouldn't bother to say anything if that's all it was, because there are others with more substantial opinions on matters of technical interpretation. It's more a matter of concern over having integrity. If you are being sincere, then good, continue to offer sincere advice, but just take the advice of 62 and don't exceed your own limitations.

 

[willowfox]

Hi autumn,

Misunderstood there, I thought you were refering to hex 2, nevermind.

I don't see that the answer hex 62.3,4 refers to me in anyway, it appears that Cherry has a nasty enemy hiding behind her back and that she must be very cautious. I don't think hex 62 is placing any limitations on me, it is a few people on this forum who are placing limitations on me and the way I go about my job.

 

[willowfox]

Hi cherry,

when I asked the question about the job, I did not want to go through all the hassle of arguing with the others about the moral issues of asking a question about another person who has no personal connection to me. A while back I put a question on the site concerning another person , a non personal question, and I was immediately attacked by some members here. That is why I said that it was kind of hard to explain how I got the answer.

 

[autumn]

Right, well, that wasn't necesssarily meant to be taken literally. We can all take the advice of 62 and attend to what's directly before us with integrity.

I am up late with lots of work and worries. Goodnight.

 

[willowfox]

Hi cherry,

I think that you have misunderstood what is going on. I asked the question about the job many days ago, page 2, but never told anyone how it was done. Yesterday, I decided to reveal all, I certainly did not throw the coins yesterday. I was discussing with autumn how the question should have been, could have been asked, we were refering to the past. Not yesterday.

 

[autumn]

Has anyone ever read the book, Otherwise Known as Sheila the Great, by Judy Blume?

 

[Trojina]

No whats it about ? I guess I'll google it, sounds interesting. ( If thats a link it doesn't work for me.)

 

[autumn]

Ahh- too bad. I thought I'd find someone who'd read all of the Judy Blume books when they were little. It's a children's book. It's about a 10-year-old girl who is very ambitous, but she keeps running into obstacles in her life because she can't ever admit that she's wrong, or admit that she doesn't have all of the answers, or admit that she's afraid of anything, or admit that she's ever vulnerable. But she's 10, so it's cute.

 

[jesed]

Hi Cherrypicka

Just in case this could be useful

Bruce had made me realize that the way I express myself in this thread could be misunderstanding, due to my lack of clarity.

I would like to express my point of view, hoping this could help you (and as a way to cut the debate and re-center in you). Maybe there would be not necesary to say it, but of course this is just a point of view. You are the one that can see if any of this "rings" with empirical facts in your life (only you know that)


1.- The way you untitle you thread pointed to a question of priority (is really the job or him?); willowfox said that you must resign you job to chose you husband.

2.- In my first comment I suggested you to do a dialogue, to clarify the most important to chose....because you presented the questions as priority "husband or job"

3.- In my second comment my point was that there wasn't really a question of priority "husband or job" but to examinate separate the question of relationship and the question of job

4.- After you did the dialogue, I definetely disagree with willowfox about resign job to chose husband. I see 2 separate things: marriage problems that can be solved (4>52) and an ascending job that can be dimisih but not quited (19>41)
That clarify the comment of willowfox (as a missleaded comment)...is not about resign job to chose husband... is to solve marriage troubles in one hand, and solw down a little bit the commitment with the job on the other hand. But as 2 separate things.

This is congruent with the initial answer that suggest reinforce the solidarity ties to release the tension (8>40). Since the relationship trouble was in the realtionship and not in you job, I understand that 8 advices about reinforce the solidarity ties with your husband to release the tension in your marriage.

In any case, my best wishes for you

 

[willowfox]

Hi cherry,

it is now time for you to decide what to do. You have asked the right questions and you have been given answers. Stay, go, resign, look elsewhere,? You must decide, who you think is right and who is giving you, incorrect advice. But at the end of the day, that is all it is I suppose, just advice. Nothing happens unless you make it happen.
I have been attacked on this forum for giving you a very direct interpretation of the hexs that you received as answers, and also, for having the audacity, to ask a non personal question about you and making a prediction, "that you would indeed find another job closer to home in the next 2-3 months". But, I added a note, that it was for you to do the leg work. The prediction will certainly not come to pass unless you take action, with some help of course.
If I made a prediction that you will indeed win some money on the lottery, nothing will happen if you don't buy a ticket.