Is it really the job or him?

[martin]

Hi martin,
We will have to agree to disagree. I always knew I had a sunny personality?

Agree to disagree, okay!
I will leave for a sunny (!) destination in a few hours. I hope that internet works there and that I can access this forum, now and then.
See you later, maybe.

 

[willowfox]

Where are you off to Greece, Turkey?

 

[autumn]

To heylise,
Wilhelm wrote a book which millions of people read and use when answering hexagrams, I certainly believe what he has to say about hex 32, or do you have a better and different interpretation of hex 32?

Uh.....

As a matter of fact, she does, though I doubt she would use the word "better". Here it is:

http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/hex_17-32/hex_e_32.htm

 

[Trojina]

Lol

 

[bruce_g]

We really need a laughing emote. Chucklin here at Autumn's last post.

Hey, Martin. Have fun, return to us safely.

 

[martin]

Where are you off to Greece, Turkey?

Turkey (Marmaris). I hope they don't bomb me.

 

[martin]

Thank you, Bruce!

 

[willowfox]

Hi martin,

"where are you going Greece or Turkey?"

horary astrology does work folks.

 

[martin]

Ah, nice! Didn't know you got that from horary astrology. Any info on bombs?

 

[willowfox]

No bombs, only sunburn.

 

[martin]

 

[martin]

Anyway, I have nine lives. Not sure how many of them I used already, though.

 

[bruce_g]

From Bradford's 32.2:

32.2 The power to continue (is) in the middle

If these regrets are all that is left of events that you think should have made better memories, is it anywhere near second best to possess them? If such regrets do not endure then why should they be clung to? Does not the long road ahead suggest in some small way moving on? Regret is just a signpost. You would not stay stopped where a sign says to stop. You pause and process the thing and go forward. What you learn from regret might continue and allow you to rebuild your life with what might not pass. This will continue when you do. Duration is not about staying the same, just the staying the course if it fits your true nature. To win some and lose some is life. To succeed and make errors is life. To dwell instead on things which need leaving behind is not living. Living is discontinued until the reliving is done.

 

[bruce_g]

Anyway, I have nine lives. Not sure how many of them I used already, though.

I just checked. You have 5 left. Use them wisely!

 

[luz]

Horary Astrology? You went through all that trouble? Martin talked about his destination recently in this forum, so in this case there were better ways to "obtain knowledge", WF..

Sadly, this is as loud as we can laugh in this forum:

But do try Lise's website if you have never been there, WF... perhaps you will also be "greatly enlightened"!

 

[bruce_g]

To Cherry, assuming she hasn’t become more confused and moved on.

The bottom here as far as I’m concerned is, live your life according to your decisions. No-one, and I do mean no-one, should make them for you, nor does anyone have the right to. The most beautiful gift we have in this life is the gift of choices.

 

[autumn]

Who cares what all those scholars of Ancient China think. When you got it, you got it.

* SNAP *

 

[willowfox]

To lightangel,

oh well, those who laugh last laugh longest.

 

[willowfox]

To autumn,

it is quite clear that some of the people who post on this site are so obviously not scholars of ancient China, the I Ching or anything else. When you ain't got it, it is very sad, don't you think?

 

[jesed]

Hi Lise

According to Wilhelm, or to his teacher Lao, 32 is about marriage. But it is NOT mentioned in the Yi itself. So it is purely their own interpretation

As I told to Ewald once... I understand Yijing = Zhouyi+Ten Wings

If this is correct, marriage is mentioned for 32 in the Yijing (Hsu Kua -9 Wing):

"From the existence of male and female there came afterwards husband and wife. From husband and wife there came father and son. From father and son there came ruler and minister. From ruler and minister there came high and low. When high and low had existence, afterwards came the arrangements of propriety and righteousness.
The rule for the relation of husband and wife is that it should be long-enduring. Hence Hsien is followed by Hăng. Hăng denotes long enduring"

Best wishes

 

[heylise]

Yes, Jesed, you are right, but what i meant is the Zhou Yi, the original Yi without any comments.

And of course I don't say 32 is 'not' about marriage. It is, but among many other things. It has good advice for ALL things which need endurance.

LiSe

 

[ewald]

As I told to Ewald once... I understand Yijing = Zhouyi+Ten Wings

I actually don't remember you telling that to me personally. But since you just did:

Historically, you are right. The Yijing was by Confucianism declared to consist of the Zhouyi and the 10 Wings.

But meanings of words change. I see no problem to call a text that is based on the Zhouyi + a commentary a Yijing. What else would you call it? Zhouyi? Is that clear to the public? No, it is not. Yijing describes it just well.

The authors of the 10 Wings were quite different people than those that composed the Zhouyi. They had quite different views and had much larger superegos. I personally for instance don't find the Image always so appropriate to the Zhouyi hexagram text. So why would there be a need to include the Image in a Yijing?

 

[bruce_g]

Jesed, what does it mean when an unmarried person receives 32?

 

[jesed]

Hi Bruce

I had already talk about not to take literally the metaphoras. I quoted Wang Pi

"If the rule demands a strong action, what need is to say that Ch'ien is the horse?.
If due to the fact of which the horse is associated by Ch'ien, one follows only the text of the words when study the hexagramas, what one had is a horse, but not Ch'ien."

For me, the point is not the person is married or not.. is the issue of the question. The consultant requieres endurance in that issue (legally marriage or not)


Hi Lise
Yes...my point was... marriage for 32 is not a personal interpretation from Wilhelm.

Best wishes

 

[Trojina]

Just imagine that you make a small mistake, and it turns out in a different way. Will you be there to offer a shoulder to cry on? Or maybe a place of shelter if it is really disastrous? No, you are far away, they don't even know your name.

LiSe

Willowfux you never did answer this point above that if you make a mistake, (which in my view is pretty highly likley) you are not there to pick up the pieces. Fortunately most who come here are sensible enough not to blindly follow advice but there have been times when its clear a querant is pretty fragile emotionally and they just might do what
someone tells them to, especially if its what they want to hear.


Seems to me you don't much care.

 

[luz]

WF:
I didn't meant to sound like I was laughing at you, I was just having a little fun and I thought Autumn's post was very funny
And the advice I give you is good advice. Lise's is a great site. :bows:
And, fwiw, I appreciate it that you are a good sport and can roll with the punches, well, at least most of the time..

 

[bruce_g]

All religions do pretty much the same job, they warn people not to take the wrong path, not to make stupid and unnecessary mistakes which will only cause them pain and suffering. But, like I said before, it was entirely upto the person whether they took the advice given or merrily went there own way.

Has Clarity become a church?
Has Wilhelm become our Gospel?
The 64 commandments?

Dear Jesus, tell me it ain’t so!

 

[Trojina]

BTW I guess 32 applies to gay marriage in your view Willow and Jesed ? Just wondered what you know with all the talk of husband and wife ?

 

[willowfox]

Hi heylise,

You wrote;
I searched through hex. 32 and cannot find anything at all about marriage. In one line man and woman are mentioned, but nothing there either about marriage.

You wrote;
And of course I don't say 32 is 'not' about marriage. It is, but among many other things. It has good advice for ALL things which need endurance.

 

[willowfox]

To trojan,

I suppose it could?