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I like the answer but find ithard to put into words. Its like already here (63) is always here (24) the physicality aspect of it you asked about I'm not sure of. 63.5 makes me think it is not necessary for him to incarnate at this time...its already been done. Whatever the incarnation bought is already in the world (63) and also at the source (24) and whatever issues the incarnation bought are still being worked out (63.3)I used to be really involved in christianity; the last few years i have kind of forgotten about it and with the chaos and stress of everything i've gone through, I pushed it aside.
But today, was sitting here looking at old bookmarks re:hebrew texts and did kind of a flippant on the fly reading about it, not really expecting any kind of serious answer...
I thought I'd get the fool hexagram..lol
is jesus physically coming back soon?
Your reading resulted in the following hexagrams:
63 changing to 24
Hexagram 63, Already Across
What is decided?
‘Already across, creating small success.
Constancy bears fruit.
Beginnings, good fortune – endings, chaos.’
You have committed yourself and made a transition. Even if the change so far is internal, a resolve formed or decision made, there is a sense in which everything is in place. Now you create success in small ways and in small things: you attend to details, working with what you’ve already decided or achieved. In following through, you stay loyal to your original reasons for making the crossing.
The Zhou forded the river and overthrew the Shang dynasty. As they established their rule, they had in mind how the Shang once received the Mandate of Heaven to replace a corrupt dynasty. Now the Shang had forfeited the Mandate and were ending in chaos, while the Zhou enjoyed fortunate beginnings. Might the story repeat itself? It’s easier to create new, clear-cut patterns for living than to live by them.
It’s not that what you have begun here must inevitably fall apart. Only if you feel as if you’ve ‘arrived’ already and let yourself come to a halt, then you lose your path and then it all falls apart. Work with what you’ve accomplished so far, and keep your momentum: keep on beginning.
‘Stream dwells above fire: Already Across.
A noble one reflects on distress and prepares to defend against it.’
Already Across follows from Hexagram 62, Small Exceeding:
‘Going past others naturally means crossing the river, and so Already Across follows.’
Already Across is paired and contrasted with Hexagram 64, Not Yet Across
‘Already Across: calm and settled.’
‘Not Yet Across: exhaustion of the male.’
‘The high ancestor attacks the Demon Country.
Three years go round, and he overcomes it.
Don’t use small people.’
‘The neighbour in the East slaughters oxen.
Not like the Western neighbour’s summer offering,
Truly accepting their blessing.’
Hexagram 24, Returning
What is just beginning to germinate?
How can you follow your sense of direction more closely?
Where might the path lead now?
‘Returning, creating success.
Going out, coming in, without anxiety.
Partners come, not a mistake.
Turning around and returning on your path.
The seventh day comes, you return.
Fruitful to have a direction to go.’
Your journey leads you out and home again, through the turning points on your way. Vigour and authenticity return in the still moments of those turning points; life regenerates from the roots, and light returns.
By walking constantly to and from your source, you participate in a two-way flow of creation You go out and rediscover your own way; you return through an open door to your home and relationships. This is a living motion, like breathing, that revitalizes and restores. Relaxed and spacious, it allows time for the path’s natural meanderings, never creating resistance.
Since you are in motion, helpers of all kinds come – travelling companions who walk alongside you for a while. (If someone is meant to be with you, you will never need to leave your path to chase after them.) Just as any road can be travelled in two directions, your path also leads both out and back again, and so – in the fullness of time and following a natural progression – there comes a moment to turn round.
Through all this going and coming and starting afresh, it is good to have an overarching direction and purpose to guide you. The quality of Returning is alive, growing and dynamic – a good time to rediscover your own deepest intent and its harmony with the Dao.
‘Thunder dwelling in the centre of the earth: Returning.
The ancient kings closed the borders at winter solstice.
Itinerant merchants did not travel,
The prince did not tour the regions.’
Returning follows from Hexagram 23, Stripping Away:
‘Things cannot be completely used up. Stripping Away comes to an end on the outside, and there is turnaround on the inside, and so Returning follows.’
I found the changing lines interesting..
especially the high ancestor attacking demon country
and the other changing line, the neighbour from the east slaughtering oxen, reminded me of this...
" Who is this who comes from Edom, from the city of Bozrah(to the east of israel), with his clothing stained red? Who is this in royal robes, marching in his great strength?"
interesting...whatchu all think?
I agree to an extent but think for a moment. why would Yi take this question less seriously than "what does he think of my email ?" or "what does he think of me ?" (the most popular questions from females here)This is definitely one of the most unusual questions I've seen on this forum. And I don't know how accurate and serious Yi's answer could be, with a question not related to someone's own life and personal experience. It's a big question and, for some people, maybe even a funny one. If every christian on Earth asked the same question, the results would probably be different, because none of us has access to the whole truth, whatever that may be. The answers could also reflect personal beliefs.
So, while I'm no expert in I Ching, rather a beginner, I couldn't help asking the same question. As I expected, Yi's answer to me was different: hexagram 53.3.5 changing to 23. The two moving lines refer to the birth of a child, which is not unusual given that we are talking about a physical comeback. But is this THE ANSWER? I'm not even a practicant christian, I have my doubts, so why should I be given...the secret?
Is the question so different to what is being discussed here ? http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?p=167409#post167409Santa will be coming back in December, and the Easter Bunny in the Spring.
You may need to be satisfied with that.
Agree with the above. Well put.Recently there was a few questions about the american election....all taken very seriously. All the time I thought of this same point . Why would an answer by one individual mean anything at all for anyone except that person. I just wonder why its all accepted for political questions (and in general politics for me is the greatest fantasy of all, this naive belief a man at the top can make it all okay and then shock when he doesn't ).
I'm just noticing the incongruity of it. That this is seen as a weird question but asking about Obama's impact etc etc isn't
Interesting. I think of it more as heaven's ability to divine us, and to give humanity divinity.Is Jesus physically coming back soon?
63.3.5 > 24
I understand Jesus to be our ability to humanize the universe. If we take "the Devil's Country" as the present condition of the earth and suppose that Jesus is now active, "three years" suggests a long delay, so no time soon.
Thanks, Meng. I was thinking of Satan as the god of this world from 2 Corinthians 4:4But I like the association you've made with Devil's Country. I regard that respectfully in terms of credible mythology, in both cultures; possibly all cultures.
Yes, I've considered that as a possible meaning and reference to the verse, "and men do not see it". I've also considered the possibility that he may have been referring to the subatomic world of quantum mechanics. So rather than an admonition, a science lesson, but one that he knew they could not yet understand.Thanks, Meng. I was thinking of Satan as the god of this world from 2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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