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Ta Chuan, or Da Chuan, is beautiful but not YiJing.
Ta Chuan IS
I'm not saying that we must use the wings (in fact, this site rarely use them and it's ok; they are not needed here).
Ta Chuan IS Yi Jing.
YiJing = ZhouYi + 10 wings including the Ta Chuan
Of course, you can work only with Zhou Yi and put aside the wings. But the wings are part of Yi Jing.
For better or for worse -especially if you have strong feelings against confucionism- it was the Yi Jing the one which was influential enough to become a source of Chinese culture, not the Zhou Yi alone. By the time when there was only the Zhou Yi with no wings, it was merely an elitist collection of ritual omens.
I'm not saying that we must use the wings (in fact, this site rarely use them and it's ok; they are not needed here). But let's get this straight, the wings are Yi Jing
Could you elaborate this a bit more ?
thanks
Ta Chuan IS Yi Jing.
YiJing = ZhouYi + 10 wings including the Ta Chuan
All I'm saying is that you can do great without knowing that such thing as the Wings even exist. I'm not a Confucionist or "pro-Wings" preacher [although I've been already accused of being arrogant and rigid because I made a joke about the Yijing textually saying that 55 means a lot of worries. I understood that if most of people here didnt get my joke was because many people here haven't read the Wings]
But to say that Ta Chuan is not Yi Jing is not accurate
I made a joke about the Yijing textually saying that 55 means a lot of worries.
the reason I asked had nothing to do with the quoted.
I know not much about the wings and to be honest i though they are included in my whilhelms translation bag ( commentaries etc) so I was looking for more info.
if you have the time , it would be nice to tell us more. or give us examples. I really want to understand .
Yes, I agree....still listening...and...and....
I agreed with your comment based on the change lines, not even considering the Wings.
Not sure if this is what you were looking for.
When it comes to understand the text, I've found helpful the Xiang Zhuan, the Tsa Kua and the Tuan Zhuan in that order; but not so much the Hsu Kua.
Studying the Shuo Kua is great to develop a more poetic & free-style understanding of the answers. With all those associations, your mind is full of thoughts to apply the answer to your real facts.
Yes, you're right, Da Zhuan (or Ta Chuan) is Yi Jing. But I understood from the question that it was about Yi itself. Should have said "not Zhou Yi". That would have been correct.Ta Chuan IS Yi Jing.
YiJing = ZhouYi + 10 wings including the Ta Chuan
Of course, you can work only with Zhou Yi and put aside the wings. But the wings are part of Yi Jing.
For better or for worse -especially if you have strong feelings against confucionism- it was the Yi Jing the one which was influential enough to become a source of Chinese culture, not the Zhou Yi alone. By the time when there was only the Zhou Yi with no wings, it was merely an elitist collection of ritual omens.
I'm not saying that we must use the wings (in fact, this site rarely use them and it's ok; they are not needed here). But let's get this straight, the wings are Yi Jing
But I understood from the question that it was about Yi itself. Should have said "not Zhou Yi". That would have been correct.
I really love the Xiang Zhuan, and especially the Da Xiang part: about the trigrams and how the Junzi behaves according to them. It must have been written by someone with a very wise mind and a great insight in the hexagrams and trigrams.
Fully agreed. A departed friend used to say: whenever you ask abot how to behave or how to achieve a goal, put the emphasis on the Image. That advice has worked for me just fine.
Is this the same as saying perception is reality?
Clarity,
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